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When there is something that is wrong in the world, why is it fashion to blame our Great American Nation? Every illnesses to every nations somehow goes back to America, every misgiving of any leader is always the fault of our government. As a proud and patriotic citizen of this nation, I demand an answer as to why it is always our fault!
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orangeflute wrote:

When there is something that is wrong in the world, why is it fashion to blame our Great American Nation? Every illnesses to every nations somehow goes back to America, every misgiving of any leader is always the fault of our government. As a proud and patriotic citizen of this nation, I demand an answer as to why it is always our fault!


'Not always but as a logical human who feels the need to know the facts and gather the information before coming down to a conclusion. I find that America's is responsible for some, not all there blamed for, as are other groups.
On another note... Why does America feel the need to create super Viruses that could wipe us all out, (fact) than hide them in secret labs all over the place... Just think how you must feel being a guard for the military and to know that what you might be guarding could bring a end to all living things on the planet. But America is not the only one guilty of this.. Russia, and England also have supper Viruses they engineered.



Some times there is no fire wen there is smoke, but still if there is smoke most often its do to a fire. If America's Government gets a lot of blame their is most likely some reasoning behind it.
Posted 5/16/10
America likes to get into every other damn country's business. That's why when something occurs in a country, it blames America. That's just like people. They never blame themselves if something happens, they blame others.

Hell, Americans blame their own government and country for everything. I swear, most Americans complain way. too. damn. much. When a president makes ONE mistake, he's suddenly a bad president. Seriously? We all have faults. And I highly doubt that many of you could keep the country running for a day.
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America was a great nation up until 1913.
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It is because United States of America is the only superpower on the world that still remains after Soviet collapse. Other than that, if we look up throughout our history, America was always and still grasp the world under their control and their influences are like everywhere. Especially in the war, how many wars have America gone through and changing the roots of other nations and writing a new page of history upon that nation? People blame America because they love to interfere with other nations' problem resulting huge number of lives died. And with that, they liberate countries from dictatorship and become allies with them too.

As super power, USA is the top in major sector for world level, Economy, Military, Foreign Policy. Its GDP is number one, 3 times more than Japan which sit in 2nd place. And they are the largest importer. This is not always good when most of countries depend their economy by exporting their goods to America. When American's economy starting to crumble a bit, it affects many countries on the world, like what happened in 2008.

As military, it's clear enough and well-known that US military is a force that always participate or create wars all over the world. If the war ended bad with great destruction on the land and its people, the native of that land would blame foreign troops for creating and participating the war they're not supposed to happen. But when the war ended good that results eliminating dictator, put democracy and prosperity to the people, the native would say it's happen because of their own efforts, not because of Americans.

Probably, America's Foreign Policy and Affairs is the one who makes people blame all faults to them. Americans has always meddling in some country's affair and the one who are responsible in the conflict that still happening today. Take example from Israel-Palestine, UN is the one who suppose to be a mediator of both sides and taking charge of the region and peace talks, but then America always taking control of the peace talks which always failed to settle the problem. It's okay if America is fair to both and really focused on solving the conflict, but unfortunately it's not.

America also tends to ignored whatever UN did, take example of Afghanistan's Weapon of Mass Destruction and Iraq's Biological Weapon, America started their wars based on these claims when UN inspector found no evidence of that claims until today. I think it's pretty natural to hate a nation that always meddling in every affairs, starting wars, lying, and supporting those who can benefits them. Even their allies like Britain, Australia, EU, and many are protesting America for what it has done to the rest of the world.
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The US was one of few nations that was created to be an empire. And after WW2, it was in the clear to be a global empire, and that's what it did. This requires an essay to explain thoroughly, so I'll try to summarize (read "Killing Hope" by William Blum, one of the most important books of our time). You need a good understanding of the last century, which the majority of Americans are indoctrinated not to have.

US foreign policy planners in the 40s developed a plan to dominate what they called the "Grand Area." That included all Latin America, the Middle East and East Asia, and pretty much the whole world if possible. This is very explicitly explained in disclosed documents from Washington. And so, after careful planning, the US took the role of global imperialist leader, and has been the most destructive force in human history. Of course it would have to be, it's an empire born after the industrial revolution and a much smaller world, so the new imperialist tactics are extremely destructive and widespread.

The US imperialist planners were literally in a position where they could shape the world almost any way they wanted after WW2, a position no power has ever had in history. They decided that vague, ridiculous ideas like "human rights," "raising living standards" and "democratization" should be discarded and instead the entire US foriegn policy would be the exact same of past imperialist powers; exploiting the natural and human resources of the world for the benefit of US investors and corporations, and to do it by any means necessary. The most efficient way, obviously, is to set up and support dictatorships, military regimes, police states, block development (i.e. keep the poor people poor and suffering, because they just might take control of their own countries if they weren't struggling to survive), and these policies were carried out on a global scale with consequences that made this period of humanity arguably worse than ever. Americans are around 5% of the global population and consume 25% of the resources, while more than half the planet lives on $2 a day. Americans also produce 30% of the pollution in the world.

In order to keep the neocolonialist governments in place, the US has assassinated dozens of presidents and leaders that posed a threat to US hegemony and has removed 40 foreign governments from power, has crushed 30 nationalist movements (people fighting the dictatorships the US put in place) and has bombed 25 countries.

About the bombing and the wars, every US president after WW2 would have been hanged for crimes against humanity if the Nuremberg laws were applied. The US has massacred millions of people, has absolutely no military policies that endorse the Geneva Conventions (in older wars, like Vietnam, US soldiers killed, tortured, raped, terrorized, did whatever they felt like. They're generally indoctrinated to be racist so they see the people they're invading as subhuman, and so don't hesitate when they're ordered to shoot innocent people or burn children to death by napalm. US soldiers are generally more civilized in newer wars, like Iraq, but they still can kill, rape, torture, terrorize whoever they feel like as long as no one's taking pictures, and they regularly do. Official US military policy in Iraq is that of terrorizing and killing innocent people. This information comes straight from the guilty soldiers.) The US in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq (twice), all of Latin America (death squads, chemical weapons, direct bombing/invasion), Laos, Cambodia, Afghanistan, and I'm sure I'm missing a lot more, has consistently, deliberately massacred civilians (the death toll of direct US attacks must be in the tens of millions) and every military invasion was unjustified, the US being the aggressor almost without exception, the only real reasons being imperialist goals.

Along with that, the US has military bases in around 150 countries. It's been building weapons in space and has clearly stated their purpose is so the US can strike anyone, at any time. And the Bush doctrine actually made it clear the US reserves the right to invade any country in the world it sees as a threat, evidence is not necessary of course. This is an insane, out of control empire, and not a very subtle one.

And people wonder why anyone would hate the US? Amazing indoctrination efforts need to be implemented to keep American citizens in the dark about their own country's empire. Your country is massacring, torturing, and terrorizing innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan right now, with your tax money. It's funding dictatorships, military states and feudal societies all over the third world. It's corporations are enslaving countless amounts of people and stealing the resources from countries all over the world. Wake up, your country is not the wonderful, democracy-spreading world power you think it is.

This is a very brief overview, read William Blum's book and actually study what the US foreign policy was after WW2 (and even before that), you can look directly at US documents if you want, it's all very open.
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with great power comes responsibility....The Price of power just breeds hatred
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orangeflute wrote:

When there is something that is wrong in the world, why is it fashion to blame our Great American Nation? Every illnesses to every nations somehow goes back to America, every misgiving of any leader is always the fault of our government. As a proud and patriotic citizen of this nation, I demand an answer as to why it is always our fault!


It's never our fault, they just like blaming America because we are stronger and wealthier and therefore "evil." There is so much anti-American propaganda floating around and people take it seriously. Greece is even blaming American banks for their financial crisis. It's really ridiculous. The world is immature, and like immature children it is always someone else's fault for their failure. America is the largest superpower, thus it is easy to blame us with the most illogical and foolish allegations. Plus we are peaceful and wouldn't destroy a country for damaging our character or lying about us. They can blame and attack without conflict while making themselves feel as if nothing was their fault. The international community looks more and more like a preppy high school everyday
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Well Digs I think if there is evidence that support the US involvement in something I dont think we should just overlook that. I mean of course we are powerful and rich but how much progress can a third world country make with extremely weak weaponry. Some have to even blow themselves up to make significant damage to the USA. To me thats a waste of time I think something else has to be driving them besides because we are free to do whatever we want. Lol we go to war with these people and if all of them resort to suicide bombing lol well they lose because they would have no more combatants.
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The US was one of few nations that was created to be an empire. And after WW2, it was in the clear to be a global empire, and that's what it did. This requires an essay to explain thoroughly, so I'll try to summarize (read "Killing Hope" by William Blum, one of the most important books of our time). You need a good understanding of the last century, which the majority of Americans are indoctrinated not to have.

US foreign policy planners in the 40s developed a plan to dominate what they called the "Grand Area." That included all Latin America, the Middle East and East Asia, and pretty much the whole world if possible. This is very explicitly explained in disclosed documents from Washington. And so, after careful planning, the US took the role of global imperialist leader, and has been the most destructive force in human history. Of course it would have to be, it's an empire born after the industrial revolution and a much smaller world, so the new imperialist tactics are extremely destructive and widespread.

The US imperialist planners were literally in a position where they could shape the world almost any way they wanted after WW2, a position no power has ever had in history. They decided that vague, ridiculous ideas like "human rights," "raising living standards" and "democratization" should be discarded and instead the entire US foriegn policy would be the exact same of past imperialist powers; exploiting the natural and human resources of the world for the benefit of US investors and corporations, and to do it by any means necessary. The most efficient way, obviously, is to set up and support dictatorships, military regimes, police states, block development (i.e. keep the poor people poor and suffering, because they just might take control of their own countries if they weren't struggling to survive), and these policies were carried out on a global scale with consequences that made this period of humanity arguably worse than ever. Americans are around 5% of the global population and consume 25% of the resources, while more than half the planet lives on $2 a day. Americans also produce 30% of the pollution in the world.

In order to keep the neocolonialist governments in place, the US has assassinated dozens of presidents and leaders that posed a threat to US hegemony and has removed 40 foreign governments from power, has crushed 30 nationalist movements (people fighting the dictatorships the US put in place) and has bombed 25 countries.

About the bombing and the wars, every US president after WW2 would have been hanged for crimes against humanity if the Nuremberg laws were applied. The US has massacred millions of people, has absolutely no military policies that endorse the Geneva Conventions (in older wars, like Vietnam, US soldiers killed, tortured, raped, terrorized, did whatever they felt like. They're generally indoctrinated to be racist so they see the people they're invading as subhuman, and so don't hesitate when they're ordered to shoot innocent people or burn children to death by napalm. US soldiers are generally more civilized in newer wars, like Iraq, but they still can kill, rape, torture, terrorize whoever they feel like as long as no one's taking pictures, and they regularly do. Official US military policy in Iraq is that of terrorizing and killing innocent people. This information comes straight from the guilty soldiers.) The US in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq (twice), all of Latin America (death squads, chemical weapons, direct bombing/invasion), Laos, Cambodia, Afghanistan, and I'm sure I'm missing a lot more, has consistently, deliberately massacred civilians (the death toll of direct US attacks must be in the tens of millions) and every military invasion was unjustified, the US being the aggressor almost without exception, the only real reasons being imperialist goals.

Along with that, the US has military bases in around 150 countries. It's been building weapons in space and has clearly stated their purpose is so the US can strike anyone, at any time. And the Bush doctrine actually made it clear the US reserves the right to invade any country in the world it sees as a threat, evidence is not necessary of course. This is an insane, out of control empire, and not a very subtle one.

And people wonder why anyone would hate the US? Amazing indoctrination efforts need to be implemented to keep American citizens in the dark about their own country's empire. Your country is massacring, torturing, and terrorizing innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan right now, with your tax money. It's funding dictatorships, military states and feudal societies all over the third world. It's corporations are enslaving countless amounts of people and stealing the resources from countries all over the world. Wake up, your country is not the wonderful, democracy-spreading world power you think it is.

This is a very brief overview, read William Blum's book and actually study what the US foreign policy was after WW2 (and even before that), you can look directly at US documents if you want, it's all very open.


Our history is not spotless, but some of the things our government has been accused of, such as 9-11 and supporting Israel to establish a new world order composed of Jewish Communist Bankers, is simply ridiculous and idiotic.
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Yei wrote:

The US was one of few nations that was created to be an empire. And after WW2, it was in the clear to be a global empire, and that's what it did. This requires an essay to explain thoroughly, so I'll try to summarize (read "Killing Hope" by William Blum, one of the most important books of our time). You need a good understanding of the last century, which the majority of Americans are indoctrinated not to have.

US foreign policy planners in the 40s developed a plan to dominate what they called the "Grand Area." That included all Latin America, the Middle East and East Asia, and pretty much the whole world if possible. This is very explicitly explained in disclosed documents from Washington. And so, after careful planning, the US took the role of global imperialist leader, and has been the most destructive force in human history. Of course it would have to be, it's an empire born after the industrial revolution and a much smaller world, so the new imperialist tactics are extremely destructive and widespread.

The US imperialist planners were literally in a position where they could shape the world almost any way they wanted after WW2, a position no power has ever had in history. They decided that vague, ridiculous ideas like "human rights," "raising living standards" and "democratization" should be discarded and instead the entire US foriegn policy would be the exact same of past imperialist powers; exploiting the natural and human resources of the world for the benefit of US investors and corporations, and to do it by any means necessary. The most efficient way, obviously, is to set up and support dictatorships, military regimes, police states, block development (i.e. keep the poor people poor and suffering, because they just might take control of their own countries if they weren't struggling to survive), and these policies were carried out on a global scale with consequences that made this period of humanity arguably worse than ever. Americans are around 5% of the global population and consume 25% of the resources, while more than half the planet lives on $2 a day. Americans also produce 30% of the pollution in the world.

In order to keep the neocolonialist governments in place, the US has assassinated dozens of presidents and leaders that posed a threat to US hegemony and has removed 40 foreign governments from power, has crushed 30 nationalist movements (people fighting the dictatorships the US put in place) and has bombed 25 countries.

About the bombing and the wars, every US president after WW2 would have been hanged for crimes against humanity if the Nuremberg laws were applied. The US has massacred millions of people, has absolutely no military policies that endorse the Geneva Conventions (in older wars, like Vietnam, US soldiers killed, tortured, raped, terrorized, did whatever they felt like. They're generally indoctrinated to be racist so they see the people they're invading as subhuman, and so don't hesitate when they're ordered to shoot innocent people or burn children to death by napalm. US soldiers are generally more civilized in newer wars, like Iraq, but they still can kill, rape, torture, terrorize whoever they feel like as long as no one's taking pictures, and they regularly do. Official US military policy in Iraq is that of terrorizing and killing innocent people. This information comes straight from the guilty soldiers.) The US in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq (twice), all of Latin America (death squads, chemical weapons, direct bombing/invasion), Laos, Cambodia, Afghanistan, and I'm sure I'm missing a lot more, has consistently, deliberately massacred civilians (the death toll of direct US attacks must be in the tens of millions) and every military invasion was unjustified, the US being the aggressor almost without exception, the only real reasons being imperialist goals.

Along with that, the US has military bases in around 150 countries. It's been building weapons in space and has clearly stated their purpose is so the US can strike anyone, at any time. And the Bush doctrine actually made it clear the US reserves the right to invade any country in the world it sees as a threat, evidence is not necessary of course. This is an insane, out of control empire, and not a very subtle one.

And people wonder why anyone would hate the US? Amazing indoctrination efforts need to be implemented to keep American citizens in the dark about their own country's empire. Your country is massacring, torturing, and terrorizing innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan right now, with your tax money. It's funding dictatorships, military states and feudal societies all over the third world. It's corporations are enslaving countless amounts of people and stealing the resources from countries all over the world. Wake up, your country is not the wonderful, democracy-spreading world power you think it is.

This is a very brief overview, read William Blum's book and actually study what the US foreign policy was after WW2 (and even before that), you can look directly at US documents if you want, it's all very open.


Our history is not spotless, but some of the things our government has been accused of, such as 9-11 and supporting Israel to establish a new world order composed of Jewish Communist Bankers, is simply ridiculous and idiotic.


Obviously those types of accusations are just the usual conspiracy theories that always appear in the US, like the assassination of JFK.

But those incidents that cause conspiracy theories aren't really why there's so much hatred and hostility towards the US. I wouldn't call everything it's done in the last century just "not spotless," it's the most tyrannical state in world history. It's the first truly global empire, which essentially is a new world order, and causes terrible consequences. And it's not just history, it's continuing with it's crimes now.
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Correction originally the USA was created for religious freedom and freedom from British taxes so that people could get a profit from whatever their job/business was . The democratic ways failed after 16 years (the continental congress) then they drafted up the constitution. (America was lucky even to win the revolutionary war) To be honest America is comparable to The Roman Empire and various smaller nations that The Roman Empire Absorbed in the process. Christan Religion with some respect was the downfall of that empire, and among other things general's grabbing for power. Which led to over 600 years of pointless fighting, and lack of advancement in any field

USA weakness is giant corporations moving business over seas and the government trying to strangle money out of everyone.
Another weakness is the 2 branches that are suppose to balance each other out (Executive and Legislative) are just playing a game by fighting each other to the point that nothing gets done (I'm referring to the Democrats and Republicans party's) and only caring about they're own party's positions. I find that the American empire is soon at an end unless something drastic happens. Oh and i might mention even though the Christan religion help build America is now dismantling it slowly (just listen to the news and put 2+2 together)

Personally I'm just tired of war and everyone fighting so much. Plus I'm not against or for the christian religion I'm just making and observation from what i see. I believe in peace, freedom, real justice, equality, and prosperity for all.
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Correction originally the USA was created for religious freedom and freedom from British taxes so that people could get a profit from whatever their job/business was . The democratic ways failed after 16 years (the continental congress) then they drafted up the constitution. (America was lucky even to win the revolutionary war) To be honest America is comparable to The Roman Empire and various smaller nations that The Roman Empire Absorbed in the process. Christan Religion with some respect was the downfall of that empire, and among other things general's grabbing for power. Which led to over 600 years of pointless fighting, and lack of advancement in any field

USA weakness is giant corporations moving business over seas and the government trying to strangle money out of everyone.
Another weakness is the 2 branches that are suppose to balance each other out (Executive and Legislative) are just playing a game by fighting each other to the point that nothing gets done (I'm referring to the Democrats and Republicans party's) and only caring about they're own party's positions. I find that the American empire is soon at an end unless something drastic happens. Oh and i might mention even though the Christan religion help build America is now dismantling it slowly (just listen to the news and put 2+2 together)

Personally I'm just tired of war and everyone fighting so much. Plus I'm not against or for the christian religion I'm just making and observation from what i see. I believe in peace, freedom, real justice, equality, and prosperity for all.


According to the founding fathers it was meant to be an empire. Those other things you mentioned are irrelevant to whether it was meant to be an empire or not.

"However unimportant America may be considered at present…," said George Washington, "there will assuredly come a day, when this country will have some weight in the scale of Empires..." Washington also referred to the United States as "an infant empire."

Here's a nice article on it: http://www.legion.org/magazine/2485/empire-dirty-word


And pretty soon, the US started spreading and taking over land brutally from the Aboriginals. And the imperialism spread quite quickly in the 19th century and exploded in the 20th, so George Washington was right.
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blue2zero wrote:

Correction originally the USA was created for religious freedom and freedom from British taxes so that people could get a profit from whatever their job/business was . The democratic ways failed after 16 years (the continental congress) then they drafted up the constitution. (America was lucky even to win the revolutionary war) To be honest America is comparable to The Roman Empire and various smaller nations that The Roman Empire Absorbed in the process. Christan Religion with some respect was the downfall of that empire, and among other things general's grabbing for power. Which led to over 600 years of pointless fighting, and lack of advancement in any field

USA weakness is giant corporations moving business over seas and the government trying to strangle money out of everyone.
Another weakness is the 2 branches that are suppose to balance each other out (Executive and Legislative) are just playing a game by fighting each other to the point that nothing gets done (I'm referring to the Democrats and Republicans party's) and only caring about they're own party's positions. I find that the American empire is soon at an end unless something drastic happens. Oh and i might mention even though the Christan religion help build America is now dismantling it slowly (just listen to the news and put 2+2 together)

Personally I'm just tired of war and everyone fighting so much. Plus I'm not against or for the christian religion I'm just making and observation from what i see. I believe in peace, freedom, real justice, equality, and prosperity for all.


According to the founding fathers it was meant to be an empire. Those other things you mentioned are irrelevant to whether it was meant to be an empire or not.

"However unimportant America may be considered at present…," said George Washington, "there will assuredly come a day, when this country will have some weight in the scale of Empires..." Washington also referred to the United States as "an infant empire."

Here's a nice article on it: http://www.legion.org/magazine/2485/empire-dirty-word


And pretty soon, the US started spreading and taking over land brutally from the Aboriginals. And the imperialism spread quite quickly in the 19th century and exploded in the 20th, so George Washington was right.



With respect back in those days they had no understand of much of anything in the first place. Plus add the fact people went to college just to learn to read back then so please don't forget to put whatever the founding fathers said in context to what they knew back in the day.
For example tribal peoples in the pacific ocean area during ww2 receive lots a food from a strange people on flying metal birds. As you see they can only describe what they know from what they already learned. My reference is from the "Chariots of the gods" book
and can find what i am referring to near then end of the content section.

But there is no doubt karma is only going to pay America eventually.

You know there has yet been a time when we were fighting someone. I mean America can't rest for 10 years without fighting someone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_wars


Posted 5/17/10
How about we blame the whole world instead, and the human race along with it.

The United States was an attempt at a truly free world, something too good for the likes of the shit that is humanity. America deserves better, and not one corrupt person here will improve things. I think it is purely fashion to beat the shit out of the U.S. from the perspective of every other country. The U.S. tried her best to help the world, so what do we get? All of our efforts thrown back in our faces.

America should never have helped anyone unless asked to.
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