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Made this thread to lay out one condition to crunchyroll about the Bleach fansubs. I might get banned or this thread might get locked, but if we don't stand up and say what we want as members, crunchyroll will never listen. So here's what I think about the bleach fansubs....

I think bleach on crunchyroll would be great on one condition and it's that one thing that's keeping crunchyroll to overtake fansubbing. Fansubbers have better vid quality, sound quality etc. but no one cares too much about those things. It's the translation that's holding crunchyroll back.
It doesn't matter how much CR tries to avoid it, the only way for it to become the new way of watching your favourite anime, is if they get GOOD TRANSLATION. Crunchyroll wants to get rid of fansubbers and offer a legal alternative. Fansubbers offer much better translation and they're free, no one takes a worser deal that they have to pay for over a good deal that's free. I think Bleach would be really great to have on crunchyroll providing the translation is good.

Now there's 2 ways CR could do that:

- You could employ DB Fansubs to fansub for the site. This would be very advantageous as the whole DB fanbase would shift over to crunchyroll, that way everyone wins and crunchyroll now has a much bigger fanbase.

- The second option would be to employ better tv tokyo translators. Now this would maybe be more expensive but if crunchyroll laid it out like this to it's members. "We're raising the price for membership so that we can offer higher quality fansubs", i'm sure there would be no arguments and your members would be much more happy and fansubbers would have nothing over CR.

Please consider this crunchyroll. You may choose to ignore this but eventually you're going to have to make this move if you really want to get rid of fansubbers.

Please reply with your opinions, if this thread gets big enough, crunchyroll will have to listen.
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Posted 5/30/10
Whilst the official subtitles aren't exactly perfect, am I the only person who prefers them to most fansubs?

Seriously, going back to Dattebayo's release of the latest Shippuden movie a month or so ago, it threw me off so badly.

The only real issues I ever had with Dattebayo were overcolloquialisation and putting in FAR too much swearing.
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What was your problem with DB's latest Naruto movie release? Just curious
And why do you prefer crunchy subs? Any reason?
And I didn't say CR subs are THAT bad, but if CR wants to win over almost the entire anime fanbase, then it needs to get it's act straight and provide a much better offer to its members.
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Your first suggestion is something that CR business partners doesn't like... It's like asking them to accept profit loss since Fansubs are much more superior than official subs.

Your second suggestion is good but you are asking kids to pay more than usual. Moreover, the problem lies not in poorly translated subs but the overall quality must be improve.

EDIT: And also, the license holders/anime makers tend to save face by not employing fansubbers since accepting them is already a sign of defeat.
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DB does not have better video or audio quality than CR. Most of the subs on CR are fine imo. I can name a handful of grammar errors but that's a handful out of like 1000 videos. Even with that, seeing "it's" instead of "its" doesn't ruin a sub or make it incomprehensible imo. CR subs are fine to me. They're easy to see, easy to read and easy to understand. That's all I really need from a translation. Adding in wanton profanity or some lame/racist/homophobic joke at the beginning of every episode isn't a bonus imo, it's a turn off.

CR will never win over the entire anime fanbase or put an end to fansubbing and I don't think they're trying to. There's a large portion who simply refuse to watch something legally, whether it be paying for it or watching a 15 second ad on a streaming site. That's just how they are and they'll probably never change and anything that supports a licensor or creator in any way is a major turn off to them. I think CR is aimed at people who will watch it legally if it's available, whether that be paying or watching a free stream with commercials.
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Well tbh your write sickvisionz...guess I was wasting my time.
Anyone know exactly the difference betwen CR subs and DB subs? I'm hearing all sorts of different things like DB is WAY SUPERIOR to CR just translates attack names into english. Is there anyone who actually knows japanese and english very well that can tell me the difference?
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Posted 5/30/10 , edited 5/30/10

narutard4life wrote:

Well tbh your write sickvisionz...guess I was wasting my time.
Anyone know exactly the difference betwen CR subs and DB subs? I'm hearing all sorts of different things like DB is WAY SUPERIOR to CR just translates attack names into english. Is there anyone who actually knows japanese and english very well that can tell me the difference?
Thanks


Honestly CR subs aren't terrible as most people put it out to be... People hate them because CR tends to localize their subs, don't use flashy fonts, or make karaoke for OP/ED themese (because we seriously need these /sarcasm), and doesn't spice up their fonts with swear words.

The only reason why most people find attacks said in Japanese cooler is because for them it isn't their main language (English). *Protip Its vice versa for the Japanese people too.

Anyways it doesn't really matter who subs what to me anymore because to me the majority of today's generation of Japanese cartoons sucks (I'll just stick with Japanese/Korean comics and Kamen Rider).
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Posted 5/30/10
lol kinda funny since I always wondered what the point of karoke was in fansubs - it's useless
localization - who cares?
pizzazi fonts - I like it simple, I watch anime to watch the anime, not stare at pretty fonts.
If those really are the only differences, then fans are pathetic
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I always liked the DB subs over the CR ones for Naruto. Everytime I have to read Village Hidden in the Leaf instead of just Konoha I cringe a little bit. I also think DB does a slightly better job of carrying emotions better than CR. CR's are not a bad sub but improvements can be made.
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Also from what I read on DB's website they are more than willing to help CR in subbing Bleach all they would have to do is ask but as we all know that probably won't happen.
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lol that's why I made the topic, I saw the news post and thought that I should try my best because even though it's not likely to happen. If people actually TRY to get this to happen it might just happen, even though the chances are low.
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Well i personally would love if CR would hire Dattebayo for Bleach and if they do that why not hand over Naruto to them as well, just a suggestion, on the second part of what narutard4life said CR could do is what i'm not OK with, first of if the fan base of Dattebayo were to transfer to CR, I really don't see why should they raise the price for the membership because from what i see it's a rare week when the download of the bleach episodes get under 200 thousand before even 300 thousand, so with that extra number of people subscribing to CR i don't see why they should raise the price and i'm not saying CR will get 200 thousand new members from DB because a lot of people who download bleach currently, most probably are members of CR but i'm pretty sure they can get close to 100 thousand or more if they give Naruto and Bleach to them to sub. I watch Naruto here but i also watch the one from Taka just for the better translation, if CR offers a better option i wouldn't do that and gladly pay for a premium membership.

Just a humble opinion...
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Posted 5/30/10

narutard4life wrote:

What was your problem with DB's latest Naruto movie release? Just curious
And why do you prefer crunchy subs? Any reason?
And I didn't say CR subs are THAT bad, but if CR wants to win over almost the entire anime fanbase, then it needs to get it's act straight and provide a much better offer to its members.

Well, I suppose I actually dislike the fact that attack names are left in Japanese. Yes, okay, the 'hardcore' fanbase will understand it, but that's not the point- subtitling anime is supposed to make it simple to follow for people who DON'T know Japanese, without having to read a million translation notes.

Also, I think they had the word 'shit' thrown in the movie a couple of times- a word I personally deem too strong for any word ever used in Naruto.

But yeah- two biggest examples that spring to mind in terms of over-Americanisation or extreme swearing? When Naruto sees Deidara sitting on Gaara's corpse in the Rescuse Gaara arc- "I'm gonna fucking kill you!" is just too much. Kids watch the show, for crying out loud, age rating or not, and it's not going to do the show's reputation any favours if parents see their kids watching something with language like that in it. Okay, official subtitles have 'Bastard' in a few times, but still, it's hardly as extreme as the aforementioned line.

And when Sakura punched Sai, Naruto asked (in the DB version), "How can you just smile after getting decked like that?" Decked? I'd never heard that term before in my life, and haven't heard it since (I live in the UK). It'd be nice if they didn't use such region-specific slang terms that leave non-US people wondering what the hell they're talking about at times, too.

Yes, I'll agree that sometimes official subtitles are too much in 'proper' English, but Dattebayo's subs were too far the other way.
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lol I don't remember them saying decked in that part, probably wasn't concentrating but that's a uk slang word if you want to know.
Yeah I guess instead of shit they could say damn, that's true. But tbh naruto is violent anyway, they might aswell censor the violence too if they're gonna change words to suit a younger audience, but nevermind that.
And lol chris, I forgot if the fanbase of DB moved over that would account for any extra money needed to get better quality subs, my bad.
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I live in the UK and I've never, ever, EVER heard anyone say 'decked' in that context. D:

But it's not a case of them 'toning down' the language- In Japanese, they ARE saying 'damn'. I just have issues with them toning UP the swearing, or adding it in as they did in some cases.
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