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Posted 6/5/10

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alupihan45 wrote:

i'm a fan of school but not on the academic aspect. It's the only place where i see my friends (we lived in different city or district). Also, allowance is good. lol

academic wise, school is a nightmare for me. My biggest weakness was mathematics and during my senior year, i have like 4 subjects that involves math.

However, I have to say that in subjects like mathematics, the old school way of teaching is better than letting the child self study and explore.
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Overall, I think the method should be "those who want to learn, go to school. Those wo don't, maybe some other time."

I mean it is kinda easier if the willingness to learn is present rather than forcing something to a student.
That's because you already lost your individual willingness to learn and make sense of the real world in the first place, while at the same time all you cared about were social affirmation among your peers. And no, paying you to learn using monetary incentives like allowance just won't work on slacker like yourself for obvious reason.

Revise your statement and rethink your strategy, for you're not even thinking critically at all with your circular statement.


eh? it seems everyone has the same point of view like you so i think i represent "individualism" more than you.

who loves to study at school anyway? i study but that doesn't mean i love to study at school. Sure I have my friends around but school here is not as liberal as american school. We can't get out. The teacher's are very strict with our uniform. We have to do cleaning duty after school. There are tons of assignments and many more.

But please know that even if there teaching ways are kinda "not fun", understand that it is not useless.

True story, a batch of privates just graduated from the boot camp. There 5 months training was reduced to 4 months training. It seems their drill sergeant rushed the training. Fast forward, after a few months, most of the privates are dead now. They should have shot the privates in the head in the first place.

In the hospital, if the doctors and nurses didn't go to school, patients are screwed. It applies to all profession.
Posted 6/5/10 , edited 6/5/10

alupihan45 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:

i'm a fan of school but not on the academic aspect. It's the only place where i see my friends (we lived in different city or district). Also, allowance is good. lol

academic wise, school is a nightmare for me. My biggest weakness was mathematics and during my senior year, i have like 4 subjects that involves math.

However, I have to say that in subjects like mathematics, the old school way of teaching is better than letting the child self study and explore.
-------------------------

Overall, I think the method should be "those who want to learn, go to school. Those wo don't, maybe some other time."

I mean it is kinda easier if the willingness to learn is present rather than forcing something to a student.
That's because you already lost your individual willingness to learn and make sense of the real world in the first place, while at the same time all you cared about were social affirmation among your peers. And no, paying you to learn using monetary incentives like allowance just won't work on slacker like yourself for obvious reason.

Revise your statement and rethink your strategy, for you're not even thinking critically at all with your circular statement.


eh? it seems everyone has the same point of view like you so i think i represent "individualism" more than you.

who loves to study at school anyway? i study but that doesn't mean i love to study at school. Sure I have my friends around but school here is not as liberal as american school. We can't get out. The teacher's are very strict with our uniform. We have to do cleaning duty after school. There are tons of assignments and many more.

But please know that even if there teaching ways are kinda "not fun", understand that it is not useless.

True story
, a batch of privates just graduated from the boot camp. There 5 months training was reduced to 4 months training. It seems their drill sergeant rushed the training. Fast forward, after a few months, most of the privates are dead now. They should have shot the privates in the head in the first place.

In the hospital, if the doctors and nurses didn't go to school, patients are screwed. It applies to all profession.
Right, as in you were the first one among your peers to skip school, and you did it all by your own free will.[/sarcasm]

And you've got the wrong idea to think that American public school is liberal, when in reality it's anything but.

Also, when I think that not only playing is nature's solution for a fun and safe learning environment, while by playing with ideas can make people to become more creative. It's also important that we mustn't be afraid of adversity or even failure, otherwise we'll not be inspired to do anything. So long as we kept worrying about and shying from an unrealistic bottom-line known simply as uncertainty.

BTW, just because you claimed something being true doesn't mean it really is. You need proper justification with factual evidences.

In all structures of our society, if we don't know how to deal with the "human factor" that's our human nature, we're all screwed. Just like how you kept missing the big picture with your unrealistic entitlement claims.
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DomFortress wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:

i'm a fan of school but not on the academic aspect. It's the only place where i see my friends (we lived in different city or district). Also, allowance is good. lol

academic wise, school is a nightmare for me. My biggest weakness was mathematics and during my senior year, i have like 4 subjects that involves math.

However, I have to say that in subjects like mathematics, the old school way of teaching is better than letting the child self study and explore.
-------------------------

Overall, I think the method should be "those who want to learn, go to school. Those wo don't, maybe some other time."

I mean it is kinda easier if the willingness to learn is present rather than forcing something to a student.
That's because you already lost your individual willingness to learn and make sense of the real world in the first place, while at the same time all you cared about were social affirmation among your peers. And no, paying you to learn using monetary incentives like allowance just won't work on slacker like yourself for obvious reason.

Revise your statement and rethink your strategy, for you're not even thinking critically at all with your circular statement.


eh? it seems everyone has the same point of view like you so i think i represent "individualism" more than you.

who loves to study at school anyway? i study but that doesn't mean i love to study at school. Sure I have my friends around but school here is not as liberal as american school. We can't get out. The teacher's are very strict with our uniform. We have to do cleaning duty after school. There are tons of assignments and many more.

But please know that even if there teaching ways are kinda "not fun", understand that it is not useless.

True story
, a batch of privates just graduated from the boot camp. There 5 months training was reduced to 4 months training. It seems their drill sergeant rushed the training. Fast forward, after a few months, most of the privates are dead now. They should have shot the privates in the head in the first place.

In the hospital, if the doctors and nurses didn't go to school, patients are screwed. It applies to all profession.
Right, as in you were the first one among your peers to skip school, and you did it all by your own free will.[/sarcasm]

And you've got the wrong idea to think that American public school is liberal, when in reality it's anything but.

Also, when I think that not only playing is nature's solution for a fun and safe learning environment, while by playing with ideas can make people to become more creative. It's also important that we mustn't be afraid of adversity or even failure, otherwise we'll not be inspired to do anything. So long as we kept worrying about and shying from an unrealistic bottom-line known simply as uncertainty.

BTW, just because you claimed something being true doesn't mean it really is. You need proper justification with factual evidences.

In all structures of our society, if we don't know how to deal with the "human factor" that's our human nature, we're all screwed. Just like how you kept missing the big picture with your unrealistic entitlement claims.


(what the heck with entitlement?)

who says we don't play with ideas in school? do you live in a communist country or something? or maybe teachers are bad teachers there? well, i dunno why you hate school. i think school is the place for fundamental skills. Area is the place for mastery.

Posted 6/6/10

alupihan45 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:

i'm a fan of school but not on the academic aspect. It's the only place where i see my friends (we lived in different city or district). Also, allowance is good. lol

academic wise, school is a nightmare for me. My biggest weakness was mathematics and during my senior year, i have like 4 subjects that involves math.

However, I have to say that in subjects like mathematics, the old school way of teaching is better than letting the child self study and explore.
-------------------------

Overall, I think the method should be "those who want to learn, go to school. Those wo don't, maybe some other time."

I mean it is kinda easier if the willingness to learn is present rather than forcing something to a student.
That's because you already lost your individual willingness to learn and make sense of the real world in the first place, while at the same time all you cared about were social affirmation among your peers. And no, paying you to learn using monetary incentives like allowance just won't work on slacker like yourself for obvious reason.

Revise your statement and rethink your strategy, for you're not even thinking critically at all with your circular statement.


eh? it seems everyone has the same point of view like you so i think i represent "individualism" more than you.

who loves to study at school anyway? i study but that doesn't mean i love to study at school. Sure I have my friends around but school here is not as liberal as american school. We can't get out. The teacher's are very strict with our uniform. We have to do cleaning duty after school. There are tons of assignments and many more.

But please know that even if there teaching ways are kinda "not fun", understand that it is not useless.

True story
, a batch of privates just graduated from the boot camp. There 5 months training was reduced to 4 months training. It seems their drill sergeant rushed the training. Fast forward, after a few months, most of the privates are dead now. They should have shot the privates in the head in the first place.

In the hospital, if the doctors and nurses didn't go to school, patients are screwed. It applies to all profession.
Right, as in you were the first one among your peers to skip school, and you did it all by your own free will.[/sarcasm]

And you've got the wrong idea to think that American public school is liberal, when in reality it's anything but.

Also, when I think that not only playing is nature's solution for a fun and safe learning environment, while by playing with ideas can make people to become more creative. It's also important that we mustn't be afraid of adversity or even failure, otherwise we'll not be inspired to do anything. So long as we kept worrying about and shying from an unrealistic bottom-line known simply as uncertainty.

BTW, just because you claimed something being true doesn't mean it really is. You need proper justification with factual evidences.

In all structures of our society, if we don't know how to deal with the "human factor" that's our human nature, we're all screwed. Just like how you kept missing the big picture with your unrealistic entitlement claims.


(what the heck with entitlement?)

who says we don't play with ideas in school? do you live in a communist country or something? or maybe teachers are bad teachers there? well, i dunno why you hate school. i think school is the place for fundamental skills. Area is the place for mastery.

"In clinical psychology and psychiatry, an unrealistic, exaggerated, or rigidly held sense of entitlement may be considered a symptom of Narcissistic Personality Disorder."(citation)

If anything, you only learned how to make unrealistic claims while pretending to be a skeptic. When modern skeptics still adhere to scientific approach.
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Posted 6/6/10 , edited 6/6/10

DomFortress wrote:
"In clinical psychology and psychiatry, an unrealistic, exaggerated, or rigidly held sense of entitlement may be considered a symptom of Narcissistic Personality Disorder."(citation)

If anything, you only learned how to make unrealistic claims while pretending to be a skeptic. When modern skeptics still adhere to scientific approach.


ohhh..so now you are diagnosing me with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. w00t man, you're good. did you diagnose everyone who has a different POV like that? am i talking to a psychologist here or a psychiatrist?

and what entitlement do i claim?

man, why am i still talking to you? i think i'll keep my distance now as you start to creep me out... you are not smoking crack are you?
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Um pease can we stop flaming and insulting each other?Although using WORDS LIKE ENTITLEMENT shows your at least an intelligent flamers

I think we should be given more chance to learn what interests us and be less limited by the national curriculum.I'm doing my GCSE's and i've never been more interested than in the half an hour after the history revision sessions in which me and my friend had to wait for mum to pick me up where the teacher started telling us degree level gems of information.

I also think we should be tested less; although i am biased because i do struggle with exams; i write in too much detail and do not finish the papers.We should have more coursework so that students can show their abilities but it must be supervised to stop people cheating.
Also i think we should have more apprenticeships, you know that most countries like Canada would kill for more plumbers and builders, think of the possibilities...

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