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i thought paganisum was the first religion?......o well....anyways i was christened when i was a baby but i have no religious beliefs
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I'd have to agree, we live in a world where if you practice a certain faith or you don't dress a certain way...your made fun of, and rejected.

The priest at our church has a Baptist uncle...who does something in his church....can't remember...but he told out class that even though they share different beliefs, they're still family and respect each others' faith.....

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Eheh...welllllllllllllll...I'm half Baptist does that count?? lol
<------- -cough- trying to made a bad joke -cough-
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but it's okey as long as you believe that jesus is our saviour and messiah!!
anwway...^__^(pls EDIT and don't double post>__<)

yah i know so its okey^__^
but if you speak more catholic things i think you should go to that thread^__^
i just want to tell you that there is also a catholic thread...
sorry if your offended^__^

(back to the topic guys) heheh
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^ what many people have yet to understand is the change in the Church's beliefs, especially come the 2nd Vatican Council back in 1962. Among many revisions made to the doctines of the curch, the most important "improvements" include the promotion of the ecumenical nature of the church, and the dissuation from the so-called "claim to salvation". Before the council, the Roman Catholic church was closed to protestant views, and saw themselves as the sole vessel to salvation.

Thanks to the Efforts of Pope John Paul I in the 2nd Vatican council, the church finally "opened it's doors" and embraced other religions and christian denominations.

This philosophy is still making it's way through its christian followers, so forgive some people who still think Christianity is the sole means to salvation. I, for one, have come to see great respect in followers of other religions, and have come to understand that one can be saved even if he/she has never come to know who Jesus Christ is. :)

So for those who think Christians are still stubborn, weak and close-minded people, think again. The Church is still evolving and learning, and embracing the changes it is facing in the modern world. In the end, it isn't belief, but faith that remains. :)

EDIT: just so ishiro doesn't scold me (hehe), Pope John I invited leaders from the various Christian denominations (evangelical, baptist, etc) to discuss the current situation of Christianity in the world today (or 1962 as it was then). Many of the tennents that were established during the council (One very famous one being Gaudium et Spes) are universally recognized by various Christian denominations as the vision of Christianity in the modern age.
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You know what, I'm fucking tired of God. He takes credit of things people work their asses off for... seriously. The drug dealers turning to God, is just bull shit... THEY were the ones to change themselves, except they took the cheap way out and turned to a "belief" to change them. All these Christian societies helping people in need, they work their asses off and they're letting God take the credit? And it's one hell of a good way to "lure" people into believing God, and that God answered their prayers or something, too bad it's the PEOPLE who answered their prayers... It's just wrong to help people out in their time of need, helping them with religion. It's chewing up the food, and shoving it down their throats, they won't notice a thing, but it's still shoving it imo.

Religion helps people, but it also hurts people. They're believing in things, they shouldn't be. Hell, if you were dieing of starvation and of course you're not thinking right, I come to you with food from a society called "Xenu Loves" and tell you that Xenu, instead of God, has answered your prayers. Hell, you're probably going to ditch your belief in God, and change to Xenu, and you'll be so grateful to Xenu, you'll probably never thing negatively of him, thus making you unable to recognize that Xenu is just bull shit. I know
"Scientology" may be different from "Christianity" but neither of them have 100% credibility. Flame me all you want, give me bad excuses for it happening, my thought will most likely not change.
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You know what, I'm fucking tired of God. He takes credit of things people work their asses off for... seriously. The drug dealers turning to God, is just bull shit... THEY were the ones to change themselves, except they took the cheap way out and turned to a "belief" to change them. All these Christian societies helping people in need, they work their asses off and they're letting God take the credit? And it's one hell of a good way to "lure" people into believing God, and that God answered their prayers or something, too bad it's the PEOPLE who answered their prayers... It's just wrong to help people out in their time of need, helping them with religion. It's chewing up the food, and shoving it down their throats, they won't notice a thing, but it's still shoving it imo.

Religion helps people, but it also hurts people. They're believing in things, they shouldn't be. Hell, if you were dieing of starvation and of course you're not thinking right, I come to you with food from a society called "Xenu Loves" and tell you that Xenu, instead of God, has answered your prayers. Hell, you're probably going to ditch your belief in God, and change to Xenu, and you'll be so grateful to Xenu, you'll probably never thing negatively of him, thus making you unable to recognize that Xenu is just bull shit. I know
"Scientology" may be different from "Christianity" but neither of them have 100% credibility. Flame me all you want, give me bad excuses for it happening, my thought will most likely not change.


hey!! dont talk bad about it!!
God uses people to help other people.. so they thanked god!! it's good that
drug pushers changed and started to believe...
anyway..(i'll just stop it here cause my father is getting angry at me for not sleeping this
hour...well it's 1 am here so i need to sleep...)
edsamac i really think you need to reply to this...
or any christians out there.. he says bad things hey!!!^^^....
anyway guys gudnyt!!^__^(shessh....)
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^ Then what about the "Xenu Loves" society (which isn't real, but just imagine), who sent them? They don't even believe in God, so really, who sent them? They think Xenu did, and the Christian societies think God did. I guess we're in a sticky situation, who really sent them?
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HokiePokie wrote:

Religion helps people, but it also hurts people.


Ironically, same thing goes with many things in life. I won't force you to see things my way, but I think it means a lot for people to completely change their way in life. For your drug pusher example, I don't think it's giving them justice when you belittle their effort to change. You say human effort is involved, and yet you say their conversion is bullshit. Is it because you think it's impossible for people like that to change?

If that's the case, the greatest cause for any Christian believer to believe is the fact that life has so many second chances. Fine, say that the chances are due to other peoples' efforts, or the effort of the individual himself... but its a question of what pushes that person to change, or to ellicit change.

Me, I can't think of it. Why would someone offer me food when I'm starving and about to die? In answer to your example, of course I'd thank the person who'd offer me food, but the greater, more dire question to ask, is why that person would give me food? What moves that person to pity me so? If it's to force me to enter a religious denomination, then the analogy works in favor with God. He gives us that which sustains us in our life, so that we may continue to live. It's not about who gets what in the end, it's about that chance.

I don't know if I'm making sense, and you can flame me for being a quixotic, emotional dolt who trusts in an entity that doesn't even show himself to us. Fine, call me foolish... but there was someone who lived 2000 years ago that taught us everything we need to know in order to live. It's a way beyond the understanding of this world, and one I've come to grips with. He's hard to understand, he's hard to digest, but he speaks truth, nonetheless.

I don't want to make you believe... I simply want to make you understand. And I think I understand your point of view, hokie, and I respect that. In the end, It's not about proving who's right and who's wrong. I think in the end, it's living for something that we felt was something worth dying for. I live for my God, and you live with the trust in yourself and your capabilities. Both sound fine to me, and I believe it's this understanding that should perpetuate between Christians and Non-Christians alike.
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edsamac wrote:


HokiePokie wrote:

Religion helps people, but it also hurts people.


Ironically, same thing goes with many things in life. I won't force you to see things my way, but I think it means a lot for people to completely change their way in life. For your drug pusher example, I don't think it's giving them justice when you belittle their effort to change. You say human effort is involved, and yet you say their conversion is bullshit. Is it because you think it's impossible for people like that to change?

If that's the case, the greatest cause for any Christian believer to believe is the fact that life has so many second chances. Fine, say that the chances are due to other peoples' efforts, or the effort of the individual himself... but its a question of what pushes that person to change, or to ellicit change.

Me, I can't think of it. Why would someone offer me food when I'm starving and about to die? In answer to your example, of course I'd thank the person who'd offer me food, but the greater, more dire question to ask, is why that person would give me food? What moves that person to pity me so? If it's to force me to enter a religious denomination, then the analogy works in favor with God. He gives us that which sustains us in our life, so that we may continue to live. It's not about who gets what in the end, it's about that chance.

I don't know if I'm making sense, and you can flame me for being a quixotic, emotional dolt who trusts in an entity that doesn't even show himself to us. Fine, call me foolish... but there was someone who lived 2000 years ago that taught us everything we need to know in order to live. It's a way beyond the understanding of this world, and one I've come to grips with. He's hard to understand, he's hard to digest, but he speaks truth, nonetheless.

I don't want to make you believe... I simply want to make you understand. And I think I understand your point of view, hokie, and I respect that. In the end, It's not about proving who's right and who's wrong. I think in the end, it's living for something that we felt was something worth dying for. I live for my God, and you live with the trust in yourself and your capabilities. Both sound fine to me, and I believe it's this understanding that should perpetuate between Christians and Non-Christians alike.


Hmmm... I read that quite faster than I thought O.o... Anyways, I'm not saying it's impossible for them to change. It's 100% possible for them to change, but I find it sad how they have to turn to a belief to be able to get out of it. And as for the example thing, you probably won't be thinking those things, because starvation and all those other things that come with it, have already taken their toll on you. You're most of the time not going to think those things such as that, almost dying of starvation all you can think about is food. And the person who helped you, says God sent them to help you. Now that you're not thinking brightly at all, you'll probably think (if you're somehow not an extremely well thinking person in starvation), "God helped me, and that one Christian dude/dudette helped me..." and of course as I said before, you're life has been saved. And you'll probably never think negatively of the things that "helped" you.

BTW, I hope you guys aren't thinking I'm forcing you guys to believe in what I believe O.o, I'm just saying my thoughts.. believe if you want >.<. I'm just saying my thoughts.... no need to believe, just read if you wish! :3
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HokiePokie wrote:


edsamac wrote:


HokiePokie wrote:

Religion helps people, but it also hurts people.


Ironically, same thing goes with many things in life. I won't force you to see things my way, but I think it means a lot for people to completely change their way in life. For your drug pusher example, I don't think it's giving them justice when you belittle their effort to change. You say human effort is involved, and yet you say their conversion is bullshit. Is it because you think it's impossible for people like that to change?

If that's the case, the greatest cause for any Christian believer to believe is the fact that life has so many second chances. Fine, say that the chances are due to other peoples' efforts, or the effort of the individual himself... but its a question of what pushes that person to change, or to ellicit change.

Me, I can't think of it. Why would someone offer me food when I'm starving and about to die? In answer to your example, of course I'd thank the person who'd offer me food, but the greater, more dire question to ask, is why that person would give me food? What moves that person to pity me so? If it's to force me to enter a religious denomination, then the analogy works in favor with God. He gives us that which sustains us in our life, so that we may continue to live. It's not about who gets what in the end, it's about that chance.

I don't know if I'm making sense, and you can flame me for being a quixotic, emotional dolt who trusts in an entity that doesn't even show himself to us. Fine, call me foolish... but there was someone who lived 2000 years ago that taught us everything we need to know in order to live. It's a way beyond the understanding of this world, and one I've come to grips with. He's hard to understand, he's hard to digest, but he speaks truth, nonetheless.

I don't want to make you believe... I simply want to make you understand. And I think I understand your point of view, hokie, and I respect that. In the end, It's not about proving who's right and who's wrong. I think in the end, it's living for something that we felt was something worth dying for. I live for my God, and you live with the trust in yourself and your capabilities. Both sound fine to me, and I believe it's this understanding that should perpetuate between Christians and Non-Christians alike.


Hmmm... I read that quite faster than I thought O.o... Anyways, I'm not saying it's impossible for them to change. It's 100% possible for them to change, but I find it sad how they have to turn to a belief to be able to get out of it. And as for the example thing, you probably won't be thinking those things, because starvation and all those other things that come with it, have already taken their toll on you. You're most of the time not going to think those things such as that, almost dying of starvation all you can think about is food. And the person who helped you, says God sent them to help you. Now that you're not thinking brightly at all, you'll probably think (if you're somehow not an extremely well thinking person in starvation), "God helped me, and that one Christian dude/dudette helped me..." and of course as I said before, you're life has been saved. And you'll probably never think negatively of the things that "helped" you.

BTW, I hope you guys aren't thinking I'm forcing you guys to believe in what I believe O.o, I'm just saying my thoughts.. believe if you want >.<. I'm just saying my thoughts.... no need to believe, just read if you wish! :3


If you're just expressing what you think, that's fine. We're just doing the same thing. In any case, God can't show himself to us humans. If he did, we would die because of how powerful he is, so he works through humans to do his will. That's why Christianity exists.
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hmmmmm.......what is humanitys need to believe in god?
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^ Hmm are you even Christian? Lol? Just so I can get a picture of the point of view you're coming from.

^^ Darklion, I know it's just a "thought" of mine, but I'd be nice if you answered the question >.<, of who sent who. I'm not asking if God can show himself to us, it's just who sent the help? Would God guide Scientologists and Christians to help people in need and push their religion on them, or did Xenu (which I'm not sure if he has the power to do so..) guide them and the Christians. Both really can't exist.
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amanda233 wrote:

hmmmmm.......what is humanitys need to believe in god?


Just faith to believe that he exists and helps those who follow him.


HokiePokie wrote:

^ Hmm are you even Christian? Lol? Just so I can get a picture of the point of view you're coming from.

^^ Darklion, I know it's just a "thought" of mine, but I'd be nice if you answered the question >.<, of who sent who. I'm not asking if God can show himself to us, it's just who sent the help? Would God guide Scientologists and Christians to help people in need and push their religion on them, or did Xenu (which I'm not sure if he has the power to do so..) guide them and the Christians. Both really can't exist.


Though I'm really not sure that I can accurately answer that, the original messenger/sender of help was Jesus because he showed the world the way. After he left Earth, the disciples and apostles took over and spread the word across the world. The rest is history.

Whether or not Xenu exists can be disputed, but I personally do not believe he does. I believe in God, as you all know. Even though God can influence people to believe in something, so can Satan. He's the reason why so many cults and false religions exist. It's like my parents used to say, "God works in mysterious ways,"
so yes, he can use Christians, Scientologists, or anyone he wants if it means teaching someone the right way to live, even if they aren't followers of him.

I hope that helps.
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^ Sooooooooooooooo...... true...... I post too much... >.<
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