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What do you think of a possible political Coalition between the Liberal Democrats Party and Conservative Party?
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I'm not from the UK, but I would certainly hope that the Liberal Democrats as a centrist party would coalition with the Tories on things they both agree on. It seems as if the UK has moved towards conservatism, which is wonderful. The Tories will need some of the Liberal Democrats if they want to do anything.
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digs wrote:

I'm not from the UK, but I would certainly hope that the Liberal Democrats as a centrist party would coalition with the Tories on things they both agree on. It seems as if the UK has moved towards conservatism, which is wonderful. The Tories will need some of the Liberal Democrats if they want to do anything.


But, that said, the Liberal Democrats wants Propotional Representation, as in other European Nations, which would ruin the British two party system, and give more powers to smaller, third parties, like the Lib. Dems. or the OMRLP.
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orangeflute wrote:


digs wrote:

I'm not from the UK, but I would certainly hope that the Liberal Democrats as a centrist party would coalition with the Tories on things they both agree on. It seems as if the UK has moved towards conservatism, which is wonderful. The Tories will need some of the Liberal Democrats if they want to do anything.


But, that said, the Liberal Democrats wants Propotional Representation, as in other European Nations, which would ruin the British two party system, and give more powers to smaller, third parties, like the Lib. Dems. or the OMRLP.


I don't really know how I would change the UK parliamentary system sense I am not very educated on how it exactly works. However, what about implementing an American type of a Republic? We have a House that is represented and divvied up by popular representation, and we have a senate where each state may send two senators. We have both a state representative based system and a popular representative system. I don't know if something like this would work for the UK (Haha, I don't even know how well it works in my own country), but maybe it's an idea. From what I hear, the Liberal Democrats earned roughly 23% of the popular vote, yet they only represent 10% of the seats in parliament.
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digs wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


digs wrote:

I'm not from the UK, but I would certainly hope that the Liberal Democrats as a centrist party would coalition with the Tories on things they both agree on. It seems as if the UK has moved towards conservatism, which is wonderful. The Tories will need some of the Liberal Democrats if they want to do anything.


But, that said, the Liberal Democrats wants Propotional Representation, as in other European Nations, which would ruin the British two party system, and give more powers to smaller, third parties, like the Lib. Dems. or the OMRLP.


I don't really know how I would change the UK parliamentary system sense I am not very educated on how it exactly works. However, what about implementing an American type of a Republic? We have a House that is represented and divvied up by popular representation, and we have a senate where each state may send two senators. We have both a state representative based system and a popular representative system. I don't know if something like this would work for the UK (Haha, I don't even know how well it works in my own country), but maybe it's an idea. From what I hear, the Liberal Democrats earned roughly 23% of the popular vote, yet they only represent 10% of the seats in parliament.


all i can really say is this the libs in the uk are as conservative as the Republicans over here or I hope that I am right.
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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


digs wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


digs wrote:

I'm not from the UK, but I would certainly hope that the Liberal Democrats as a centrist party would coalition with the Tories on things they both agree on. It seems as if the UK has moved towards conservatism, which is wonderful. The Tories will need some of the Liberal Democrats if they want to do anything.


But, that said, the Liberal Democrats wants Propotional Representation, as in other European Nations, which would ruin the British two party system, and give more powers to smaller, third parties, like the Lib. Dems. or the OMRLP.


I don't really know how I would change the UK parliamentary system sense I am not very educated on how it exactly works. However, what about implementing an American type of a Republic? We have a House that is represented and divvied up by popular representation, and we have a senate where each state may send two senators. We have both a state representative based system and a popular representative system. I don't know if something like this would work for the UK (Haha, I don't even know how well it works in my own country), but maybe it's an idea. From what I hear, the Liberal Democrats earned roughly 23% of the popular vote, yet they only represent 10% of the seats in parliament.


all i can really say is this the libs in the uk are as conservative as the Republicans over here or I hope that I am right.


Liberalism is different between the UK and the US ideologically (same with what constitutes conservatism). I think the Conservative party is conservative, the Liberal Democrats are a centrist party, and the Labour party is liberal/socialist.
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digs wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


digs wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


digs wrote:

I'm not from the UK, but I would certainly hope that the Liberal Democrats as a centrist party would coalition with the Tories on things they both agree on. It seems as if the UK has moved towards conservatism, which is wonderful. The Tories will need some of the Liberal Democrats if they want to do anything.


But, that said, the Liberal Democrats wants Propotional Representation, as in other European Nations, which would ruin the British two party system, and give more powers to smaller, third parties, like the Lib. Dems. or the OMRLP.


I don't really know how I would change the UK parliamentary system sense I am not very educated on how it exactly works. However, what about implementing an American type of a Republic? We have a House that is represented and divvied up by popular representation, and we have a senate where each state may send two senators. We have both a state representative based system and a popular representative system. I don't know if something like this would work for the UK (Haha, I don't even know how well it works in my own country), but maybe it's an idea. From what I hear, the Liberal Democrats earned roughly 23% of the popular vote, yet they only represent 10% of the seats in parliament.


all i can really say is this the libs in the uk are as conservative as the Republicans over here or I hope that I am right.


Liberalism is different between the UK and the US ideologically (same with what constitutes conservatism). I think the Conservative party is conservative, the Liberal Democrats are a centrist party, and the Labour party is liberal/socialist.


Actually, the Labour Party, which was socialist, abandoned its roots to make it much more mainstream with its 'New Labour' policy under Blair, and, thus, varies only but a little from the Actual Conservative Party. Thus Lib. Dems. are actually much more 'liberal' than the Labour Party.
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digs wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


digs wrote:

I'm not from the UK, but I would certainly hope that the Liberal Democrats as a centrist party would coalition with the Tories on things they both agree on. It seems as if the UK has moved towards conservatism, which is wonderful. The Tories will need some of the Liberal Democrats if they want to do anything.


But, that said, the Liberal Democrats wants Propotional Representation, as in other European Nations, which would ruin the British two party system, and give more powers to smaller, third parties, like the Lib. Dems. or the OMRLP.


I don't really know how I would change the UK parliamentary system sense I am not very educated on how it exactly works. However, what about implementing an American type of a Republic? We have a House that is represented and divvied up by popular representation, and we have a senate where each state may send two senators. We have both a state representative based system and a popular representative system. I don't know if something like this would work for the UK (Haha, I don't even know how well it works in my own country), but maybe it's an idea. From what I hear, the Liberal Democrats earned roughly 23% of the popular vote, yet they only represent 10% of the seats in parliament.


Their basis of represention is sort of like how we, Americans, choose senators. Each MP is elected according to the Borough. Under a system based upon the Doctrine of PR, as I understand, it doesn't matter how well they do geographically, but, if 24 percent of the nation voted for them, then they would win 24 percent of the seat. Thus, in countries like France, even if the Communist Party supporters are spread out geographically, if they manage to hold 5 percent of the vote, they would get five percent of the seat in Parliament. This will give more powers to the smaller political parties. But, I am no expert, and if any of the above is wrong, you may freely blame my ignorance on the subject.
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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


digs wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


digs wrote:

I'm not from the UK, but I would certainly hope that the Liberal Democrats as a centrist party would coalition with the Tories on things they both agree on. It seems as if the UK has moved towards conservatism, which is wonderful. The Tories will need some of the Liberal Democrats if they want to do anything.


But, that said, the Liberal Democrats wants Propotional Representation, as in other European Nations, which would ruin the British two party system, and give more powers to smaller, third parties, like the Lib. Dems. or the OMRLP.


I don't really know how I would change the UK parliamentary system sense I am not very educated on how it exactly works. However, what about implementing an American type of a Republic? We have a House that is represented and divvied up by popular representation, and we have a senate where each state may send two senators. We have both a state representative based system and a popular representative system. I don't know if something like this would work for the UK (Haha, I don't even know how well it works in my own country), but maybe it's an idea. From what I hear, the Liberal Democrats earned roughly 23% of the popular vote, yet they only represent 10% of the seats in parliament.


all i can really say is this the libs in the uk are as conservative as the Republicans over here or I hope that I am right.


Not true at all, the Conservatives within the United States tend to be more conservative than their counterparts in the UK and in Europe. In fact, the president of France, Sarkozy, a member of the conservative UMP party, is several times divorced.
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IMO, the Conservative-Liberal coalition is the only possible stable government here at the moment. The alternative is Labour-LibDem, which wouldn't form a majority (I think they would only have 314 seats out of 650 between them) so they would need the really small parties to shore them up, which means more agendas being pushed and the government would be held constantly to ransom. Plus, the spectacle of the second and third largest parties ganging up on the largest party (both in terms of share of vote and number of seats) might not go down too well with the electorate.

There is also the issue of the unelected Prime Minister. We don't elect our PM directly, which IMO meant that Gordon Brown didn't lose any legitimacy by taking over mid-term (even though I can't stand the man.) However, if the Lib Dems form a coalition with Labour now that Gordon's standing down we will have a PM who wasn't sold to the people as a potential PM but gets the job within weeks of an election. Constitutionally, completely reasonable, but I don't think people would like it.

I think the Conservative should form an alliance with the Lib Dems and agree to a referendum on electoral reform, but only if it's say two years down the line. Given that Proportional Representation will almost always result in coalitions, it would be good for us to get a taste for what this would mean for our government before making a choice.
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IMO, the Conservative-Liberal coalition is the only possible stable government here at the moment. The alternative is Labour-LibDem, which wouldn't form a majority (I think they would only have 314 seats out of 650 between them) so they would need the really small parties to shore them up, which means more agendas being pushed and the government would be held constantly to ransom. Plus, the spectacle of the second and third largest parties ganging up on the largest party (both in terms of share of vote and number of seats) might not go down too well with the electorate.

There is also the issue of the unelected Prime Minister. We don't elect our PM directly, which IMO meant that Gordon Brown didn't lose any legitimacy by taking over mid-term (even though I can't stand the man.) However, if the Lib Dems form a coalition with Labour now that Gordon's standing down we will have a PM who wasn't sold to the people as a potential PM but gets the job within weeks of an election. Constitutionally, completely reasonable, but I don't think people would like it.

I think the Conservative should form an alliance with the Lib Dems and agree to a referendum on electoral reform, but only if it's say two years down the line. Given that Proportional Representation will almost always result in coalitions, it would be good for us to get a taste for what this would mean for our government before making a choice.


But, why would they want to change a system that has been very beneficial to them as a party?
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orangeflute wrote:


maffoo wrote:

I think the Conservative should form an alliance with the Lib Dems and agree to a referendum on electoral reform, but only if it's say two years down the line. Given that Proportional Representation will almost always result in coalitions, it would be good for us to get a taste for what this would mean for our government before making a choice.


But, why would they want to change a system that has been very beneficial to them as a party?


They wouldn't want to, but if it got them a deal that allowed a government to be formed it might be worthwhile. It would be a pretty big gamble though; if two years down the line Parliament is deadlocked and the public see a bunch of politicians having petty squabbles, they would probably vote to keep the FPTP system which usually gives stronger governments. However, if the coalition system is seen to work well the electorate might decide they like the system and vote for some form of PR.

It's actually a unique opportunity for the Lib Dems to show the people that their proposals are sensible, a free sample if you like.

Anyway, at the moment it's looking very much like the Tory-Lib Dem deal is going to go through, so we'll find out soon enough
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It seems as if the Conservative-LD deal went through. Brown resigned and Cameron is going to be the new PM.
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