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Animal Equality
Posted 1/5/08 , edited 4/18/08

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The reason is cuz animals cant speak for themselves so we dont know what they think witch means we ignore being *racist* to them


You -cannot- be "racist" to an animal.... it's IMPOSSIBLE.

all of the responses I see like this are based on a false predication.
That predication is "animals are as intelligent as humans", they aren't.

Do animals think ? yes
Do they think on the same level and in the same way as a human? no
Do animals feel/have emotions? yes
Do they feel/have emotions in the same way as a human? no

Look, unless there is a serious and fundamental shift in the evolutionary tract, and over night all animals make a huge leap in intelligence..... animals will never be like or equal to humans.
Animals do not care about nor can they understand discrimination.
things break down to two things: friendly/unfriendly and trust/do not trust

If you are friendly then you can be trusted.
If you are not friendly then you cannot be trusted, therefore you are to be shunned and warned away and if you don't go away.... you get attacked.
So what makes you think that it's only humans that "shun" animals.... animals do it to humans as well LOL
It's that simple in the animal world.

sadly there is -one- thing that does more to set us apart from animals than anything else.... Humans have the capability to be cruel.
Animals don't.

Anyway I call for this thread to be locked.

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its call the dominate species
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its call the dominate species

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An animal is an animal. A human is a human. There is a clear distinction in between.

But hurting or abusing other animals is a degrading act. Thus, those who do it are no longer human beings but are animals themselves. Thats why we isolate them in things we call jail.
Posted 1/6/08 , edited 4/18/08
heh heh sorry..... force of habit man.... no offense meant
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well well well.... seems little miss samman wants the right to insult people in PM but doesn't think she has to take it.... so I'll post this here.


I'll tell you what you little brain dead twit... when YOU get a double major in English AND comp sciences, A+ and Network+ certifications and you're working and doing what I do AND you get married to a DEGREED biologist.... THEN you can insult me... but until that happens -and- YOU LEARN TO UNDERSTAND THAT I HAVE A RIGHT TO MY OPINION AND YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO INSULT ME FOR IT... then you can talk to me.


Btw.... I guess you didn't comprehend THAT I WAS BOTH DEFENDING THE GIRL WHO MADE THIS THREAD -AND- GIVING A DIFFERING VIEW POINT!

so the only ass here is you.

You need to learn to respect others rights to their opinions, telling them to shut up isn't the way. And if you cannot show enough maturity to display even a shred of common courtesy.... I have to ask... why are you posting ?

DAMN! I get so sick of smug smarmy little girls who think they know OH SO MUCH.... yet don't have the experience, and as in sammans apparent case the education, to back it up.

To the rest of you I apologize for letting this little girl anger me like this... so I offer my most humble apology to you all who've shown clear intelligence and courtesy.

Shibole: I'd choose the human.
why? because (for the most part anyway LOL) a human life is more important to me than that of an animal.
The only problem with this question is that nothing is that cut and dried... there are always extenuating circumstances.


Sorry I'm being little rude, but you who say animal have no personal is like insult to me. Please in less you Major on animal study. I still feel you no right say what you did. Plus man has all way been bics when it came to animals. Did that dictionary happen to be written by goat, no it was wrote by man. In less you don't count Africa Grey Bird, for most part animal can speak human but that don't mean they don't understand feeling and body laugh. Also they have personality. Not one of them is same person. Each have different likes and dislikes. You can't say animal has no personal in less you spent time with. It same for humans. Maybe racism is not right word but speciesism. Still read this book, you're not someone study animal, so don't pretend you have.
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It depends on the individual person, and on society as whole.
It's how some animals are considered majestic and beautiful, while others are only considered pests to society.

For instance, I myself happen to like birds, particularly Senegals, for example's sake.
Now, I may find that bird pretty and all, but the farmer from whom the bird is getting grain from by eating it in the fields as it grows, that said farmer would consider it a pest, and shoot it.

I think it's the whole superiority/inferiority complex. Yes, we may all be animals, but some people tend to overlook that fact.
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I dun care bout animals because theyre not human
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Shibole: I'd choose the human.
why? because (for the most part anyway LOL) a human life is more important to me than that of an animal.
The only problem with this question is that nothing is that cut and dried... there are always extenuating circumstances.

So under what condition would you allow a human to die in order to save a dog from death?
Posted 1/6/08 , edited 4/18/08

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Sorry I'm being little rude, but you who say animal have no personal is like insult to me.

Uh... I never said that LOL.
I pointed out an error that porjectcedric made by limiting his definition of the word "personality" .

I own 2 cats... and I am in a position to say that animals DO have personalities, without question.

So you STILL owe me and some others an apology.


Please in less you Major on animal study. I still feel you no right say what you did. Plus man has all way been bics when it came to animals. Did that dictionary happen to be written by goat, no it was wrote by man. In less you don't count Africa Grey Bird, for most part animal can speak human but that don't mean they don't understand feeling and body laugh. Also they have personality. Not one of them is same person. Each have different likes and dislikes. You can't say animal has no personal in less you spent time with. It same for humans. Maybe racism is not right word but speciesism. Still read this book, you're not someone study animal, so don't pretend you have.


ok first, "bic" is not a word... it's the name of a lighter manufacturer .
Second.... I have -every- right to say what I want to say, as for quoting animals studies.... you forget that they were ALSO written by humans.... so you can't have it both ways. Either you accept what was written by humans or you do not, to accept one and dismiss another is hypocrisy and a glaring double standard.
And I have very serious doubts about your own assertions. I highly doubt you have even taken a class on animal studies, yet my wife devoted a good portion of her degree to such (she's also working towards a Masters as well, what have -you- done ?).

I am well familiar with African Greys (both the timnah and Congo variety) and I am also familiar with the world famous Alex (are you ?). On top of that, I have 2 arms full of scars from dealing with parrots of all types from budgies to macaws.

So do not presume to know me or my mind or my background.
You aren't even educated enough in English to even to debate effectively which is probably why you didn't understand anything I had said.

You started problems without even knowing what you were bitching about.... pathetic.

btw.... www.dictionary.com
use this and look up the word "bics" and "prejest", I think you'll find they DO NOT exist.

Unless, of course, you mean Bias and prejudice ..... then you still have it wrong because they do not fit the context of this thread.

If you plan on crossing verbal swords with me.... I suggest you better educate yourself, and improve your English skills.


P.S.

prejest - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prejest (hmmm doesn't seem to be there)

bics - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bics (hmmm this too does not seem to be a word)

And so you know... this site uses all reputable dictionary sources as it's database.

POPQUIZ miss know it all: Macaws... are they Parrots or Parakeets ?
Posted 1/6/08 , edited 4/18/08

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ShadowGryphon wrote:
Shibole: I'd choose the human.
why? because (for the most part anyway LOL) a human life is more important to me than that of an animal.
The only problem with this question is that nothing is that cut and dried... there are always extenuating circumstances.

So under what condition would you allow a human to die in order to save a dog from death?


Torturous and needless animal testing.
I'd then gladly put down the human engaging in it.

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animals too have a life
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geez theyre all fighting...
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Animals have the right to be eaten until they are competent enough to say other wise
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Posted 1/6/08 , edited 4/18/08

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SamMan wrote:
Sorry I'm being little rude, but you who say animal have no personal is like insult to me.

Uh... I never said that LOL.
I pointed out an error that porjectcedric made by limiting his definition of the word "personality" .

I own 2 cats... and I am in a position to say that animals DO have personalities, without question.

So you STILL owe me and some others an apology.


Please in less you Major on animal study. I still feel you no right say what you did. Plus man has all way been bics when it came to animals. Did that dictionary happen to be written by goat, no it was wrote by man. In less you don't count Africa Grey Bird, for most part animal can speak human but that don't mean they don't understand feeling and body laugh. Also they have personality. Not one of them is same person. Each have different likes and dislikes. You can't say animal has no personal in less you spent time with. It same for humans. Maybe racism is not right word but speciesism. Still read this book, you're not someone study animal, so don't pretend you have.


ok first, "bic" is not a word... it's the name of a lighter manufacturer .
Second.... I have -every- right to say what I want to say, as for quoting animals studies.... you forget that they were ALSO written by humans.... so you can't have it both ways. Either you accept what was written by humans or you do not, to accept one and dismiss another is hypocrisy and a glaring double standard.
And I have very serious doubts about your own assertions. I highly doubt you have even taken a class on animal studies, yet my wife devoted a good portion of her degree to such (she's also working towards a Masters as well, what have -you- done ?).

I am well familiar with African Greys (both the timnah and Congo variety) and I am also familiar with the world famous Alex (are you ?). On top of that, I have 2 arms full of scars from dealing with parrots of all types from budgies to macaws.

So do not presume to know me or my mind or my background.
You aren't even educated enough in English to even to debate effectively which is probably why you didn't understand anything I had said.

You started problems without even knowing what you were bitching about.... pathetic.

btw.... www.dictionary.com
use this and look up the word "bics" and "prejest", I think you'll find they DO NOT exist.

Unless, of course, you mean Bias and prejudice ..... then you still have it wrong because they do not fit the context of this thread.

If you plan on crossing verbal swords with me.... I suggest you better educate yourself, and improve your English skills.


P.S.

prejest - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prejest (hmmm doesn't seem to be there)

bics - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bics (hmmm this too does not seem to be a word)

And so you know... this site uses all reputable dictionary sources as it's database.

POPQUIZ miss know it all: Macaws... are they Parrots or Parakeets ?


You have point and I am sorry that I was rude to you all but none of you. Have give reference that animal base. All it human base so there really no way for you to be right this point argument from beginning was pointless but animal are people. They're not lot different between us and them. Plus using general term was biggest mistake. Not one creature on this plant is same. Try look animal as people. That why want you read this book. The Ten Truth by Jane Goodall and Marc Bekoff. It
show you how animal are people in their own right. But we can't agree. Then you have your opinion and I have mine.
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