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Arizona is getting serious with Illegal Immigration
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USA, land of the free... founded by immigrants... but suddenly immigrants are not so welcome anymore or to be more precise certain immigrants are not welcome anymore. USA, land of the free...
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I do believe in legal immigration but as of this time, pick and choose for starters, just being able to read and wrights in their own language would be good. Having skill or a trade would help as well. As for The Mexican problem they need to get their own country straighten out. As of now drug and people smuggling into this county has gotten too be in the billions dollar trade. Basically were getting the tastes of Mexico corruption. Mexico is not that poor of a nation the problem lies in the government itself. Walking across the boarded and taking spot away from somebody else trying to get in legally you tell me what should we do? As of now it is a national security problem then we could treat the Mexican like Mexico treat there illegal alien population?
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I do believe in legal immigration but as of this time, pick and choose for starters, just being able to read and wrights in their own language would be good. Having skill or a trade would help as well. As for The Mexican problem they need to get their own country straighten out. As of now drug and people smuggling into this county has gotten too be in the billions dollar trade. Basically were getting the tastes of Mexico corruption. Mexico is not that poor of a nation the problem lies in the government itself. Walking across the boarded and taking spot away from somebody else trying to get in legally you tell me what should we do? As of now it is a national security problem then we could treat the Mexican like Mexico treat there illegal alien population?


If there was no 'pick and choose' already, how come there are illegal immigrants?

How can there be a trade in trafficking people, when there are no barriers for immigrants? How can there be illegal immigrants, when there are no barriers?

The USA were founded by immigrants. The original people, the natives were nearly eradicated, even more so than in Southamerica. What right do these immigrants have to forbid immigration?
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By coming here they already broken the law in some case where a juvenile should be granted clemency Bout the parents need to go back and wait. The crime problem with the drug and smugglers has destroyed the boarding sates budget. they cannot just simple run money off a printing press like Washington doing. all state have budget and must stay within them. I asked question how do we deal with it do you have any good ideals, I am willing to listen to you. How do you control all the violence down there. so far I here complaining but no answers to my questions. Right now the government in Mexico needs to help with this problem not add to it. the Mexican Government needs to be overthrown by it own people or suffer along night mare until they do. When the gang have M-16 that came from us to the Mexican army not AR-15. Please tell me a fair and just way of dealing with this I am want a peace full solution but the a line to how much people are going to take here then violence will start to happen. And it will be some nobody that hates people and use it as a cause to justify there act. then tip for tap will happen human history not hard to understand. People that have committed felony crimes, hide in this sanitary cities or back to Mexico. There a long fence line that keep geting crossed over so there are barries. We also have laws inplace which are barrier as well. As for the wipping out other culters the Spanish and French, English were far more bruttal than use mutts here in the USA.
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To put into perspective and add a little humor to this thread.
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By coming here they already broken the law in some case where a juvenile should be granted clemency Bout the parents need to go back and wait. The crime problem with the drug and smugglers has destroyed the boarding sates budget. they cannot just simple run money off a printing press like Washington doing. all state have budget and must stay within them. I asked question how do we deal with it do you have any good ideals, I am willing to listen to you. How do you control all the violence down there. so far I here complaining but no answers to my questions. Right now the government in Mexico needs to help with this problem not add to it. the Mexican Government needs to be overthrown by it own people or suffer along night mare until they do. When the gang have M-16 that came from us to the Mexican army not AR-15. Please tell me a fair and just way of dealing with this I am want a peace full solution but the a line to how much people are going to take here then violence will start to happen. And it will be some nobody that hates people and use it as a cause to justify there act. then tip for tap will happen human history not hard to understand. People that have committed felony crimes, hide in this sanitary cities or back to Mexico. There a long fence line that keep geting crossed over so there are barries. We also have laws inplace which are barrier as well. As for the wipping out other culters the Spanish and French, English were far more bruttal than use mutts here in the USA.


"I asked question how do we deal with it do you have any good ideals, I am willing to listen to you. " - Tarakelly

One word, Education.
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Posted 6/21/10
Who pays and and will the Mexican government be willing to get there citizens better education a informed public would become a challenge for the Mexican government.
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tarakelly wrote:

Who pays and and will the Mexican government be willing to get there citizens better education a informed public would become a challenge for the Mexican government.


Rather than I tell you the answer, why don't you think more about it.
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Posted 6/23/10
I just found that on 4chan!!!!!!
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Posted 6/23/10
If your a native of the USA meaning born here, you do have your say,If your not one or illegal craw back under rock please. If a Mexican grow so balls and fight the corruption or are you two yellow for that
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"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"





DAMN IT!!!! YOU LIE!!!!! Statue of Liberty!
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Posted 8/14/10
Horrible discrimanatory law
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Posted 8/16/10 , edited 8/16/10
If the US was not in such of a $#%7 storm with wars, disasters, economy, health care, and foolish politics. We could help Mexico become a better country and not have illegal immigrants jump across the border, or better yet. Just make it easier to become a US citizen without jumping the border.
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Well jumping the borders means more Democratic votes. Mexico is not such a poor country will soon be at their level of politics and corruption. This give me and you will get my vote is turning this once great nation it a cesspool of corruption and flushing a person right to be a individual. I wont be around to see it but Communism or dictatorship. I beat it will be a dictatorship. That comment about wars is silly we have a great military just trash for politicians. Are economy would not have taken such a hard hit if politicians did not play in the housing market. Fanny may, Freddie mac, those seed planted with Carter the bottom feeder he become. Then Acorn a political group that put banks into a bind because percentage of money went to bad loans. The people that had 680 or less credit scores on the Fair Issac table, would have never gotten home loan with little to on money down.-------------------------------------------Storm's that a state issue if you notice the one city that got trashed was the only one where everything was done so poorly it was going to happen. In the 80's people knew this would happen and very little was done about it. People can Blame the Army Cour of engineers but most up grade where blocked by environmentalist. By the time the case went through the courts and approved the money was no longer there. Health Care is a joke politician one lied about the number of the uninsured and counting illegals as part of that group plus all the young people that did not want it.----------------------------People vote off a slogan and never do much checking and the press did not do there job if they did booth candidates would never been in the running. This electoral college is a real joke now. Winner take all votes does not represent all the people Basically we are a democracy and that spell death to any nation. Were the less informed less intelligent people can vote themselves a free ride. I would never ever higher people now I just make them subcontractors let them deal with the matching funds and the Tax code themselves. They may just start to understand why companies are moving out and taking THEIR jobs with them. If you did not creat your own job then it not your job for the clown that belive in that trash talk.
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I think many of the bases regarding the Arizona immigration law have been covered in this thread, but there are a few points I'd like to make.

I. First and foremost, the Federal Government's objection to Arizona's law has little to do with racial profiling (at this point) and more to do with the questionable constitutionality of the law. The Federal Government is asserting that Arizona's law violates the Supremacy Clause (Article VI, Clause II) which states;

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

In other words, the Federal Government has the final say in any issue. If a Federal Law conflicts with a State law, the Federal law wins out. In this case, the Arizona law conflicts with federal immigration laws and consequently it conflicts with the Constitution.

II. As we all know many of the illegal immigrants are from Mexico and currently, Mexico is one of the least stable nations in the world (according to the National Security Estimate, which is an annual report compiled from various U.S. intelligence agencies given to the President). Of course, the reasons for Mexico's instability comes from the drug cartels. Interestingly enough, 85% of all guns in Mexico were made in the U.S. and a large portion of the drug money made by the cartels' come from U.S. citizens who purchase the illegal products. As Americans we're partially responsible for our neighboring nation's plight. Perhaps if we were to stop buying illegal drugs and stop companies from selling guns to Mexico, that would decrease the violence and therefor decrease the flow of illegal immigrants.

III. I'm sure you've heard the phrase 'they take our jobs.' Fact is, American companies are hiring those illegal immigrants and know full well of their citizenship status. So you should be boycotting the companies that are hiring them. If they didn't hire them, they wouldn't come, or at least in the #s they are now.

IV. Contrary to popular belief, the illegal immigrant population has decreased in recent years. According to politifact.com,
"The whole story is better reflected in the total estimated population of illegal immigrants in the United States. Using monthly Census data, the Center for Immigration Studies estimated that "the illegal population declined 13.7 percent (1.7 million) from a peak of 12.5 million in the summer of 2007 to 10.8 million in the first quarter of 2009." This is similar to DHS estimates, which also saw a downward trend from a peak of 11.8 million in 2007 to 10.8 million in 2009"

Personally I find the Arizona law to be questionable and ineffective as it doesn't solve the root problem but that's just my opinion and analysis of the situation.

Edit: Mexicans are trying to clean up their country, but one of the top tier reform Presidential Candidates was murdered along with a half dozen or so high profile anti-cartel candidates. They try, and then they die.
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