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A Unicameral PR Parliamentry System in America-
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What would you think of a Unicameral Parliamentry Legislative Body based upon Proportional Representation?
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First polls don't belong here, and second, that isn't that bad of an idea, but i doubt that it can ever exist in the US.
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A whatsamawhosit? No polls here.
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Glock45 wrote:

A whatsamawhosit? No polls here.


A parliament with one house. The American system has two. I like that better.
Posted 5/9/10

SeraphAlford wrote:


Glock45 wrote:

A whatsamawhosit? No polls here.


A parliament with one house. The American system has two. I like that better.


We could use a whole new government. It goes without saying that the one the U.S. has failed many times. We may as well have some kind of old school cast system or aristocracy.
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Glock45 wrote:


SeraphAlford wrote:


Glock45 wrote:

A whatsamawhosit? No polls here.


A parliament with one house. The American system has two. I like that better.


We could use a whole new government. It goes without saying that the one the U.S. has failed many times. We may as well have some kind of old school cast system or aristocracy.


I suppose that depends on how you define the term “failed,” doesn’t it? The US government is still here, isn’t it?

I think our constitutional representative democracy is just fine. I think that the bicameral legislative branch is also just dandy. I hate the Supreme Court and the executive branch.
Posted 5/9/10 , edited 5/9/10

SeraphAlford wrote:


Glock45 wrote:


SeraphAlford wrote:


Glock45 wrote:

A whatsamawhosit? No polls here.


A parliament with one house. The American system has two. I like that better.


We could use a whole new government. It goes without saying that the one the U.S. has failed many times. We may as well have some kind of old school cast system or aristocracy.


I suppose that depends on how you define the term “failed,” doesn’t it? The US government is still here, isn’t it?

I think our constitutional representative democracy is just fine. I think that the bicameral legislative branch is also just dandy. I hate the Supreme Court and the executive branch.


The Supreme Court and Executive Branch is just one reason aside from so many other why the United States is a failed state. But yeah, a new beginning for a vision which has turned into a rat hole of crime and uncertainty would be nice.
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Glock45 wrote:

The Supreme Court and Executive Branch is just one reason aside from so many other why the United States is a failed state. But yeah, a new beginning for a vision which has turned into a rat hole of crime and uncertainty would be nice.


You should move to Texas.
Posted 5/9/10

SeraphAlford wrote:


Glock45 wrote:

The Supreme Court and Executive Branch is just one reason aside from so many other why the United States is a failed state. But yeah, a new beginning for a vision which has turned into a rat hole of crime and uncertainty would be nice.


You should move to Texas.


Nope. They are stingy about assault weapons, and I own a sporter AK-47 variant with hi-cap magazines. [/off-topic]

I am also a bit cautious of a state where they are very apt to stick people in the electric chair.
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Posted 5/9/10 , edited 5/9/10

Glock45 wrote:


SeraphAlford wrote:


Glock45 wrote:

The Supreme Court and Executive Branch is just one reason aside from so many other why the United States is a failed state. But yeah, a new beginning for a vision which has turned into a rat hole of crime and uncertainty would be nice.


You should move to Texas.


Nope. They are stingy about assault weapons, and I own a sporter AK-47 variant with hi-cap magazines. [/off-topic]

I am also a bit cautious of a state where they are very apt to stick people in the electric chair.


Well, 50% of all executions in America do occur in Texas...and it is significantly easier to get sentenced to death in Texas than anywhere else in the United States. Though, they do use lethal injections which is a pretty nice way to die…I mean, as far as ways to die go.

Texas is actually pretty liberal about their guns. You can openly carry now, I hear. But if there’s a state that can and is willing to bring the revolution you seek, it’s Texas. If it teamed up with Alaska, Oklahoma, and a couple other key-southern states (most of which follow Texas like Australia fallows America, and America follows Israel, and the Arab nations follow Nazism) they probably could win a civil war.
Posted 5/9/10

SeraphAlford wrote:


Glock45 wrote:


SeraphAlford wrote:


Glock45 wrote:

The Supreme Court and Executive Branch is just one reason aside from so many other why the United States is a failed state. But yeah, a new beginning for a vision which has turned into a rat hole of crime and uncertainty would be nice.


You should move to Texas.


Nope. They are stingy about assault weapons, and I own a sporter AK-47 variant with hi-cap magazines. [/off-topic]

I am also a bit cautious of a state where they are very apt to stick people in the electric chair.


Well, 50% of all executions in America do occur in Texas...and it is significantly easier to get sentenced to death in Texas than anywhere else in the United States. Though, they do use lethal injections which is a pretty nice way to die…I mean, as far as ways to die go.

Texas is actually pretty liberal about their guns. You can openly carry now, I hear. But if there’s a state that can and is willing to bring the revolution you seek, it’s Texas. If it teamed up with Alaska, Oklahoma, and a couple other key-southern states (most of which follow Texas like Australia fallows America, and America follows Israel, and the Arab nations follow Nazism) they probably could win a civil war.


Or maybe the UN dissolves and everyone does what they want to. All alliances are based purely out of some ideological similarities and the course of history is rewritten. No more of these silly attempts to coincide with each other that break down. Possibly, the U.S. could benefit from the economical downturn to get it's mindset straight and see things in a whole new light. This world can be merciless, at times. I think it is time to impart a system characterized by taking away a few ''freedoms'' people have so they don't slack off. Everyone contributes if they are able so far as body and mind are concerned, and no one gets pushed aside like a piece of garbage, that is, unless someone wants to be treated that way. Accommodations can be made for all people to suit their individual needs. But, that is a thought which would have its flaws just as any would when realized. Many will talk about the endless list of how America can be improved, and this "Unicameral PR Parliament" idea could prove worthwhile, since about anyone's guess is good at this point.
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Or maybe the UN dissolves and everyone does what they want to. All alliances are based purely out of some ideological similarities and the course of history is rewritten. No more of these silly attempts to coincide with each other that break down. Possibly, the U.S. could benefit from the economical downturn to get it's mindset straight and see things in a whole new light. This world can be merciless, at times. I think it is time to impart a system characterized by taking away a few ''freedoms'' people have so they don't slack off. Everyone contributes if they are able so far as body and mind are concerned, and no one gets pushed aside like a piece of garbage, that is, unless someone wants to be treated that way. Accommodations can be made for all people to suit their individual needs. But, that is a thought which would have its flaws just as any would when realized. Many will talk about the endless list of how America can be improved, and this "Unicameral PR Parliament" idea could prove worthwhile, since about anyone's guess is good at this point.


I think that the United Nations, like its predecessor the League of Nations, serves simply to exacerbate international issues. The various member states are not motivated by ideological similarities but rather a chain of mutual economic interests. The UN succeeds in crucifying the victims of racial warfare, cultural imperialism, and religious hatred on a cross of black-gold.

I did a video about this on you-tube on my previous channel, though in retrospect I am dissatisfied with the quality of my presentation. I gave a series of examples to support my accusation. The Iran-Iraq War, the Israel-Palestine conflict, ext.

As far as the topic goes, I do not think that a unicameral parliament is a good idea. I think that the problem here is handing power over to this corrupt government you loath so much. This is why I tend to identify more with the right-wingers when it comes to economic issues. It seems t me that the left-wing tends to complain about the corrupt government and demand we usurp the old establishment…by paying higher taxes. They have done such a great job with the money we awarded them so far, so let’s give them more, right?

The bicameral system does not reduce the corruption, but it dilutes its influence by providing additional checks and balances.

I do not think that the American system is itself corrupt. I just do not think that we use the American system in America anymore. That original program was damn near anarchistic. Now it has become totalitarian and undeniably socialistic.

Do not get me wrong. This is not an attack on socialism. We need certain socialistic aspects in our government. Particularly, we need to regulate the industrialist and capitalist corporations. Nevertheless, when we are going so far as to dictate how people spend their money and what they do with their bodies for some abstract and ambiguous greater good…

You will wear a seatbelt, you won’t smoke pot, you may smoke but we’ll tax you into bankruptcy if you do, and you WILL buy health insurance or we will arrest you!

Hell, we’ve got a not-so-secret secret police force being established for the sole purpose of enforcing the new healthcare bill. A list of other societies that created secret police forces to enforce laws demanding individuals behave in a way that behooves the community: Sparta, the Aztecs, and Nazi Germany.

And yes, I know, Godwin would scoff. Screw Godwin, he’s a dumb ass.

Whatever the case, my solution is not abolishing the skeletal remains of the American system. It is not, then, to remove the bicameral legislative branch in favor of a more unicameral parliamentary system. It is to fall back to the roots and enact stronger constitutional protection for it to prevent a repeat.

I do favor that limited government. It gives a larger portion of power to the people, and as little power to government as you can without being a fully-fledged anarchist.

This is what Byron was discussing in “Prometheus Redeemed.” It is what I have, subsequently, come to call “The Promethean Paradox.”

Strong governments accomplish great things with social programs and security. However, they also do great-but-terrible things. The Crusades, the Inquisition, the Holocaust…all of these were the products of governments with too much power.
Posted 5/11/10 , edited 5/11/10

SeraphAlford wrote:


Glock45 wrote:

Or maybe the UN dissolves and everyone does what they want to. All alliances are based purely out of some ideological similarities and the course of history is rewritten. No more of these silly attempts to coincide with each other that break down. Possibly, the U.S. could benefit from the economical downturn to get it's mindset straight and see things in a whole new light. This world can be merciless, at times. I think it is time to impart a system characterized by taking away a few ''freedoms'' people have so they don't slack off. Everyone contributes if they are able so far as body and mind are concerned, and no one gets pushed aside like a piece of garbage, that is, unless someone wants to be treated that way. Accommodations can be made for all people to suit their individual needs. But, that is a thought which would have its flaws just as any would when realized. Many will talk about the endless list of how America can be improved, and this "Unicameral PR Parliament" idea could prove worthwhile, since about anyone's guess is good at this point.


I think that the United Nations, like its predecessor the League of Nations, serves simply to exacerbate international issues. The various member states are not motivated by ideological similarities but rather a chain of mutual economic interests. The UN succeeds in crucifying the victims of racial warfare, cultural imperialism, and religious hatred on a cross of black-gold.

I did a video about this on you-tube on my previous channel, though in retrospect I am dissatisfied with the quality of my presentation. I gave a series of examples to support my accusation. The Iran-Iraq War, the Israel-Palestine conflict, ext.

As far as the topic goes, I do not think that a unicameral parliament is a good idea. I think that the problem here is handing power over to this corrupt government you loath so much. This is why I tend to identify more with the right-wingers when it comes to economic issues. It seems t me that the left-wing tends to complain about the corrupt government and demand we usurp the old establishment…by paying higher taxes. They have done such a great job with the money we awarded them so far, so let’s give them more, right?

The bicameral system does not reduce the corruption, but it dilutes its influence by providing additional checks and balances.

I do not think that the American system is itself corrupt. I just do not think that we use the American system in America anymore. That original program was damn near anarchistic. Now it has become totalitarian and undeniably socialistic.

Do not get me wrong. This is not an attack on socialism. We need certain socialistic aspects in our government. Particularly, we need to regulate the industrialist and capitalist corporations. Nevertheless, when we are going so far as to dictate how people spend their money and what they do with their bodies for some abstract and ambiguous greater good…

You will wear a seatbelt, you won’t smoke pot, you may smoke but we’ll tax you into bankruptcy if you do, and you WILL buy health insurance or we will arrest you!

Hell, we’ve got a not-so-secret secret police force being established for the sole purpose of enforcing the new healthcare bill. A list of other societies that created secret police forces to enforce laws demanding individuals behave in a way that behooves the community: Sparta, the Aztecs, and Nazi Germany.

And yes, I know, Godwin would scoff. Screw Godwin, he’s a dumb ass.

Whatever the case, my solution is not abolishing the skeletal remains of the American system. It is not, then, to remove the bicameral legislative branch in favor of a more unicameral parliamentary system. It is to fall back to the roots and enact stronger constitutional protection for it to prevent a repeat.

I do favor that limited government. It gives a larger portion of power to the people, and as little power to government as you can without being a fully-fledged anarchist.

This is what Byron was discussing in “Prometheus Redeemed.” It is what I have, subsequently, come to call “The Promethean Paradox.”

Strong governments accomplish great things with social programs and security. However, they also do great-but-terrible things. The Crusades, the Inquisition, the Holocaust…all of these were the products of governments with too much power.


And if nothing works out all that well, we little folk must try to not get crushed under the wheels. Control is what any human being wants. A sphere of influence forcefully sustained. No one can really say they don't, for if they do, that is certainly hypocrisy on their part. So, it is a matter of how that power is used.
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