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Anime is going to die - President of Bang Zoom! Entertainment
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Posted 5/16/10

You must have noticed by now that many of the publishers that brought anime to the West have been shut down or substantially down-sized. There are only a few places left still able to bring titles to our shores. This is a critical year for anime. There’s no other way to say it. And I realized this morning that it was time for me to sound an urgent alarm.

If people don’t resist the urge to get their fix illegally, the entire industry is about to fizzle out. It won’t be a big dramatic change at this point. Last year we saw Bandai fire 90% of their staff on one Monday in January, and two years ago we saw Geneon (neé Pioneer) shut their doors and auction off their wares to the highest bidder. CPM died a slow, painful death. And ADV fell hard and fast, the way mighty giants will. But from here on, it won’t be so exciting. Japan is already suffering and struggling to bring out quality titles. They can’t rely on everything being picked up by US distributors anymore. And little by little, it just won’t be here anymore.

You can’t find much anime at Best Buy now. In fact, where can you find it for sale? Think about that. There are fewer new titles coming out, and less and less stuff will be in English, because it’s just not worth the cost of dubbing it. It’s true that entertainment distribution models are going to be changing dramatically. DVD may be on the way out forever, and online TV is becoming a reality very quickly. But so far, there are no successful ways to monetize online entertainment. Not so that creators can afford to produce and distribute quality content.

Anime is going to die.

Unless YOU change. Right now. Stop stealing. If you have committed theft, robbery, shop-lifting, or just “downloading some stuff through torrent reactor,” then just stop doing it — now. You probably wouldn’t go into a supermarket and put a package of swiss cheese under your shirt and walk out without paying. Nor would you walk into Best Buy and try to walk out with Guitar Hero, bypassing the cash register. Why? Is it because you might get caught? Or are there other issues, such as standards of morality, that dictate how you live your life.

The net, for all it’s charms, is also a dark and dangerous place. When you’re navigating it, you need to ask yourself this question: Is this right, just because it is so easy? You need to understand that quality entertainment costs a lot to create. And if there is no one paying for this content, it just won’t be made anymore. If no one bought tickets to a Lady Ga Ga show, she would not do the tour. That’s just how it works. For some reason, people don’t mind stealing their anime. I’m here to tell you flat out: This is wrong. You are doing something bad. And you need to stop it.

I’m sure that some of you reading this will laugh, close this window, and go download some more torrents. Why not? Who’s going to know? Who’s going to catch you?

I think this bears repetition, so I’ll say it again: Not getting caught does not make what you are doing right. And I am pretty sure it doesn’t make you feel good about yourself. What you are doing is not only illegal, it is actually hurting many people. From the artists and creators, to the voice actors in the studios — all working to put food on their tables for their families. You can’t see them, and you can’t see the immediate results of your actions. But believe me, you are hurting people.

If what I’m saying resonates with you, then consider this a wake up call. A call to immediate and profound action. It’s very easy to do. You should support anime if you love it, by paying for it. Do the right thing. Plain and simple. Because if you don’t, I can guarantee you that this time next year, Bang Zoom won’t be bringing you anymore English language versions of it.

To all of those who support anime: a heartfelt thank you from all of us at the studio.


Source: http://goanimetv.com/?p=668
Posted 5/16/10


Derp don't really care if dies in the west "since it's dead already" due to being a niche marker after all. When you buy dvd's you do not support the animators that get payed low wages of only 300 yen an hour and some downloads do expose some anime over seas like lucky star or haru to a new audience so that it will warrant some purchases of the series. Also dubs suck, they are out of style and there are only a few handful in this day and time that are even good anymore, gurren lagan and full metal for example, but most are man children reading from a script with no talent whatsoever. Maybe if they had more talent in what they were doing and did better dubs there would be a increase in the sales in dvd's but to be honest I really have never heard of bang zoom, just funimation and bandi. Anime will not die in Japan it is animation after all that is like saying cartoons will die here in America, even though we don't do our own animation anymore "Korea does" a little Ironic eh? But a little more on topic If you truly want to "support the industry" try to import the dvd's ever now and then, Licensing companies only pay so much for the right to show and that mainly goes to the company executives or original creators not the hard working artist that truly need that money to survive I do buy R1 dvd's as well only for the soul fact they are cheaper than their counterparts but that's my own business. Believe what you want to I won't judge and don't judge me back , Below is a pic of my collection so far.
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Derp don't really care if dies in the west "since it's dead already" due to being a niche marker after all. When you buy dvd's you do not support the animators that get payed low wages of only 300 yen an hour and some downloads do expose some anime over seas like lucky star or haru to a new audience so that it will warrant some purchases of the series. Also dubs suck, they are out of style and there are only a few handful in this day and time that are even good anymore, gurren lagan and full metal for example, but most are man children reading from a script with no talent whatsoever. Maybe if they had more talent in what they were doing and did better dubs there would be a increase in the sales in dvd's but to be honest I really have never heard of bang zoom, just funimation and bandi. Anime will not die in Japan it is animation after all that is like saying cartoons will die here in America, even though we don't do our own animation anymore "Korea does" a little Ironic eh? But a little more on topic If you truly want to "support the industry" try to import the dvd's ever now and then, Licensing companies only pay so much for the right to show and that mainly goes to the company executives or original creators not the hard working artist that truly need that money to survive I do buy R1 dvd's as well only for the soul fact they are cheaper than their counterparts but that's my own business. Believe what you want to I won't judge and don't judge me back , Below is a pic of my collection so far.


is that the whole dbz box set...man i want that
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Posted 5/16/10 , edited 5/16/10
I buy my fair shares of anime stuff. And this is making me sad.

I think I'm going to cry.
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Posted 5/17/10
Appears more like the real message is "commercial anime in the west is going to die", since Bang Zoom is a U.S. company.

Frankly, he could be right. For subs with online distribution, a western company really isn't needed. The problem there is the competition from fansubs. What percentage of people continue to watch fansubs of shows that available on CR or other legit sites, simply because they either don't want to wait a week and/or watch ads, or lay out a few bucks a month for a subscription?

Anime in Japan won't die, but it will receive less funding. That means lower budgets, which invariably translates to lower quality and fewer risks taken.

I think the root of the problem is the primary target market for anime. This is not an age group that as a whole has a lot of experience with "paying their own way", and certainly not for something intangible like content. Targeting an older age group might help, but given that the content is determined by the home market (Japan), I don't see that changing anytime soon. It would also be a risk, since the number of persons interested in anime declines with age. It could be argued that has to do with the ages the material is targeted at, but it certainly would be a risk to try and shift that en masse.
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Posted 5/17/10
Anime won't die, trust me.

People do buy their stuff. (but we download more...XP)
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Posted 5/17/10
Heh... I rather buy raw and untranslated DVD box sets from Japan to support the Japanese animators directly rather than supporting those greedy publishers who do nothing more than to butcher the anime that we know and love.
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I don't care much of anime dying in the west, cause dubbed anime, with NO exceptions, suck.
And it's just those silly american publishers who think that there is a big market for dubbed anime that fails.
In japan, anime will never die, people are crazy for it over there, and it's BIG business.

So, I'll put this in context for you greedy Americans who think turning treasure into generic bull**** is the way to go:

THERE IS NO BIG MARKET FOR DUBBED ANIME, THAT'S WHY YOU GUYS FAIL.

Employee: "Uhhmm, we're selling really bad here, boss."
Boss: "Our service is so awesome that we cannot possibly fail in the market, we are higher than any other business out there, cause we CAN'T fail with our incredibly large fan-base. The only reason as to why we are not selling has to be because people download anime!"
Employee: " Yeah, it has to be that, it must have nothing to do with our product being really bad."
Boss: "Let's make those downloading devils feel bad, and make a stupid bulletin about "Anime Dying"."

Me: "YOU GUYS, PEOPLE WHO DOWNLOAD ANIME WOULDN'T BUY YOUR STUFF EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T DOWNLOAD ANIME. FACE IT. LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS, YOU ARE PRONE TO FAILING. STOP BLAMING YOUR SUCKYNESS ON DOWNLOADING. THANKS."

Ok, Banzo something. I really hate you guys now for giving this statement. You have no right in making people feel bad. Anime will NEVER die. Maybe for you it will, but that is because of this sole reason:

TO GAIN CUSTOMERS, YOU HAVE TO SELL SOMETHING OF QUALITY


Hope I made my point clear
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Posted 5/17/10

TheAncientOne wrote:
Anime in Japan won't die, but it will receive less funding. That means lower budgets, which invariably translates to lower quality and fewer risks taken.


I don't think that's the case. I doubt that there are many anime-creators that rely on popularity in the West.

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screw him. Who nids english dubs. Fan-sub for the win
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Posted 5/18/10

Alompi wrote:


TheAncientOne wrote:
Anime in Japan won't die, but it will receive less funding. That means lower budgets, which invariably translates to lower quality and fewer risks taken.


I don't think that's the case. I doubt that there are many anime-creators that rely on popularity in the West.


Any business is interested in generating as much additional income as practical, and make no mistake, anime is a business. Also, keep in mind that Japan's population is both declining and aging, which has a double impact on the target anime market going forward. Video sales in Japan (not just anime) have declined for the past 5 years. If overseas sales are not important to a specific company now, they would be foolish to ignore that going forward. They only have to look to the U.S. entertainment industry for how much overseas sales can contribute to the bottom line.

Of course, that may not be a major issue before you lose your interest in anime, so perhaps you don't care.


I don't care much of anime dying in the west, cause dubbed anime, with NO exceptions, suck.
And it's just those silly american publishers who think that there is a big market for dubbed anime that fails.
In japan, anime will never die, people are crazy for it over there, and it's BIG business.

So, I'll put this in context for you greedy Americans who think turning treasure into generic bull**** is the way to go:

THERE IS NO BIG MARKET FOR DUBBED ANIME, THAT'S WHY YOU GUYS FAIL.

Apparently you either don't realize or chose to ignore that some animes are released as sub only.

You also seem to conveniently forget that every dub DVD in the U.S. includes the original Japanese audio and English subtitles. I expect you'll probably reply that fansubs are better, but isn't it convenient that the only way you can get those is via free distribution that returns nothing to the creator?

Regarding dubs, considering the extra expense it costs to create these vs. a sub only DVD, the publishers of these must have been mad for all these years if your assertion they don't sell was correct. Obviously, sub only DVDs have traditionally sold even worse, enough so that the expense of dubbing was seen as a good investment. That is likely to change going forward, as more new fans of anime first encounter anime as fansubs online, instead of a dub on commercial TV at a local video rental store, and are at the same time indoctrinated into the "dubs suck" mindset that pervades that community. The problem is, that same environment also results in a lower inclination to pay anything for that media going forward.


Since you brought up "greedy Americans", I have to question how much someone living in Norway would really know about the U.S. anime market.


Posted 5/24/10
You'd be surprised.

According to Funimation Entertainment, anime dubs actually sell more than subs, which is fully explained here on this chart:


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Posted 5/24/10 , edited 5/24/10

LosingOrbit wrote:

You'd be surprised.

According to Funimation Entertainment, anime dubs actually sell more than subs, which is fully explained here on this chart:




3500+ fans asked over 3 months, wow thats ALOT :O
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Dubs still suck, NO exception

Oh and, cool first time I see a mod in a thread XD
Posted 5/24/10 , edited 5/24/10

But it's still enough, and the number's continue to grow.
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Posted 5/24/10
Well I know nothing about business and how the world works but...I cant imagine anime dying in Japan ever. And even if the dubs in America go out of business....I dont think it will impact Japan creators that much...maybe like a 10 percent at maximum? Now once again...I have no idea how the world works so I could be 120% wrong. Well to be honest....I couldn't care less if dubbed animes went out of business, cuz to me they suck. Why do they suck? Well there are many things. They say the words too slowly...the impact of the words suck.....the voice actors are not even right for the characters...I could go on. But anyway...I think Japan will forever see anime...and i will forever watch anime on the internet
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