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Arizona is getting serious with Illegal Immigration
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Posted 5/19/10
If you speak with an accent of any type the police can ask you for you proof of residency. What is wrong with enforcing law that are on the books. What if the government choose which laws to enforce maybe we as citizens should do the same. This a Republic laws matter not optional.
Posted 5/20/10

tarakelly wrote:

If you speak with an accent of any type the police can ask you for you proof of residency. What is wrong with enforcing law that are on the books. What if the government choose which laws to enforce maybe we as citizens should do the same. This a Republic laws matter not optional.


answer me this are you going to be pulled to see if your a citizen? I don't really think so your white after all just like I am but this gives unjust power to people that don't really need it. I have already stated we need immigration reform but we need a new way to do it, we need to stop depending on illegal immigrants to do our work like fast food or lawn work and maybe we cut down on some if we get off our asses and do it.
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Posted 5/20/10

tarakelly wrote:

If you speak with an accent of any type the police can ask you for you proof of residency. What is wrong with enforcing law that are on the books. What if the government choose which laws to enforce maybe we as citizens should do the same. This a Republic laws matter not optional.


Well at first police weren't allowed to enforce federal law. But now since this law has passed they are now able to enforce it and ask for proof of residency. If you dont have proof you could be held for hours like Cecil said. Unfortuantely Mexicans will be the only ones targeted because the problem is immigrants coming from Mexico.
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Weill not having Idea and no money there's a go chance to go to jail it is called vagrancy. Color not needed. if you speak with a English or Australian accent you best have papers green card as you know. whats the problem illegals get a free ride here go back a take care of own countries politics not bring them here. Mexico has vast resource and you let your politician police be bought off sounds like running away to me. Coming here if they do not do legally mean some body going about the right way is messed over but you probably do not care. I mean laws are just put on paper to keep you down and the man in power. It is amazing just how violent the liberals get and news turn a blind eye to it. Mexican lack back bone for standing up for there place in Mexico a trait that came from the French. So now drug gang rob take hostage and kill keep your trash down there. if your native born your Yo Mommas house then why do you spit on what your grandparent's did in the 56,60. The black community family was strong force economically and culture. the last generation sold out by Democrats offering a free ride. And now black community is struggling to become a shadow of it's former self. Wallace and those clowns new what there were doing. well if legal no problem correct. All they did is copy the Federal law so they can enforce it. Since this is about vote buying the O bama administration will not enforce the laws. Something to think about as the Spanish get bigger the black vote become less important. The Mexicans and Central Americans And Find out what Mexico dose with Central American You will see real violent police action against illegals. We are indited 13 trillion dollars but why care we should not honer laws correct? Between dead fish McCain and O'boma. Something this president needs to understand Honer, Integrity so far backroom deals and lying seem to be his character traits. Jimmy Cater was an idiot O boma just would choke on the truth. There are fare better black men in this country and can do a far better job. I do suspect there's dirt on him and the unions and others are using it.
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Posted 5/21/10

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...many people say illegals don't pay taxes and are taking American jobs.....

Actually illegal immigrants contribute more money to their communities through the taxes that they do pay (sales, property, etc) than that which they take away. Too bad I didn't write down the figures, but as an Arizonan I have been watching the news.


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There was a candidate president in his campaign mentioned that he will cut the number of illegal immigrants by cooperating with Mexico's government to increase the jobs of Mexican, incorporating with US companies, especially in northern Mexico.

It sounds like a solution at first glance. But then again, we all know what happens when corporations get into a country. They'd probably take over Mexico, breathe the life out of it, and then keep a strangle hold on it.


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If police ask me for identification, I will simply hand my ID over, they will see all is well and leave me alone. Where's the wrongous bit in the whole thing?

Not only is it more complicated than that, as darkphoenix mentioned, but it's also humiliating to be picked out of the crowd. There is no way that a "civilized" country like ours can pass something like this (I know AZ already has).
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Posted 5/21/10 , edited 5/21/10

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Ryutai-Desk wrote:

There was a candidate president in his campaign mentioned that he will cut the number of illegal immigrants by cooperating with Mexico's government to increase the jobs of Mexican, incorporating with US companies, especially in northern Mexico.


It sounds like a solution at first glance. But then again, we all know what happens when corporations get into a country. They'd probably take over Mexico, breathe the life out of it, and then keep a strangle hold on it.



Yeah, I realized this too, because it's considered as business not charity and we've seen the US imperialist's power in the part of southern America. To prevent that to be happened, both government should joint together and emphasize that the sole purpose is to prevent immigrants keep entering US and drug or human trafficking to increase. As well it focused only to Mexico people, especially those who lived and share border with US.

By implementing the rules and laws of economy to the future establishment of economy in Mexico's territory, the corporations won't get able to monopoly all its assets for its own, rather the Mexico's governments who have rights to regulate it, of course by being observed by US companies too. So they will watch each others to not breach the laws for business purposes but to minimize the number of immigrants.

The big picture might be like this, US governments and their companies establish their business in Mexico with permission from Mexico's governments with Mexicans as their primary workers. The capital would be come from US companies as the owner and the labor is Mexicans. The rules and regulations would be made by Mexico's governments as they know their people than US government, as who will be hired by companies. This way US governments will have 2 benefits, additional profits from their companies in Mexico and reducing the number of immigrants to US, as well reducing drug and human trafficking. And Mexico governments gain benefits by providing their people with jobs as well increasing their GDP and reducing crime rates. Might as well, Mexico will initially expanding the business which was started by US to their own. Well just some thought : )
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I think that this bill is simply designed to give racist cops a de jure excuse to discriminate against Mexican Americans. The guidelines for “reasonable suspicion,” are so vague that they can invent virtually anything. Yet, we all know the real reason they pulled you over and want your proof of citizenship. You are a Mexican.

If you really want to fight illegal immigration without discrimination just make this mandatory. Have police request proof of citizenship from everybody they pull over. Then you know there is no racial profiling and you are more effectively protecting the citizens.

Oh, but this sounds a little communistic. It is sacrificing individual convenience and rights for the overall benefit of the community. Will we really trade our liberty to drive around without handing out our social security card at regular intervals for a vague sense of security?

Perhaps I am more skeptical of this law because I want illegal immigrants to be welcomed. I want our immigration laws to be made so that these people can become legal citizens and do not have to immigrate illegally. This is the land of opportunity, this is our culture, our heritage, our history. I am proud of it, aren’t you? Isn’t this what you want for your nation? Have we forgotten the engraving on our statue of liberty?

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door

But alas, the government is obliged to protect the interests of its people. So while I would love to aid illegal immigrants I actually agree that our government needs to do something to stop them. Just like with abortion. Personally I think it is a good thing (early term abortions) but politically I think it should be illegal. Personally I am supportive of people trying to make it in the land of opportunity, but politically we need added security.

I propose a Great Wall of America comparable to the Berlin Wall in design. I also propose stricter laws and penalties beyond deportation. Finally, I think that our government should make this problem the problem of Mexico, El Salvador, and other nations allowing their citizens to illegall immigrate without taking adequate precautions to prevent this.

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I also want to briefly correct some misconceptions I see here:

Illegal immigration is not solely a problem originating in Mexico. Actually, most of the Mexican immigrants are relatively harmless. The real threat to our security, in terms of illegal immigration, comes largely from places like El Salvador.

Illegal immigration is good for our economy but bad for our citizens. This is just like capitalism. Capitalism engendered the industrial revolution, but this time of unimaginable economic growth and prosperity was also an era of immense suffering because the competition was too fierce. A man working to feed a family of four could not go as low on his paycheck as a man working to feed himself.

The same thing applies here. A man raising an American family on an American budget needs more money than a man raising a Mexican family on a Mexican budget. We cannot compete because the cost of living is higher for us. It is not because Mexicans are some kind of slave-race of mega-laborers. It is not because white people are naturally lazy swine. It is simple matter of location. Our dependents are located here where living is expensive, theirs live in Mexico where it is not.

However, employers benefit from cheap labor and as a result their companies grow. The economy expands and new jobs are created. Sadly, these jobs are also taken by illegal immigrants, the relatives of the last wave most likely, and the vicious cycle of growth and exclusion continuous.
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It is not unjust power, unjust power is gang war, sell of people narcotics why do you not step back and look at the whole Picture not just the small part your focusing on. Mexican are the problem coming across the board to do and it's against the law.Why not focus on them or your just blind to the facts. Common sense should prevail here not a emotional knee jerk the bill of rights are for US citizen. in this state the police can set up road block just to check of insurance and idea.. Look I am and always will be for legal immigration, and the one who come here know they have to carry a card. Companies that hire illegals should be shut down plain and simple..You write well but dam I bet half the police are of Mexican descent as well. Please get the racist verses bigot straight
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Well you live in AZ and watch the news then tell me this why are many Arizonians support the bill as many as 70%? Is it because they are racists? I mean if illegals bring all these wonderful things then all of Arizona would be up in arms right? Not only AZ but according to polls the that bill has more support across all of America. I heard Governor Jan Brewer on Faux News stating the illegals in AZ is costing the country millions of dollars. Whats your stance on this do we just leave the border open?

To me it seems like illegal immigration is a serious problem because if not AZ would welcome it. I am all for Legal immigration but illegal just seems unfair to me because many people want to come in this country but they cant they have to wait because they are doing it the legal way. As I stated what is the point of having laws if nobody enforces them. 460,000 thats way to many illegals.
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Posted 5/21/10 , edited 5/21/10
The truth is that most of the voting population of Arizona is supportive of SB1070. Despite the fact that we have many liberals in AZ, our state is still largely Republican. (Republican ideals are in tune with treating illegals immigrants quite harshly.) But I honestly think that if more Arizonans voted (yes, legal ones) then the scale would tip in Democrats' favor. EDIT: So basically Arizona's voting power is in the hands of the same group that it has been in for years. Voter turnout isn't so good right now. In order for our state's true voice to be heard people need to be encouraged to vote.

I agree with Ryutai-Desk. America and Mexico need to work out something together soon.

But it is inhumane to hunt down undocumented immigrants and haul them out of our country.
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This is a law that targets any non-white person, not just Hispanic people. It means it includes Asian and Middle Eastern people as well. I'm Asian American and I live in NY . I have an American passport and so do my brothers but last couple of times I went to Canada despite the fact I have an American passport, my brothers and I have been pulled over for about an hour. When I went with my white friends to Toronto, it was no problem at all. The fact of the matter is despite the technicalities of SB1070 that says racial profiling shouldn't be used, it will be because non whiteness is equated with non Americanness. It is not fair and it is not right. It's not just a "simple" five minute check on my papers, its demeaning and if it has to happen every day while it doesn't happen to my friends, yes it is a major problem. It's enough that I always get people asking what am i or where i'm from and when i answer new york or america, they want to know where I'm "really " from implying that I'm a foreigner.

Also I don't really see why it is a problem for an immigrant to be in the U.S. as long as they contribute to taxes, become naturalized later and learn English and become a contributing member to society. There has to be some starting point for people to better themselves as this country has always been made up of immigrants. Since I don't live in Arizona I suppose I don't have a firsthand account of the situation there however I did live near a Hispanic community. The only reason people turn to crime and drug trafficking is if other venues are closed to them especially job and educational opportunities or if they are ostracized by the majority. Its comparable to the minority situation in Japan. A lot of Japanese blame crime on Korean-Japanese but if they turn Koreans away from housing and respectable occupations, where can they turn to make a living but crime? It's a neverending vicious cycle.
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Posted 5/23/10 , edited 5/23/10

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The truth is that most of the voting population of Arizona is supportive of SB1070. Despite the fact that we have many liberals in AZ, our state is still largely Republican. (Republican ideals are in tune with treating illegals immigrants quite harshly.) But I honestly think that if more Arizonans voted (yes, legal ones) then the scale would tip in Democrats' favor. EDIT: So basically Arizona's voting power is in the hands of the same group that it has been in for years. Voter turnout isn't so good right now. In order for our state's true voice to be heard people need to be encouraged to vote.

I agree with Ryutai-Desk. America and Mexico need to work out something together soon.

But it is inhumane to hunt down undocumented immigrants and haul them out of our country.


Well what would you do with them ? got to put them somewhere. Can't keep them in a holding cell forever can you ? What are you gonna do build entire facilities to keep them ? Lol

The answer is really simple, deport them.

Gotta put them somewhere, might as well be back in there own country.
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Well what would you do with them ? got to put them somewhere. Can't keep them in a holding cell forever can you ? What are you gonna do build entire facilities to keep them ? Lol

The answer is really simple, deport them.

Gotta put them somewhere, might as well be back in there own country.

Simple. We should just leave them be.

If things start looking better in their own countries then undocumented people will go back on their own.
We have to solve the source of a problem, or its symptoms will never go away.
What's the point of throwing all our resources into deporting individuals who will probably cross the border again anyway?
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"Alright men, this is the order for deportation
First we be rounding up our tired,
then your poor,
then your huddled masses yearning to be free" Chief Wiggum, Simpson






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Posted 5/24/10

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Allhailodin wrote:
Well what would you do with them ? got to put them somewhere. Can't keep them in a holding cell forever can you ? What are you gonna do build entire facilities to keep them ? Lol

The answer is really simple, deport them.

Gotta put them somewhere, might as well be back in there own country.

Simple. We should just leave them be.

If things start looking better in their own countries then undocumented people will go back on their own.
We have to solve the source of a problem, or its symptoms will never go away.
What's the point of throwing all our resources into deporting individuals who will probably cross the border again anyway?


I understand where your coming from but still that is breaking the Law Izzo. I mean if this was North Korea and you cross that countries borders illegal hell you can serve up to 8 years in jail doing hard labor. Why cant they just do it the legal way? If the legal way is too complex then why wont our government come up with a new immigration reform? But we cant just leave things be I believe they are cheating the system like this. Here is a thought we should first secure our borders, I hate amnesty because it rewards bad behavior but for those who wants amnesty fine give it to the ones who live here already and make them pay all their back taxes.
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