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Posted 4/17/10

DomFortress wrote:

So all this time the teaching of Islamic faith is a complete lack of compassion and judgment in the name of God?! HOLY ISLAMIC BATMAN!


Yes, god is the one who can judge people's act as wrong or right entirely. There's no muslims can judge it this is wrong or right without based on holy book. If you act according to it, you're following the right things. That's the basic law.
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Maybe one should go on to familiarise oneself with rules of argumentation that may aid one in debates and save one from looking like a fool.

I have never claimed that suicide bombing, or in the case of Catholicism, paedophilia describe all adherents. You are making a fool of yourself trying to refute a claim I have never argued. Suicide bombers are Muslim the same way that Catholic paedo priests are Catholic, and no holy scripture or teachings will change it.


I know about it and that's no match at all, since it never ordered its people to do honor killing. It works, when you discriminates it acts and comparing it with others. However, since the basic ground is already denied it, it doesn't work. So if majority of atheist believed in evolution, does that meant all athiest believe in evolution? Apparently, there are numbers of atheist who doesn't believe in evolution as well. So it varies on person, we can generalize it as we wanted, but that'd be wrong generalization.
Posted 4/17/10

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DomFortress wrote:

So all this time the teaching of Islamic faith is a complete lack of compassion and judgment in the name of God?! HOLY ISLAMIC BATMAN!


Yes, god is the one who can judge people's act as wrong or right entirely. There's no muslims can judge it this is wrong or right without based on holy book. If you act according to it, you're following the right things. That's the basic law.
Then can you cite the exact passage in the Islamic holy book where's written that for you to name yourself "Ryutai-Desk" is indeed the right thing for you to do?
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DerfelCadarn wrote:

Maybe one should go on to familiarise oneself with rules of argumentation that may aid one in debates and save one from looking like a fool.

I have never claimed that suicide bombing, or in the case of Catholicism, paedophilia describe all adherents. You are making a fool of yourself trying to refute a claim I have never argued. Suicide bombers are Muslim the same way that Catholic paedo priests are Catholic, and no holy scripture or teachings will change it.


I know about it and that's no match at all, since it never ordered its people to do honor killing. It works, when you discriminates it acts and comparing it with others. However, since the basic ground is already denied it, it doesn't work. So if majority of atheist believed in evolution, does that meant all athiest believe in evolution? Apparently, there are numbers of atheist who doesn't believe in evolution as well. So it varies on person, we can generalize it as we wanted, but that'd be wrong generalization.


I have never bloody claimed that ALL, I repeat ALL adherents can be described as being engaged in whatever it is that the minority is doing. I am not arguing that point and never have. Stop trying to shape my argument for me.

If Catholic paedo priest rape kids then that doesn't mean that all Catholics are child molesters, but the priests are Catholic nevertheless whether Catholicism as a whole approves of child abuse or not. That is my argument and if you continue to talk past me, pretend my argument is different, launch red herrings and strawmen, then you will prove how much of an incompetent fool you are, so I would suggest, for your own good, to concentrate on the arguments I submit, not the ones you wish I would submit.
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I have never bloody claimed that ALL, I repeat ALL adherents can be described as being engaged in whatever it is that the minority is doing. I am not arguing that point and never have. Stop trying to shape my argument for me.

If Catholic paedo priest rape kids then that doesn't mean that all Catholics are child molesters, but the priests are Catholic nevertheless whether Catholicism as a whole approves of child abuse or not. That is my argument and if you continue to talk past me, pretend my argument is different, launch red herrings and strawmen, then you will prove how much of an incompetent fool you are, so I would suggest, for your own good, to concentrate on the arguments I submit, not the ones you wish I would submit.


I was talking on the topic when muslims are not meant to do such thing and how people can meet their soul purification regardless their belief. I'm not sure if pointing someone's post as no true scotsman were considered as argument without talking on the topic at all.
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DerfelCadarn wrote:

I have never bloody claimed that ALL, I repeat ALL adherents can be described as being engaged in whatever it is that the minority is doing. I am not arguing that point and never have. Stop trying to shape my argument for me.

If Catholic paedo priest rape kids then that doesn't mean that all Catholics are child molesters, but the priests are Catholic nevertheless whether Catholicism as a whole approves of child abuse or not. That is my argument and if you continue to talk past me, pretend my argument is different, launch red herrings and strawmen, then you will prove how much of an incompetent fool you are, so I would suggest, for your own good, to concentrate on the arguments I submit, not the ones you wish I would submit.


I was talking on the topic when muslims are not meant to do such thing and how people can meet their soul purification regardless their belief. I'm not sure if pointing someone's post as no true scotsman were considered as argument without talking on the topic at all.


You clearly have no idea about no true Scotsman if you think that for you to conjure one up it is required of me to be or not to be on topic. Whether you are guilty of a no true Scotsman will depend entirely on you.
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You clearly have no idea about no true Scotsman if you think that for you to conjure one up it is required of me to be or not to be on topic. Whether you are guilty of a no true Scotsman will depend entirely on you.


If I'm not wrong, it's accepting someone's bad act when it comes to others but denying someone's bad act when it comes to themselves. If you really don't have anything to say on topic, let's not going to off topic.
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A Viking warrior who doesn't die in battle can't go to Valhalla. As for purity of the soul, Valhalla (The Halls of the Slain) is a place where you feast and enjoy the afterlife forever alongside other slain warriors, so it seems to me that purity is of little importance. A Viking who perished in battle was taken by the Valkyries riding a chariot on a rainbow called Bifrost to Valhalla. A very interesting way to go out.


Sorry for asking many questions and thanks for answering them, it is indeed interesting. =)
Posted 4/17/10

Ryutai-Desk wrote:


DerfelCadarn wrote:

You clearly have no idea about no true Scotsman if you think that for you to conjure one up it is required of me to be or not to be on topic. Whether you are guilty of a no true Scotsman will depend entirely on you.


If I'm not wrong, it's accepting someone's bad act when it comes to others but denying someone's bad act when it comes to themselves. If you really don't have anything to say on topic, let's not going to off topic.
That's not according to your Islamic value and standard of "a complete lack of compassion and judgment in the name of God". Unless of course you're speaking on behalf of God named Ryutai-Desk, but then where is your proof that such a God could exist?
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DomFortress wrote:

That's not according to your Islamic value and standard of "a complete lack of compassion and judgment in the name of God". Unless of course you're speaking on behalf of God named Ryutai-Desk, but then where is your proof that such a God could exist?


Perhaps you should let your emotions down first than bashing something you barely don't understand about it. I'm looking forward to proper discussion.
"Hatred leads to bias opinions, or do you think that compassion and understanding can result from hate?" -by you.
Posted 4/17/10

Ryutai-Desk wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

That's not according to your Islamic value and standard of "a complete lack of compassion and judgment in the name of God". Unless of course you're speaking on behalf of God named Ryutai-Desk, but then where is your proof that such a God could exist?


Perhaps you should let your emotions down first than bashing something you barely don't understand about it. I'm looking forward to proper discussion.
"Hatred leads to bias opinions, or do you think that compassion and understanding can result from hate?" -by you.
That's where you got me wrong again, when I'm just not you while all I did was casting back your own reflection. So good luck and have fun getting angry at yourself.

明鏡止水: tranquility naturally casts itself over calm water, by reflecting everything around it but not becoming a part of it. That's the mentality of Taoism. -by me.
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To each their own fancies. I am entitled to believe that by burning paper, I can magically give them to my ancestors in hell, so that they may bribe the hell judges with (because, being from the great race of bureaucrats, they have this notion heaven and hell in much the same way), as they are entitled to believe that drinking and vomiting can clean their souls of sins. Why should it bother us that they induldge in such acts and should it bother them that we do what we do? I may think it is utter humbug, but many of my superstitions are pure non-sense as well.
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We are all humans, and none of us are entitled to speak of the soul and its nature. It is not something within our knowledge or understanding, nor is it anything we can fathom. Our experience differs from person to person, so why try and prove the other wrong? Beside, there are more pressing matters on this Earth, like what to do with the hungered masses, and what to do with our ever-growing population.
Posted 4/19/10

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To each their own fancies. I am entitled to believe that by burning paper, I can magically give them to my ancestors in hell, so that they may bribe the hell judges with (because, being from the great race of bureaucrats, they have this notion heaven and hell in much the same way), as they are entitled to believe that drinking and vomiting can clean their souls of sins. Why should it bother us that they induldge in such acts and should it bother them that we do what we do? I may think it is utter humbug, but many of my superstitions are pure non-sense as well.

orangeflute wrote:

We are all humans, and none of us are entitled to speak of the soul and its nature. It is not something within our knowledge or understanding, nor is it anything we can fathom. Our experience differs from person to person, so why try and prove the other wrong? Beside, there are more pressing matters on this Earth, like what to do with the hungered masses, and what to do with our ever-growing population.
The what about the nature of humanity as defined by science? And the fact that a lot of superstitions are in reality harmful to humanity's well beings. Do you still think those are none-sense to you? Especially when individual human experiences can be quantified as better or worst.

So either you refrain from using straw-man tactic to get off-topic, when you've got nothing relevant to say.
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DomFortress wrote:


orangeflute wrote:

To each their own fancies. I am entitled to believe that by burning paper, I can magically give them to my ancestors in hell, so that they may bribe the hell judges with (because, being from the great race of bureaucrats, they have this notion heaven and hell in much the same way), as they are entitled to believe that drinking and vomiting can clean their souls of sins. Why should it bother us that they induldge in such acts and should it bother them that we do what we do? I may think it is utter humbug, but many of my superstitions are pure non-sense as well.

orangeflute wrote:

We are all humans, and none of us are entitled to speak of the soul and its nature. It is not something within our knowledge or understanding, nor is it anything we can fathom. Our experience differs from person to person, so why try and prove the other wrong? Beside, there are more pressing matters on this Earth, like what to do with the hungered masses, and what to do with our ever-growing population.
The what about the nature of humanity as defined by science? And the fact that a lot of superstitions are in reality harmful to humanity's well beings. Do you still think those are none-sense to you? Especially when individual human experiences can be quantified as better or worst.

So either you refrain from using straw-man tactic to get off-topic, when you've got nothing relevant to say.


If it helps them, as a placebo, who am i to interfere and say that science says that they are wrong. I might prove that there is no heaven, and how does that benefit a mourner? I may say that this is utter non-sense, what benefit is there to the person who believes in it mainly to believe. I avoid the number four like plague, where is the benefit of saying such thing is not logically sound? I may say, 'There is no soul, and thus, no soul to clean', how will it make the believers feel any more well? True, there are some harmful ideas born from their fancies, and those should be watched and stamped, but, if it doesn't hurt themselves or anyone else, why should it matter?
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