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I sorry when I got off the topic of light, I was thinking of burning oil, gas, coal,even wood. The left overs from doing such things. DA-AAA light has mass I never said it did not. Why do you think I brought up.Geodesics cuvatory. Do you have a I love Al Gore picture you sure get bent out of shape when at take a little shot at the goof ball?

No I do not have even likeing for Al Gore. At that I have yet to get bent out of shape. I am only pointing out little facts. Anyhow I am more a Ron Paul fan to tell you the truth he was the one I voted for, even if I do not agree with him 100% at least he had a brain unlike anyone else that was running.

You said there was more to light being slowed down than gravity. That alone was what I was going off from. I did not even glans at your Al Gore remarks for I could care less of anything to do with politics wen in this debate.
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That's cool I am a Fair Tax supporter Ron Paul is some what out there for me. I used to be for the libertarian party but to many nut jobs are getting involved. We have a local talk show host Herman Cain WSB here in Atlanta he one of many black men I would have liked to seen as President. Some times I like the Old fart Niel Bortz. But most of my stuff comes from dry reading Non fiction and my own life. That Dead Fish McCain, O'Boma puppet that did not want to use the Husein part of his name up till taking the oath of office what a pig.
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'Black hole could have created the singularity that created are galaxy, witch was the residue and remanence of another galaxy, and so on.. spanding back infinitely.
In theory black holes are the creators of galaxies for they create within them the singularity that scientist point out was the big bang.
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Most people do not realize that Black holes have a life span like all other space bodies from stars to humans.

How long does a Black hole live, depends on its size. The giant black hole that governs all the galaxy in this universe, will live much longer than a normal sized black hole. But they all will some day die. But what happens wen a black hole dies??? First a common black hole will live in years 1 with a 100 "0" behind it is the predicted length of time. Long time, but far from forever.

What Happens to a black hole as it ages...?
They shrink but their gravitational force stays constant... Soon a black hole will start giving off heat, and light. This is do to the condensing of all the matter it has gathered within it. (law about matter any one, matter can not be destroyed only its form changes.) So once the black hole reaches its end.. all that matter has been shrank to a very small size, most likely 100,000,000,000 times smaller than the black holes original size. What happens to this matter wen the black hole dies? ANY like the venture a guess. Wen this glowing blue hole that gives off more heat than 1,000,000 stars put together goes and burst, all the matter gathered in this small speck pushes out creating something like a big bang, slowly the matter cools over time taking the form of simple and original forms like hydrogen, than as the gasses gather do to gravity all over the place they create stars, that create from it heaver forms of matter.
Thus a new galaxy/universe is created from the old. A new cosmic start... Of course by the time the old Big Bangs created Super Giant black hole goes, it will rip apart what is left of the original universe wile the process starts all over again.

Discus this Hypothesis of mine.



Do you reckon this kind of recycling can re-arrange atoms and create new stars that are refueled?
Sort of like when stars go super nova and are reborn.
It would explain why the universe isn't filled with large amounts of extremely stable compounds.


But what causes them to explode/push out?


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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

Most people do not realize that Black holes have a life span like all other space bodies from stars to humans.

How long does a Black hole live, depends on its size. The giant black hole that governs all the galaxy in this universe, will live much longer than a normal sized black hole. But they all will some day die. But what happens wen a black hole dies??? First a common black hole will live in years 1 with a 100 "0" behind it is the predicted length of time. Long time, but far from forever.

What Happens to a black hole as it ages...?
They shrink but their gravitational force stays constant... Soon a black hole will start giving off heat, and light. This is do to the condensing of all the matter it has gathered within it. (law about matter any one, matter can not be destroyed only its form changes.) So once the black hole reaches its end.. all that matter has been shrank to a very small size, most likely 100,000,000,000 times smaller than the black holes original size. What happens to this matter wen the black hole dies? ANY like the venture a guess. Wen this glowing blue hole that gives off more heat than 1,000,000 stars put together goes and burst, all the matter gathered in this small speck pushes out creating something like a big bang, slowly the matter cools over time taking the form of simple and original forms like hydrogen, than as the gasses gather do to gravity all over the place they create stars, that create from it heaver forms of matter.
Thus a new galaxy/universe is created from the old. A new cosmic start... Of course by the time the old Big Bangs created Super Giant black hole goes, it will rip apart what is left of the original universe wile the process starts all over again.

Discus this Hypothesis of mine.



Do you reckon this kind of recycling can re-arrange atoms and create new stars that are refueled?
Sort of like when stars go super nova and are reborn.
It would explain why the universe isn't filled with large amounts of extremely stable compounds.


But what causes them to explode/push out?




Stars aren't reborn from a super nova, a black hole or neutron star is usually created.

The super nova occurs because the stars core at that point is a huge solid sphere of iron, the heaviest element that can be created by fusion and still release energy needed to fuel the star, all elements after iron require energy to fuse, and are created in the super nova.

anyway this huge solid sphere of iron is so massive it can't support itself and it collapses into itself, but it doesn't do it fast enough to completely collapse so some the energy rebounds as a massive shock wave which sheds the stars other layers and produces the energy needed to fuse all the other elements.

Other stars can be created from the shock wave as it passes through an existing hydrogen cloud, the shock wave can trigger the collapse of the cloud, which can form a star and planets. That's how our solar system was supposed to have been created.
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Daniel9878 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

Most people do not realize that Black holes have a life span like all other space bodies from stars to humans.

How long does a Black hole live, depends on its size. The giant black hole that governs all the galaxy in this universe, will live much longer than a normal sized black hole. But they all will some day die. But what happens wen a black hole dies??? First a common black hole will live in years 1 with a 100 "0" behind it is the predicted length of time. Long time, but far from forever.

What Happens to a black hole as it ages...?
They shrink but their gravitational force stays constant... Soon a black hole will start giving off heat, and light. This is do to the condensing of all the matter it has gathered within it. (law about matter any one, matter can not be destroyed only its form changes.) So once the black hole reaches its end.. all that matter has been shrank to a very small size, most likely 100,000,000,000 times smaller than the black holes original size. What happens to this matter wen the black hole dies? ANY like the venture a guess. Wen this glowing blue hole that gives off more heat than 1,000,000 stars put together goes and burst, all the matter gathered in this small speck pushes out creating something like a big bang, slowly the matter cools over time taking the form of simple and original forms like hydrogen, than as the gasses gather do to gravity all over the place they create stars, that create from it heaver forms of matter.
Thus a new galaxy/universe is created from the old. A new cosmic start... Of course by the time the old Big Bangs created Super Giant black hole goes, it will rip apart what is left of the original universe wile the process starts all over again.

Discus this Hypothesis of mine.



Do you reckon this kind of recycling can re-arrange atoms and create new stars that are refueled?
Sort of like when stars go super nova and are reborn.
It would explain why the universe isn't filled with large amounts of extremely stable compounds.


But what causes them to explode/push out?




Stars aren't reborn from a super nova, a black hole or neutron star is usually created.

The super nova occurs because the stars core at that point is a huge solid sphere of iron, the heaviest element that can be created by fusion and still release energy needed to fuel the star, all elements after iron require energy to fuse, and are created in the super nova.

anyway this huge solid sphere of iron is so massive it can't support itself and it collapses into itself, but it doesn't do it fast enough to completely collapse so some the energy rebounds as a massive shock wave which sheds the stars other layers and produces the energy needed to fuse all the other elements.

Other stars can be created from the shock wave as it passes through an existing hydrogen cloud, the shock wave can trigger the collapse of the cloud, which can form a star and planets. That's how our solar system was supposed to have been created.


You seem to have common knowledge on how gravity plays a great role in dealing with matter/structures.

Tell me do you see any faults in my Hypothesis?


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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Daniel9878 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

Most people do not realize that Black holes have a life span like all other space bodies from stars to humans.

How long does a Black hole live, depends on its size. The giant black hole that governs all the galaxy in this universe, will live much longer than a normal sized black hole. But they all will some day die. But what happens wen a black hole dies??? First a common black hole will live in years 1 with a 100 "0" behind it is the predicted length of time. Long time, but far from forever.

What Happens to a black hole as it ages...?
They shrink but their gravitational force stays constant... Soon a black hole will start giving off heat, and light. This is do to the condensing of all the matter it has gathered within it. (law about matter any one, matter can not be destroyed only its form changes.) So once the black hole reaches its end.. all that matter has been shrank to a very small size, most likely 100,000,000,000 times smaller than the black holes original size. What happens to this matter wen the black hole dies? ANY like the venture a guess. Wen this glowing blue hole that gives off more heat than 1,000,000 stars put together goes and burst, all the matter gathered in this small speck pushes out creating something like a big bang, slowly the matter cools over time taking the form of simple and original forms like hydrogen, than as the gasses gather do to gravity all over the place they create stars, that create from it heaver forms of matter.
Thus a new galaxy/universe is created from the old. A new cosmic start... Of course by the time the old Big Bangs created Super Giant black hole goes, it will rip apart what is left of the original universe wile the process starts all over again.

Discus this Hypothesis of mine.



Do you reckon this kind of recycling can re-arrange atoms and create new stars that are refueled?
Sort of like when stars go super nova and are reborn.
It would explain why the universe isn't filled with large amounts of extremely stable compounds.


But what causes them to explode/push out?




Stars aren't reborn from a super nova, a black hole or neutron star is usually created.

The super nova occurs because the stars core at that point is a huge solid sphere of iron, the heaviest element that can be created by fusion and still release energy needed to fuel the star, all elements after iron require energy to fuse, and are created in the super nova.

anyway this huge solid sphere of iron is so massive it can't support itself and it collapses into itself, but it doesn't do it fast enough to completely collapse so some the energy rebounds as a massive shock wave which sheds the stars other layers and produces the energy needed to fuse all the other elements.

Other stars can be created from the shock wave as it passes through an existing hydrogen cloud, the shock wave can trigger the collapse of the cloud, which can form a star and planets. That's how our solar system was supposed to have been created.


You seem to have common knowledge on how gravity plays a great role in dealing with matter/structures.

Tell me do you see any faults in my Hypothesis?




Well a black hole is supposed to need "food" to survive, it uses up energy when it releases x-radiation(x-rays) and gamma-rays, which ionize the surrounding matter and that gives off light and microwaves, also when it spins the gas around it, that gas heats up to insane temps and gives off its own radiation, but if it didn't have some sort of source to replace the energy it used up creating x-rays and gamma rays, it would eventually use up all of its energy and "die". But the black hole itself gives off no visible light that I know of. Its just a super dense body who's gravity is superior to all else in the universe.

I guess a black hole could explode when it runs out of energy, sort of like a big bang, but probably it would just just continue to emit small amounts of radiation(black holes are supposed to emit small amounts of thermal radiation), and thus loose mass, and over a long period of time, that loss of mass, would make the black hole "evaporate", or dissipate into a body with insufficent density to be a black hole. so a black hole probably wouldn't blow up like the big bang. But evaporate. or I guess dissipate.

I have no idea what happens to the matter that passes the event horizon, nobody does, and not like you can send a probe into it either. Probably gets shredded into base particles, protons, neutrons and electrons. But I dunno.
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Allhailodin wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Daniel9878 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

Most people do not realize that Black holes have a life span like all other space bodies from stars to humans.

How long does a Black hole live, depends on its size. The giant black hole that governs all the galaxy in this universe, will live much longer than a normal sized black hole. But they all will some day die. But what happens wen a black hole dies??? First a common black hole will live in years 1 with a 100 "0" behind it is the predicted length of time. Long time, but far from forever.

What Happens to a black hole as it ages...?
They shrink but their gravitational force stays constant... Soon a black hole will start giving off heat, and light. This is do to the condensing of all the matter it has gathered within it. (law about matter any one, matter can not be destroyed only its form changes.) So once the black hole reaches its end.. all that matter has been shrank to a very small size, most likely 100,000,000,000 times smaller than the black holes original size. What happens to this matter wen the black hole dies? ANY like the venture a guess. Wen this glowing blue hole that gives off more heat than 1,000,000 stars put together goes and burst, all the matter gathered in this small speck pushes out creating something like a big bang, slowly the matter cools over time taking the form of simple and original forms like hydrogen, than as the gasses gather do to gravity all over the place they create stars, that create from it heaver forms of matter.
Thus a new galaxy/universe is created from the old. A new cosmic start... Of course by the time the old Big Bangs created Super Giant black hole goes, it will rip apart what is left of the original universe wile the process starts all over again.

Discus this Hypothesis of mine.



Do you reckon this kind of recycling can re-arrange atoms and create new stars that are refueled?
Sort of like when stars go super nova and are reborn.
It would explain why the universe isn't filled with large amounts of extremely stable compounds.


But what causes them to explode/push out?




Stars aren't reborn from a super nova, a black hole or neutron star is usually created.

The super nova occurs because the stars core at that point is a huge solid sphere of iron, the heaviest element that can be created by fusion and still release energy needed to fuel the star, all elements after iron require energy to fuse, and are created in the super nova.

anyway this huge solid sphere of iron is so massive it can't support itself and it collapses into itself, but it doesn't do it fast enough to completely collapse so some the energy rebounds as a massive shock wave which sheds the stars other layers and produces the energy needed to fuse all the other elements.

Other stars can be created from the shock wave as it passes through an existing hydrogen cloud, the shock wave can trigger the collapse of the cloud, which can form a star and planets. That's how our solar system was supposed to have been created.


You seem to have common knowledge on how gravity plays a great role in dealing with matter/structures.

Tell me do you see any faults in my Hypothesis?




Well a black hole is supposed to need "food" to survive, it uses up energy when it releases x-radiation(x-rays) and gamma-rays, which ionize the surrounding matter and that gives off light and microwaves, also when it spins the gas around it, that gas heats up to insane temps and gives off its own radiation, but if it didn't have some sort of source to replace the energy it used up creating x-rays and gamma rays, it would eventually use up all of its energy and "die". But the black hole itself gives off no visible light that I know of. Its just a super dense body who's gravity is superior to all else in the universe.

I guess a black hole could explode when it runs out of energy, sort of like a big bang, but probably it would just just continue to emit small amounts of radiation(black holes are supposed to emit small amounts of thermal radiation), and thus loose mass, and over a long period of time, that loss of mass, would make the black hole "evaporate", or dissipate into a body with insufficent density to be a black hole. so a black hole probably wouldn't blow up like the big bang. But evaporate. or I guess dissipate.

I have no idea what happens to the matter that passes the event horizon, nobody does, and not like you can send a probe into it either. Probably gets shredded into base particles, protons, neutrons and electrons. But I dunno.

Big bang is not a explosion per-say. Its the pushing out/ expanding of material. I believe the same factor would/should be considered with a black hole. Being both have a common factor. That factor is a singularity. It was a singularity that created the Big Bang. And black holes them selves create singularities within their centers.

So It would not be far fetched to believe that the big bang was created by a former galaxies Giant black hole who governed it.
Hence Gravity is as important to existence as time it self.


PS.. Thanks for allowing me to debate the topic.
I love to challenge my thinking process with a good debate.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

Big bang is not a explosion per-say. Its the pushing out/ expanding of material. I believe the same factor would/should be considered with a black hole. Being both have a common factor. That factor is a singularity. It was a singularity that created the Big Bang. And black holes them selves create singularities within their centers.

So It would not be far fetched to believe that the big bang was created by a former galaxies Giant black hole who governed it.
Hence Gravity is as important to existence as time it self.


PS.. Thanks for allowing me to debate the topic.
I love to challenge my thinking process with a good debate.


Well the big bang was an explosion, if a supernova is an explosion, then so is the big bang. A super nova, releases, energy / matter, gas, and a shock wave, so its an explosion, the big bang, was the same.

And how would the big bang be created by a former universe giant black hole, there is no central giant black hole for the entire universe, the largest black holes are the ones at the centers of galaxies, and those aren't large enough to contain enough matter to create a second universe, it would be more reasonable to say that the big bang was caused by the collapse of an entire universe, everything in that universe even entire galaxies, super clusters, and great walls. that previous universe collapsed into a space so small it could probably fit though the head of a pin, then it rebounded outward as the big bang that created out universe.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

Big bang is not a explosion per-say. Its the pushing out/ expanding of material. I believe the same factor would/should be considered with a black hole. Being both have a common factor. That factor is a singularity. It was a singularity that created the Big Bang. And black holes them selves create singularities within their centers.

So It would not be far fetched to believe that the big bang was created by a former galaxies Giant black hole who governed it.
Hence Gravity is as important to existence as time it self.


PS.. Thanks for allowing me to debate the topic.
I love to challenge my thinking process with a good debate.


Well the big bang was an explosion, if a supernova is an explosion, then so is the big bang. A super nova, releases, energy / matter, gas, and a shock wave, so its an explosion, the big bang, was the same.

And how would the big bang be created by a former universe giant black hole, there is no central giant black hole for the entire universe, the largest black holes are the ones at the centers of galaxies, and those aren't large enough to contain enough matter to create a second universe, it would be more reasonable to say that the big bang was caused by the collapse of an entire universe, everything in that universe even entire galaxies, super clusters, and great walls. that previous universe collapsed into a space so small it could probably fit though the head of a pin, then it rebounded outward as the big bang that created out universe.



My mistake wen I said Galaxies I meant the super giant Black hole found at the center of the Universe. as for matter Matter wile being pushed out it creates something like a donut. If you study the matter you see as it climes it picks up speed, than slows back down.
Do to the gravitation force generated around the matter. in time a lot of that matter will indeed return to its center, creating a cycle of births and deaths of universe similar to how their is cycles to births and deaths of stars, or anything else out there including life forms like us.

Did I spell Donut Right? My English is not the best.
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My mistake wen I said Galaxies I meant the super giant Black hole found at the center of the Universe. as for matter Matter wile being pushed out it creates something like a donut. If you study the matter you see as it climes it picks up speed, than slows back down.
Do to the gravitation force generated around the matter. in time a lot of that matter will indeed return to its center, creating a cycle of births and deaths of universe similar to how their is cycles to births and deaths of stars, or anything else out there including life forms like us.

Did I spell Donut Right? My English is not the best.


What your looking for is the theory called "The Big Crunch"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch

Its where the expansion of the universe is eventually reversed and the universe recollapses.

However as it stands now the expansion of space time is accelerating due to dark energy. So it probably won't happen unless the acceleration stops and reverses.
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My mistake wen I said Galaxies I meant the super giant Black hole found at the center of the Universe. as for matter Matter wile being pushed out it creates something like a donut. If you study the matter you see as it climes it picks up speed, than slows back down.
Do to the gravitation force generated around the matter. in time a lot of that matter will indeed return to its center, creating a cycle of births and deaths of universe similar to how their is cycles to births and deaths of stars, or anything else out there including life forms like us.

Did I spell Donut Right? My English is not the best.


What your looking for is the theory called "The Big Crunch"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch

Its where the expansion of the universe is eventually reversed and the universe recollapses.

However as it stands now the expansion of space time is accelerating due to dark energy. So it probably won't happen unless the acceleration stops and reverses.


wrong I know of the big crunch. What I am thinking of is Something a little more advance than the big crunch. The Big Bounce http://www.sciencebuzz.org/blog/new-theory-block-big-bounce

In the end I am taking the Big Bounce theory one step further adding in the singularity factor to it. Evolving the theory to something more likely from what I know of the evidence we have at this time.

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wrong I know of the big crunch. What I am thinking of is Something a little more advance than the big crunch. The Big Bounce http://www.sciencebuzz.org/blog/new-theory-block-big-bounce

In the end I am taking the Big Bounce theory one step further adding in the singularity factor to it. Evolving the theory to something more likely from what I know of the evidence we have at this time.



I know of the big bounce, its an oscilation theory, where the big bang was caused by the big crunch of a previous universe. A period of contraction (previous universe big crunch) followed by a period of expansion (our universe big bang).

You seem to think tho that a giant black hole is sufficient in mass and density to cause a big bang, its not, no black hole in the universe is that big and has that much mass, not even the black holes at the center of galaxies are sufficient.

Although a big crunch would compress the universe into a black hole like singularity, and that would be sufficient.
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