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Oh yeah? How?
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Loss of government does not equal to loss of law, order, or civility. And, by laws, do you really believe that all of it is just?


Well then, name at least two countries who have lost their government, but still obtain a peaceful order.
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It's not fearing change. Sum of those things can really happen and are happening like global warming and I won't take an excuse that it's a hoax.


Like many people you were born into a prison, and will die in a prison. You've been in your cage for so long that you no longer believe there to be an outside world. People speak of being happy in Capitalism and democracy, happiness is a prison it is the most insidious prison of all.

You live in a penitentiary that we are all born into, and are forced to rake the dregs of that world for our living. You will know affection and tenderness but only briefly, eventually when your energy is burnt and youth spent you'll be abandoned at some forgotten ward or you'll be stabbed by another inmate while in line at the chow hall, which ever comes first. Tell me, is that happiness worth more than freedom?

It's not an uncommon story. Many convicts meet with miserable ends. Your mother, father, and siblings. One by one taken out behind the chemical sheds and shot. All convicts hunches and deformed by the smallness of their cells; the weight of their chains; the unfairness of their sentences. Anarchy will not destroy you, it just shows you the bars.
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Sessh-Inu wrote:

It's not fearing change. Sum of those things can really happen and are happening like global warming and I won't take an excuse that it's a hoax.


Like many people you were born into a prison, and will die in a prison. You've been in your cage for so long that you no longer believe there to be an outside world. People speak of being happy in Capitalism and democracy, happiness is a prison it is the most insidious prison of all.

You live in a penitentiary that we are all born into, and are forced to rake the dregs of that world for our living. You will know affection and tenderness but only briefly, eventually when your energy is burnt and youth spent you'll be abandoned at some forgotten ward or you'll be stabbed by another inmate while in line at the chow hall, which ever comes first. Tell me, is that happiness worth more than freedom?

It's not an uncommon story. Many convicts meet with miserable ends. Your mother, father, and siblings. One by one taken out behind the chemical sheds and shot. All convicts hunches and deformed by the smallness of their cells; the weight of their chains; the unfairness of their sentences. Anarchy will not destroy you, it just shows you the bars.


this is just jokes hahaha this is so stupid this would never happen to sumone German like me.
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Posted 5/9/10

Sessh-Inu wrote:


Hawker wrote:


Sessh-Inu wrote:

It's not fearing change. Sum of those things can really happen and are happening like global warming and I won't take an excuse that it's a hoax.


Like many people you were born into a prison, and will die in a prison. You've been in your cage for so long that you no longer believe there to be an outside world. People speak of being happy in Capitalism and democracy, happiness is a prison it is the most insidious prison of all.

You live in a penitentiary that we are all born into, and are forced to rake the dregs of that world for our living. You will know affection and tenderness but only briefly, eventually when your energy is burnt and youth spent you'll be abandoned at some forgotten ward or you'll be stabbed by another inmate while in line at the chow hall, which ever comes first. Tell me, is that happiness worth more than freedom?

It's not an uncommon story. Many convicts meet with miserable ends. Your mother, father, and siblings. One by one taken out behind the chemical sheds and shot. All convicts hunches and deformed by the smallness of their cells; the weight of their chains; the unfairness of their sentences. Anarchy will not destroy you, it just shows you the bars.


this is just jokes hahaha this is so stupid this would never happen to sumone German like me.


Is that it? A half-hearted response. Clearly I've stifled your tongue.
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I view anarchism in a bad light because the government could take over, and there would be no laws in place. It could cause riots and people would start to become out of control.
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Posted 5/9/10

Hawker wrote:


Sessh-Inu wrote:


Hawker wrote:


Sessh-Inu wrote:

It's not fearing change. Sum of those things can really happen and are happening like global warming and I won't take an excuse that it's a hoax.


Like many people you were born into a prison, and will die in a prison. You've been in your cage for so long that you no longer believe there to be an outside world. People speak of being happy in Capitalism and democracy, happiness is a prison it is the most insidious prison of all.

You live in a penitentiary that we are all born into, and are forced to rake the dregs of that world for our living. You will know affection and tenderness but only briefly, eventually when your energy is burnt and youth spent you'll be abandoned at some forgotten ward or you'll be stabbed by another inmate while in line at the chow hall, which ever comes first. Tell me, is that happiness worth more than freedom?

It's not an uncommon story. Many convicts meet with miserable ends. Your mother, father, and siblings. One by one taken out behind the chemical sheds and shot. All convicts hunches and deformed by the smallness of their cells; the weight of their chains; the unfairness of their sentences. Anarchy will not destroy you, it just shows you the bars.


this is just jokes hahaha this is so stupid this would never happen to sumone German like me.


Is that it? A half-hearted response. Clearly I've stifled your tongue.


you wish
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LosingOrbit wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


Loss of government does not equal to loss of law, order, or civility. And, by laws, do you really believe that all of it is just?


Well then, name at least two countries who have lost their government, but still obtain a peaceful order.


They loss their government and loss order, that is not anarchy, nor did they aim for anarchy, only to place themselves as the head of the new corrupt government. It is only because there is so many Competitors , a power vacuum if you will, that it leads to complete disorder. In small villages of the Feudal Age, when they are not attacked by neighbouring lords or raped by wandering knights, they have in place what is basically anarchy, and that turned out pretty well.
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I view anarchism in a bad light because the government could take over, and there would be no laws in place. It could cause riots and people would start to become out of control.


Anarchism is the idea that there should not be government, everything should be communally owned, that everyone should be entitled to their basic liberty and without property, and government only hinders those expansion of individual liberties.
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Well then, name at least two countries who have lost their government, but still obtain a peaceful order.


I've never understood people's obsession with order. But they are not blame, they're the product of centuries of Judeo-Christian tradition and the discourses of Plato.

A government can collapse and there would still be the traditional sense of order, or it could all be chaos, which we have been preconditioned to view with hysterical fear. But who knows that's the beauty of Anarchy. There is nothing wrong with the latter, chaos is not the absent of order, it is an order beyond understanding. The universe runs perfectly without laws and constraints, both of which are nothing but idle fancies of the mind, why can't man do the same?
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Sessh-Inu wrote:


Hawker wrote:


Sessh-Inu wrote:


Hawker wrote:


Sessh-Inu wrote:

It's not fearing change. Sum of those things can really happen and are happening like global warming and I won't take an excuse that it's a hoax.


Like many people you were born into a prison, and will die in a prison. You've been in your cage for so long that you no longer believe there to be an outside world. People speak of being happy in Capitalism and democracy, happiness is a prison it is the most insidious prison of all.

You live in a penitentiary that we are all born into, and are forced to rake the dregs of that world for our living. You will know affection and tenderness but only briefly, eventually when your energy is burnt and youth spent you'll be abandoned at some forgotten ward or you'll be stabbed by another inmate while in line at the chow hall, which ever comes first. Tell me, is that happiness worth more than freedom?

It's not an uncommon story. Many convicts meet with miserable ends. Your mother, father, and siblings. One by one taken out behind the chemical sheds and shot. All convicts hunches and deformed by the smallness of their cells; the weight of their chains; the unfairness of their sentences. Anarchy will not destroy you, it just shows you the bars.


this is just jokes hahaha this is so stupid this would never happen to sumone German like me.


Is that it? A half-hearted response. Clearly I've stifled your tongue.


you wish


Yes, Germans are known to be freethinkers, just like during the Nazi era.
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Posted 5/9/10

orangeflute wrote:


OuranMoron44 wrote:

I view anarchism in a bad light because the government could take over, and there would be no laws in place. It could cause riots and people would start to become out of control.


Anarchism is the idea that there should not be government, everything should be communally owned, that everyone should be entitled to their basic liberty and without property, and government only hinders those expansion of individual liberties.


No that's one view of Anarchy. There are many schools of thought in Anarchy, each with their unique view but they all have one thing in common and that is the absent of government.
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Hawker wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


OuranMoron44 wrote:

I view anarchism in a bad light because the government could take over, and there would be no laws in place. It could cause riots and people would start to become out of control.


Anarchism is the idea that there should not be government, everything should be communally owned, that everyone should be entitled to their basic liberty and without property, and government only hinders those expansion of individual liberties.


No that's one view of Anarchy. There are many schools of thought in Anarchy, each with their unique view but they all have one thing in common and that is the absent of government.


Right! I was probably thinking of Socialist/Communist-Anarchy, then.
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orangeflute wrote:

Every political discussion always lead back to the same arguments about Socialism/Communism, the various Political Parties, &c. And, yet, there is little attentioned paid to Anarchism, a political theory just as valid as any. What are your opinions on Anarchism, do you view it in a positive or negative light, and why?


I recently enjoyed the privilege of debating an anarchist classmate of mine, and a while back I debated another anarchist in a dialogue of video responses on YouTube.

In the end there are many different forms of anarchism. Your extremes are communal anarchism and individualist anarchism.

Individual anarchism is essentially the polar opposite of Marxism and Communism. Nietzsche, the founding father of the Nazi party’s ideology, was a staunchly individualistic anarchist. (Hints, the Nazis hated the Marxists even though they themselves were socialists.) Nietzsche argued that laws and morality were tools invented by the weak to fetter the strong. This is unnatural. Individual anarchism is essentially social Darwinism to the extreme. This is actually very closely related to the capitalist movement, which also hated the Marxists.

Communal anarchism is essentially extreme communism. Instead of an organized central system of governing, communities are left to govern themselves. Most early civilizations fit into this category. It works wonderfully on a small scale but cannot sustain itself on a large scale. In addition, without any central system of governing to organize them groups of people become violently independent and begin to divide themselves by things like ethnicity. This form of anarchism eventually gives way to government. People are already working together, so they invent ways of organizing their groups and cooperating for convenience and productivity. For example, the Laconians eventually organized a military that would allow them to gang up on neighbors for resources. They eventually became the fascist establishment of Sparta. In Attica, on the other hand, the community evolved into Athens.

Neither contributes anything to the advancement of mankind. On the other hand, there has never been a holocaust in the name of anarchism. There never could be. This is what I call the Promethean Paradox. Prometheus brought the Greeks fire, a symbol of civilization. It allowed them to create society and government…but it also fueled the industry of war.

Basically, if you are not organized you cannot do any good on a large scale…then again you cannot do any evil on a large scale.
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orangeflute wrote:


Sessh-Inu wrote:


Hawker wrote:


Sessh-Inu wrote:


Hawker wrote:


Sessh-Inu wrote:

It's not fearing change. Sum of those things can really happen and are happening like global warming and I won't take an excuse that it's a hoax.


Like many people you were born into a prison, and will die in a prison. You've been in your cage for so long that you no longer believe there to be an outside world. People speak of being happy in Capitalism and democracy, happiness is a prison it is the most insidious prison of all.

You live in a penitentiary that we are all born into, and are forced to rake the dregs of that world for our living. You will know affection and tenderness but only briefly, eventually when your energy is burnt and youth spent you'll be abandoned at some forgotten ward or you'll be stabbed by another inmate while in line at the chow hall, which ever comes first. Tell me, is that happiness worth more than freedom?

It's not an uncommon story. Many convicts meet with miserable ends. Your mother, father, and siblings. One by one taken out behind the chemical sheds and shot. All convicts hunches and deformed by the smallness of their cells; the weight of their chains; the unfairness of their sentences. Anarchy will not destroy you, it just shows you the bars.


this is just jokes hahaha this is so stupid this would never happen to sumone German like me.


Is that it? A half-hearted response. Clearly I've stifled your tongue.


you wish


Yes, Germans are known to be freethinkers, just like during the Nazi era.


yes thank you that is correct. although I'm not a Nazi I don't really know wich party to vote for though. I would be wasting my vote if I didn't vote Liberal, though. So, yeah. and I wish my vote would count if I voted for the marijuana party though >.< we r talking about political views, right? sorry if were not @_@
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