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Spiritual Purification
Posted 4/19/10

orangeflute wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


orangeflute wrote:

To each their own fancies. I am entitled to believe that by burning paper, I can magically give them to my ancestors in hell, so that they may bribe the hell judges with (because, being from the great race of bureaucrats, they have this notion heaven and hell in much the same way), as they are entitled to believe that drinking and vomiting can clean their souls of sins. Why should it bother us that they induldge in such acts and should it bother them that we do what we do? I may think it is utter humbug, but many of my superstitions are pure non-sense as well.

orangeflute wrote:

We are all humans, and none of us are entitled to speak of the soul and its nature. It is not something within our knowledge or understanding, nor is it anything we can fathom. Our experience differs from person to person, so why try and prove the other wrong? Beside, there are more pressing matters on this Earth, like what to do with the hungered masses, and what to do with our ever-growing population.
The what about the nature of humanity as defined by science? And the fact that a lot of superstitions are in reality harmful to humanity's well beings. Do you still think those are none-sense to you? Especially when individual human experiences can be quantified as better or worst.

So either you refrain from using straw-man tactic to get off-topic, when you've got nothing relevant to say.


If it helps them, as a placebo, who am i to interfere and say that science says that they are wrong. I might prove that there is no heaven, and how does that benefit a mourner? I may say that this is utter non-sense, what benefit is there to the person who believes in it mainly to believe. I avoid the number four like plague, where is the benefit of saying such thing is not logically sound? I may say, 'There is no soul, and thus, no soul to clean', how will it make the believers feel any more well? True, there are some harmful ideas born from their fancies, and those should be watched and stamped, but, if it doesn't hurt themselves or anyone else, why should it matter?
What is the "Lucifer Effect" with its seven social process that grease the slippery slope of evil.

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
-Pastor Martin Niemöller,
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Posted 4/20/10

DomFortress wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


orangeflute wrote:

To each their own fancies. I am entitled to believe that by burning paper, I can magically give them to my ancestors in hell, so that they may bribe the hell judges with (because, being from the great race of bureaucrats, they have this notion heaven and hell in much the same way), as they are entitled to believe that drinking and vomiting can clean their souls of sins. Why should it bother us that they induldge in such acts and should it bother them that we do what we do? I may think it is utter humbug, but many of my superstitions are pure non-sense as well.

orangeflute wrote:

We are all humans, and none of us are entitled to speak of the soul and its nature. It is not something within our knowledge or understanding, nor is it anything we can fathom. Our experience differs from person to person, so why try and prove the other wrong? Beside, there are more pressing matters on this Earth, like what to do with the hungered masses, and what to do with our ever-growing population.
The what about the nature of humanity as defined by science? And the fact that a lot of superstitions are in reality harmful to humanity's well beings. Do you still think those are none-sense to you? Especially when individual human experiences can be quantified as better or worst.

So either you refrain from using straw-man tactic to get off-topic, when you've got nothing relevant to say.


If it helps them, as a placebo, who am i to interfere and say that science says that they are wrong. I might prove that there is no heaven, and how does that benefit a mourner? I may say that this is utter non-sense, what benefit is there to the person who believes in it mainly to believe. I avoid the number four like plague, where is the benefit of saying such thing is not logically sound? I may say, 'There is no soul, and thus, no soul to clean', how will it make the believers feel any more well? True, there are some harmful ideas born from their fancies, and those should be watched and stamped, but, if it doesn't hurt themselves or anyone else, why should it matter?
What is the "Lucifer Effect" with its seven social process that grease the slippery slope of evil.

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
-Pastor Martin Niemöller,


Surely such line of thinking were not the Nazi's. I merely advocate the libertarian idea of 'live and let live', not, 'if it doesn't affect me I shouldn't be concerned.' Be
Posted 4/20/10 , edited 4/20/10

orangeflute wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


orangeflute wrote:



If it helps them, as a placebo, who am i to interfere and say that science says that they are wrong. I might prove that there is no heaven, and how does that benefit a mourner? I may say that this is utter non-sense, what benefit is there to the person who believes in it mainly to believe. I avoid the number four like plague, where is the benefit of saying such thing is not logically sound? I may say, 'There is no soul, and thus, no soul to clean', how will it make the believers feel any more well? True, there are some harmful ideas born from their fancies, and those should be watched and stamped, but, if it doesn't hurt themselves or anyone else, why should it matter?
What is the "Lucifer Effect" with its seven social process that grease the slippery slope of evil.

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
-Pastor Martin Niemöller,


Surely such line of thinking were not the Nazi's. I merely advocate the libertarian idea of 'live and let live', not, 'if it doesn't affect me I shouldn't be concerned.' Be
You call blindly following lies as "living"? You obviously had no concept just what started the Third Reich: a movement.

If Hitler didn't had any follower back then, he would've just been a raving idiot. But when "birds of a feather flock together", an idiot will follow another idiot, and soon they'll form a mob.
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Posted 4/21/10
Only God can purify the Sprit, and first one's heart must be covered by the grace of God through Jesus Christ. We can psych ourselves out, but true purification comes from God. That which is perfect can only truly purify that which is polluted.
Posted 4/21/10

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Only God can purify the Sprit, and first one's heart must be covered by the grace of God through Jesus Christ. We can psych ourselves out, but true purification comes from God. That which is perfect can only truly purify that which is polluted.
And what kind of "purification" do you think war and genocide are? What's so "perfect" about purging people amass as some sort of "mercy killing"?
Posted 4/21/10

digs wrote:

Only God can purify the Sprit, and first one's heart must be covered by the grace of God through Jesus Christ. We can psych ourselves out, but true purification comes from God. That which is perfect can only truly purify that which is polluted.


Only God can cause such neurological problems.
Posted 4/21/10

Glock45 wrote:


digs wrote:

Only God can purify the Sprit, and first one's heart must be covered by the grace of God through Jesus Christ. We can psych ourselves out, but true purification comes from God. That which is perfect can only truly purify that which is polluted.


Only God can cause such neurological problems.
For we're cast from the "perfect" image of God, in the name of God. So why such a "perfect" image of God can ever be swayed by temptation in the name of God?
Posted 4/21/10

DomFortress wrote:


Glock45 wrote:


digs wrote:

Only God can purify the Sprit, and first one's heart must be covered by the grace of God through Jesus Christ. We can psych ourselves out, but true purification comes from God. That which is perfect can only truly purify that which is polluted.


Only God can cause such neurological problems.
For we're cast from the "perfect" image of God, in the name of God. So why such a "perfect" image of God can ever be swayed by temptation in the name of God?


Temptation will sway the weak since they likely aren't able to tell the difference between right and wrong, and it doesn't take a god and a doctrine he supposedly wrote to teach us things. Experience is the best way to learn concerning everything. Without experience, how can we even begin to have room to talk about something? For instance; when we commit a wrongdoing as a child, we are scolded for it and shown why the act was wrong. To take it too far by saying that your very soul will be plunged in a lake of fire for being unrepentant is abusive to a developing mind. And what is more pure and also cruel than a child? I think that the very image of perfection (if perfect even exists) is one of a being that recognizes its faults and does what it can to correct its mistakes while seeking improvement.
Posted 4/21/10

Glock45 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


Glock45 wrote:


digs wrote:

Only God can purify the Sprit, and first one's heart must be covered by the grace of God through Jesus Christ. We can psych ourselves out, but true purification comes from God. That which is perfect can only truly purify that which is polluted.


Only God can cause such neurological problems.
For we're cast from the "perfect" image of God, in the name of God. So why such a "perfect" image of God can ever be swayed by temptation in the name of God?


Temptation will sway the weak since they likely aren't able to tell the difference between right and wrong, and it doesn't take a god and a doctrine he supposedly wrote to teach us things. Experience is the best way to learn concerning everything. Without experience, how can we even begin to have room to talk about something? For instance; when we commit a wrongdoing as a child, we are scolded for it and shown why the act was wrong. To take it too far by saying that your very soul will be plunged in a lake of fire for being unrepentant is abusive to a developing mind. And what is more pure and also cruel than a child? I think that the very image of perfection (if perfect even exists) is one of a being that recognizes its faults and does what it can to correct its mistakes while seeking improvement.
Exactly, and with that analogy even right doing need to be explained for the how and why. Otherwise a mind won't be inspired to out do its own expectation.
Posted 4/25/10

DomFortress wrote:


Glock45 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


Glock45 wrote:


digs wrote:

Only God can purify the Sprit, and first one's heart must be covered by the grace of God through Jesus Christ. We can psych ourselves out, but true purification comes from God. That which is perfect can only truly purify that which is polluted.


Only God can cause such neurological problems.
For we're cast from the "perfect" image of God, in the name of God. So why such a "perfect" image of God can ever be swayed by temptation in the name of God?


Temptation will sway the weak since they likely aren't able to tell the difference between right and wrong, and it doesn't take a god and a doctrine he supposedly wrote to teach us things. Experience is the best way to learn concerning everything. Without experience, how can we even begin to have room to talk about something? For instance; when we commit a wrongdoing as a child, we are scolded for it and shown why the act was wrong. To take it too far by saying that your very soul will be plunged in a lake of fire for being unrepentant is abusive to a developing mind. And what is more pure and also cruel than a child? I think that the very image of perfection (if perfect even exists) is one of a being that recognizes its faults and does what it can to correct its mistakes while seeking improvement.
Exactly, and with that analogy even right doing need to be explained for the how and why. Otherwise a mind won't be inspired to out do its own expectation.


Coming up short of an expectation is always a failure. To outdo it makes for a pleasant surprise. So I wonder how a spirit might be improved beyond expectations...
Posted 4/25/10 , edited 4/25/10

Glock45 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


Glock45 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


Glock45 wrote:


digs wrote:

Only God can purify the Sprit, and first one's heart must be covered by the grace of God through Jesus Christ. We can psych ourselves out, but true purification comes from God. That which is perfect can only truly purify that which is polluted.


Only God can cause such neurological problems.
For we're cast from the "perfect" image of God, in the name of God. So why such a "perfect" image of God can ever be swayed by temptation in the name of God?


Temptation will sway the weak since they likely aren't able to tell the difference between right and wrong, and it doesn't take a god and a doctrine he supposedly wrote to teach us things. Experience is the best way to learn concerning everything. Without experience, how can we even begin to have room to talk about something? For instance; when we commit a wrongdoing as a child, we are scolded for it and shown why the act was wrong. To take it too far by saying that your very soul will be plunged in a lake of fire for being unrepentant is abusive to a developing mind. And what is more pure and also cruel than a child? I think that the very image of perfection (if perfect even exists) is one of a being that recognizes its faults and does what it can to correct its mistakes while seeking improvement.
Exactly, and with that analogy even right doing need to be explained for the how and why. Otherwise a mind won't be inspired to out do its own expectation.


Coming up short of an expectation is always a failure. To outdo it makes for a pleasant surprise. So I wonder how a spirit might be improved beyond expectations...
As simple as seeing failure as problem or puzzle that can be solved with creativity and originality. There will always be moment of defeat, but don't settle for it when it's just something that can be solved. That's how nature did it with evolution, way before the dawn of human civilization with human innovation.
Posted 4/25/10

DomFortress wrote:


Glock45 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


Glock45 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


Glock45 wrote:


digs wrote:

Only God can purify the Sprit, and first one's heart must be covered by the grace of God through Jesus Christ. We can psych ourselves out, but true purification comes from God. That which is perfect can only truly purify that which is polluted.


Only God can cause such neurological problems.
For we're cast from the "perfect" image of God, in the name of God. So why such a "perfect" image of God can ever be swayed by temptation in the name of God?


Temptation will sway the weak since they likely aren't able to tell the difference between right and wrong, and it doesn't take a god and a doctrine he supposedly wrote to teach us things. Experience is the best way to learn concerning everything. Without experience, how can we even begin to have room to talk about something? For instance; when we commit a wrongdoing as a child, we are scolded for it and shown why the act was wrong. To take it too far by saying that your very soul will be plunged in a lake of fire for being unrepentant is abusive to a developing mind. And what is more pure and also cruel than a child? I think that the very image of perfection (if perfect even exists) is one of a being that recognizes its faults and does what it can to correct its mistakes while seeking improvement.
Exactly, and with that analogy even right doing need to be explained for the how and why. Otherwise a mind won't be inspired to out do its own expectation.


Coming up short of an expectation is always a failure. To outdo it makes for a pleasant surprise. So I wonder how a spirit might be improved beyond expectations...
As simple as seeing failure as problem or puzzle that can be solved with creativity and originality. There will always be moment of defeat, but don't settle for it when it's just something that can be solved. That's how nature did it with evolution, way before the dawn of human civilization with human innovation.


We get back up when we fall. The examples remain and the next generation learns. Maybe, volumes written on the continuous improvement of the entire self should completely replace all religious doctrines. No more prayer for betterment, no more useless hopes, just a firm realization of what it takes to make it in life and reach the ultimate end result; joy.
Posted 7/6/11
the only thing that can purification can occur is by evolution though experience of the soul ......from my point of view
is all about the consciousness of existence....
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