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Racism, White Supremacy, Stereotypes & Hollywood
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You really have no idea about what you are talking and/or you did not take the time to read my post. If you didn't pay any attention I stated that the prime influence in actor choice in "White" Hollywood, was based statistically on making money. I never once said that there is NO RACISM IN CINEMA OMG. I simply stated that the PRIME MOTIVE for actor choice is based on who you are marketing to. Which by all logic IS TRUE.


there you go again with the marketing excuse while failing to see that Hollywood use the racist excuse claiming their audience cannot handle minorities in lead roles



There you go again playing ignorance towards marketing. Your picking and choosing tiny parts of what I say before looking at the context. Right now your basically saying that Racism is a far more likely choice then marketing in a capitalist country.





Asian films don't create stereotypes? Maybe that is because foreigners/non-asians aren't in them. Almost complete exclusion. And don't you dare try to tell me there aren't whites or non-Asians in Japan/China etc...

I'm not defending or enjoying racism, I'm simply stating that there are other factors involved.


What exclusion? I have seen white and foreign actors in a few HK/Chinese movies and Japanese Dramas and in Japan Foreigners like black american singer Jero, 2 canadians in the band monkey majik, crystal kay and others who have one foreign parent and one japanese parent etc are doing will in the entertainment business.


Whites are often portrayed as foreigners and often lost or asking directions. That is a stereotype is it not?

Need I remind you of Godzilla: Final Wars? The blacks in it are gangsters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR_Pbdf5UBw





"Asians don't use the racist excuse you are using to market films. many Asian films which are marketed to overseas and non-asians living abroad have subtitles and yes more asian movies and dramas are being marketed to overseas audiences on Channels like TV Japan and KBS world which are available on north american cable with a digital cable box."

While that may be true, the White population isn't all about watching asians movies (that and if you haven't noticed there are ASIANS overseas....so some of that marketing is going to them. Who do you think is the majority in watching anime? White kids?). When was the last time you saw a stereotypical white guy watching a Korean drama? You don't. It's just not a common happening in our culture.


north american culture generally frown on anything that is made outside of north america


Cuba frowns upon things made outside of Cuba. And while we are at it, why don't you enlighten me as to what North American culture is. Your definition is far different then any I seem to know being born and living in Canada.



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And every time someone says YOUR claims about racism in north america are exagerated you trot out the 'denial' argument. but when someone suggests that a group for which you have affinity might be racist, you deny it in strong terms not unlike those used by those you dismiss.


because they are DENYING racism and always use to the business and marketing excuse for hollywood to marginalize minorities and i don't have any affinity with a group and speaking out against racism is not racism this is a tactic used by deniers to call people racist when they denouce racism from hollywood


No one is denying racism. They are just pointing out that in a capitalist system, money is far more important and therefore more likely the cause. Big name actors often means more money generated on average. You immediately overlook this are call that person a denier and a racist.




OH! and answer my question. what relevance does my supposed 'white'-ness have to do with my suggestion that the house you're flinging bricks from might be made of glass? Please, answer. I'm really curious.


there is something call white denial where whites deny racism and make excuses



There is also something called White Guilt where whites feel a collective guilt for things that have happened to minorities in the past even though they may not have been remotely involved.

White Denial is just a racist concept made up by those who hate white people. Do you hate white people? It that what this is really about?


You obviously think white people are completely unaffected by racism, so here's a scenario for you:

You are German
You are in History 12 (aka WW2/Holocaust)
Your class is 90% Minorities
It's Holocaust starting day

Do you have any idea how many Nazi salutes you will get? How many times you will be likened to the Nazi's despite probably having nothing to do with them in your family history? How often you will get looked down on or blamed for the atrocities carried out let alone for the problems of the world?

Racism happens to whites too. So what makes the asian film industry immune to racial motives?
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1) Every time you accuse hollywood or someone's thread on this forum of racism it's fact.


Hollywood is racist and has habit of casting white actors to play asians and non-whites something is odd when people claim this is not racism and make up excuses



2) Every time the attempt to argue that your charges are exaggerated it's 'white denial'

yes it is denial what other explanation is there? there is no other explanation for people getrtingdefensive when somebody rightly accuse hollywood of racism. I see this on other websites in the comment sections that report news on the upcoming Genghis khan movie which a white actor is playing Khan



3) However it's clear from other threads you've posted on that you think claims that the Japanese are racist are exagerrated in fact you get quite irate and counter attack.

The Japanese generally don't hate foreigners in fact foreigners are doing will in Japanese society and going into the entertianment business. A finnish born man who later took up Japanese citizenship is currently a member of the Japanese Diet. i said this previously in another thread a few weeks ago.



4) Emboldened above (mine) -- yet this is exactly what you did when you accused me of 'white denial' for mentioning Japan.




this thread is not about Japan stop changing the topic
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Question is,why do stupid people choose to stay stupid? If people can't see past stereotypes and prejudices,then that just shows how uneducated and closed-minded they are.Hollywood to me is just overrated drama full of drugs and dumb trashy people.Again,just my opinion.A lot of young girls look beyond real beauty and think this "perfect"(FAKE) appearanceis what is pretty.All races have beautiful people.The media just tends to focus on Caucasians most of the time. Personally,I don't find it beautiful.Hot,but not beautiful.

Ahhh,natural hair color,and no makeup.
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kavyaan still denying



There you go again playing ignorance towards marketing. Your picking and choosing tiny parts of what I say before looking at the context. Right now your basically saying that Racism is a far more likely choice then marketing in a capitalist country.


Hollywood using white actors to play minorities, using minorities in stereotypical roles is racism Hollywood is this assumption that thier white audience cannot handle non-whites in leading roles. stop denying this fact




Whites are often portrayed as foreigners and often lost or asking directions. That is a stereotype is it not?

Need I remind you of Godzilla: Final Wars? The blacks in it are gangsters.




people in foreign countries always ask for directions when they are lost



Cuba frowns upon things made outside of Cuba. And while we are at it, why don't you enlighten me as to what North American culture is. Your definition is far different then any I seem to know being born and living in Canada.


cuba frowns on non-cuban things? Cuba is suffering under the U.S blockade for over 40 years where did you get this from?



No one is denying racism. They are just pointing out that in a capitalist system, money is far more important and therefore more likely the cause. Big name actors often means more money generated on average. You immediately overlook this are call that person a denier and a racist.


Hollywood assumes that thier audience cannot handle non-whites in leading roles and they continue to portray white actors as non-whites quit using this marketing excuse




There is also something called White Guilt where whites feel a collective guilt for things that have happened to minorities in the past even though they may not have been remotely involved.

White Denial is just a racist concept made up by those who hate white people. Do you hate white people? It that what this is really about?


you sound like somebody whose white privileged is showing due the fact that your getting uncomfortable that your Hollywood fantasy world is being exposed for what it is
I don't hate white people. condemning racism does not make one hate whites

White denial is denying that racism exists this has nothing to do with hating whites


You obviously think white people are completely unaffected by racism, so here's a scenario for you:

You are German
You are in History 12 (aka WW2/Holocaust)
Your class is 90% Minorities
It's Holocaust starting day





I am not white nor German I never been in a history class for over a decade




Do you have any idea how many Nazi salutes you will get? How many times you will be likened to the Nazi's despite probably having nothing to do with them in your family history? How often you will get looked down on or blamed for the atrocities carried out let alone for the problems of the world?


what are you talking about? modern German people are not getting a nazi salute nor blame for atrocities



Racism happens to whites too. So what makes the asian film industry immune to racial motives?



there is less prevalenvce of anti-white racism than anti-minority

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2714047/reverse_racism_the_truths_and_myths.html

Hate crimes that were anti-black made up a whopping 72.6% of all hate crimes in 2008. In comparison, anti-white hate crimes made up 17.3% of the total for 2008; both statistics are according to the FBI's annual civil rights crime report.

61.1% of hate crime offenders are white, which is an undeniable majority to the 20.2% black offenders.



Posted 7/19/10
I'm not surprised Hollywood is racist and always has been. It is, after all, owned and controlled by the Zionist machine. Look up the "Big Six" Hollywood studios of the MPAA and the names of the CEOs who run them.
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The Idea that Hollywood is runned by Zionists or Jews is a myth

For the better part of this century, anti-Semites have alleged that American Jews have conspired with their co-religionists to "control" the motion picture industry in the United States.

The assertion that Jews "control" Hollywood, the media, banking and finance, among other things, is an anti-Semitic canard which dates back more than 70 years to an anti-Jewish campaign waged in the 1920s by the Dearborn Independent, a long-defunct publication backed by the late industrialist Henry Ford Sr. The Dearborn Independent had mounted a seven-year anti-Semitic campaign based on the notorious and fraudulent book, The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

http://www.adl.org/special_reports/movie_industry.asp

Posted 7/19/10

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The Idea that Hollywood is runned by Zionists or Jews is a myth

For the better part of this century, anti-Semites have alleged that American Jews have conspired with their co-religionists to "control" the motion picture industry in the United States.

The assertion that Jews "control" Hollywood, the media, banking and finance, among other things, is an anti-Semitic canard which dates back more than 70 years to an anti-Jewish campaign waged in the 1920s by the Dearborn Independent, a long-defunct publication backed by the late industrialist Henry Ford Sr. The Dearborn Independent had mounted a seven-year anti-Semitic campaign based on the notorious and fraudulent book, The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

http://www.adl.org/special_reports/movie_industry.asp



Typical you got your source from the ADL of all places...

How is Hollywood not run by Jews? They own all the major studios for crying out loud.
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Debunking the Lie

In an essay headed "Who Says Jews Control Hollywood?" published in the February/March 1995 issue of Midstream magazine, Steven G. Kellman, a professor at the University of Texas in San Antonio, wrote: "Boosters and antisemites agree: Jews have been prominent and predominant in all phases of the [motion picture] business: production, distribution and exhibition." He noted that, at the time, "Of the 100 most powerful people in the industry according to a recent survey by Premiere, most, including the top 12, are Jewish," but observed, "Though individual Jews control Hollywood, Jewishness does not." In fact, Hollywood studios are publicly owned corporations and motion pictures are made by the efforts of individual men and women, some of whom are Jewish, many of whom are not.

While statistics and studies on the subject are not readily available, the Anti-Defamation League believes that the recitation of numbers and percentages is not the answer to the false charges of Jewish "control" of the motion picture industry, or, indeed, of similar accusations involving the media, banking, finance and other businesses. Reliance on statistics alone plays into the hands of anti-Semites. Generally, Jews involve themselves in non-religious and non-political activity as individuals, not as Jews. ADL takes the position that the number of Jews involved in a particular field bears no relationship to "Jewish power" or "Jewish control" of that industry. ADL does not accept the notion that Jews in any field act in concert with other Jews similarly situated simply because they happen to be Jewish. To believe otherwise is to accept a conspiracy theory that is the anti-Semites' stock-in-trade and relegates Jews to a kind of second-class citizenship.

In other words, American Jews have as much right as any other citizens of the United States to work in the motion picture business, in the entertainment industry, and in any other legitimate businesses. Moreover, it bears repeating that those Jews who involve themselves in the motion picture industry do so as individuals, not as representatives of their religious group or with an aim to act in some coordinated conspiratorial manner.

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Posted 7/19/10

shinto-male wrote:

and do you legitimate proof of that claim?


Here are the current "Big Six" Hollywood Studios and their CEOs:

Walt Disney Company - Robert Iger

Sony Pictures - Howard Stringer

Paramount Pictures (Viacom) - Sumner Redstone

20th Century Fox - Rupert Murdoch

Universal Studios (NBC Universal) - Jeff Zucker

Warner Bros. - Barry Meyer

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Your entire post is summed up in this:

"you sound like somebody whose white privileged is showing due the fact that your getting uncomfortable that your Hollywood fantasy world is being exposed for what it is"
"I am not white nor German I never been in a history class for over a decade"
"what are you talking about? modern German people are not getting a nazi salute nor blame for atrocities"

1. I am white, living in the ghetto of my town. Privilege is something I lack the luxury of. Your drawing conclusions out of your own racist fantasy.
2. What Hollywood fantasy? Did I ever state that I enjoyed Hollywood Films? I hinted at Indian and asian cinema. But as per preference I like the works of Jan Svankmajer or Gyorgy Palfi. Those are definitely not your stereotypical Hollywood films that you seem to think I enjoy. Stop assuming things.
3. You aren't white. You don't understand remotely what we go through as a people. We deal with people like you, who just hate us for things we never did, and view everything we do as out of racial animosity.
4. Wrong. I'm mostly German. I took history in 2008. My entire school year was full of racial hatred towards my people. We do get the nazi salute. We do get blamed. You only don't notice this because your not one of us. My younger brother, had similar reception in his year this year.

Before you go an make another conclusion, there is no white privilege for me in the workforce. I`m in an asian dominated community. I don`t get shit. Your just waving things off as privilege and denial so that you can belittle the value of a "white" man's opinion.

You sound like your racism is showing as you are clearly uncomfortable that someone dares to argue differently then your own personal beliefs.
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shinto-male wrote:

The Idea that Hollywood is runned by Zionists or Jews is a myth

For the better part of this century, anti-Semites have alleged that American Jews have conspired with their co-religionists to "control" the motion picture industry in the United States.

The assertion that Jews "control" Hollywood, the media, banking and finance, among other things, is an anti-Semitic canard which dates back more than 70 years to an anti-Jewish campaign waged in the 1920s by the Dearborn Independent, a long-defunct publication backed by the late industrialist Henry Ford Sr. The Dearborn Independent had mounted a seven-year anti-Semitic campaign based on the notorious and fraudulent book, The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

http://www.adl.org/special_reports/movie_industry.asp



Typical you got your source from the ADL of all places...

How is Hollywood not run by Jews? They own all the major studios for crying out loud.


So what if Jewish people own the majority of the studios, since when is it a crime to be a successful businessman ?
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1. [I am white, living in the ghetto of my town. Privilege is something I lack the luxury of. Your drawing conclusions out of your own racist fantasy.

what racist fantasy? why do you constantly getting defensive when i use facts to prove that Hollywood is racist? what makes "Hollywood is racist" get you so angry and defensive?

[What Hollywood fantasy? Did I ever state that I enjoyed Hollywood Films? I hinted at Indian and asian cinema. But as per preference I like the works of Jan Svankmajer or Gyorgy Palfi. Those are definitely not your stereotypical Hollywood films that you seem to think I enjoy. Stop assuming things.]

you constant defending hollywod practices and denying racism impys that you enjoy them


[3. You aren't white. You don't understand remotely what we go through as a people. We deal with people like you, who just hate us for things we never did, and view everything we do as out of racial animosity.]


who is we? can't you read I never said i hate whites this is about Hollywood



[Wrong. I'm mostly German. I took history in 2008. My entire school year was full of racial hatred towards my people. We do get the nazi salute. We do get blamed. You only don't notice this because your not one of us. My younger brother, had similar reception in his year this year.]


and what does problems in your school have to do with the fact that Hollywood is racist towards minorities to the point of getting white actors to play them? like the upcoming Genghis khan movie? I have nothing do you with the problems youa re facing I am not the one being racist to Germans and blaming them for atrocities


[Before you go an make another conclusion, there is no white privilege for me in the workforce. I`m in an asian dominated community. I don`t get shit. Your just waving things off as privilege and denial so that you can belittle the value of a "white" man's opinion.]


yes you are denying the fact racism exist in Hollywood and thier use of racebending and yellowfacing and yes you show your previldge by getting defensive and angry c;aiming that hollywood is not racist and only use marketing



[You sound like your racism is showing as you are clearly uncomfortable that someone dares to argue differently then your own personal beliefs. ]


here is a person defending Hollywood racism and racebending and yellowfacing calling me a racist when I expose Hollywood for what they are and getting all angry and defensive about it

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shinto-male wrote:

1) Every time you accuse hollywood or someone's thread on this forum of racism it's fact.


Hollywood is racist and has habit of casting white actors to play asians and non-whites something is odd when people claim this is not racism and make up excuses



2) Every time the attempt to argue that your charges are exaggerated it's 'white denial'

yes it is denial what other explanation is there? there is no other explanation for people getrtingdefensive when somebody rightly accuse hollywood of racism. I see this on other websites in the comment sections that report news on the upcoming Genghis khan movie which a white actor is playing Khan



3) However it's clear from other threads you've posted on that you think claims that the Japanese are racist are exagerrated in fact you get quite irate and counter attack.

The Japanese generally don't hate foreigners in fact foreigners are doing will in Japanese society and going into the entertianment business. A finnish born man who later took up Japanese citizenship is currently a member of the Japanese Diet. i said this previously in another thread a few weeks ago.



4) Emboldened above (mine) -- yet this is exactly what you did when you accused me of 'white denial' for mentioning Japan.




this thread is not about Japan stop changing the topic


First you need to firgure out how to use quotes. Last, you opened the thread when you began adding references to other crunchy threads that you claimed exhibited racism towards Japan. And your credibility is a relevant topic to this thread since you are the OP. Stop dodging the question if it makes you feel uncomfortable. I was sincere when I said you have some valid points and I'd like to read them.

But I also think you're undermining your own position with your extremist approach and your unwillingness to apply your logic against other cultures. I also take offence to the assumption that I'm white.

you don't know -what- I am.

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Just wow. Lol. I can't believe you continue with this. Like I have said time and time and time again. I have never denied that racism exists within Hollywood. I have simply said that there are far more important things in the eyes of society. Our society as whole runs of money. Yet you continue to focus on a small point and hammer on it as if I am saying Hollywood is not racist.

I have yet to get defensive or angry. Your giving yourself too much credit. And drawing way too many conclusions out of nothing.
Posted 7/19/10

Allhailodin wrote:


jandarujora wrote:


shinto-male wrote:

The Idea that Hollywood is runned by Zionists or Jews is a myth

For the better part of this century, anti-Semites have alleged that American Jews have conspired with their co-religionists to "control" the motion picture industry in the United States.

The assertion that Jews "control" Hollywood, the media, banking and finance, among other things, is an anti-Semitic canard which dates back more than 70 years to an anti-Jewish campaign waged in the 1920s by the Dearborn Independent, a long-defunct publication backed by the late industrialist Henry Ford Sr. The Dearborn Independent had mounted a seven-year anti-Semitic campaign based on the notorious and fraudulent book, The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

http://www.adl.org/special_reports/movie_industry.asp



Typical you got your source from the ADL of all places...

How is Hollywood not run by Jews? They own all the major studios for crying out loud.


So what if Jewish people own the majority of the studios, since when is it a crime to be a successful businessman ?


The issue here was that shinto-male was trying to prove (using statements from the ADL of all places) that Jews controlling Hollywood is nothing but a myth, when actually it's so glaringly obvious that they do.
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