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Its a stereotype that when you say "christian", people think baptist or born again.
Its a misconception that just because you have a religion based on Christ, you are a christian.

Christianity is not a religion. Its a state of being a person who's accepted Christ as Lord and Savior. You can not go to church and say that you're chrisitian if you have a personal relationship with God.

You can hear mass/service every sunday, sing in a choir, help poor people and memorize saints and their praayers, but still not be christian.
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Affliction420 wrote:

I thought that

Catholics believed that the only one that can speak to "God" is Mary

Protestants believe on a personal relationship with "God"

thats what my World religions teacher described it as, but I really wouldn't put too much faith in her she showed up to class high almost every day...


It's a little more complicated. The catholic church was basically a financial/political organization that relied on keeping the public ignorant about the actual contents of the bible to keep control. They literally told Kings how to run their countries, and had cash flowing in from all of europe.

Then this guy (a former monk), used education and an open mind in pursuit of truth (relative to the time) and defied the most powerful force in the western world at the time. He even translated the Bible into a modern language the common people could read. (back then , even the mass was in latin... what good is that going to do?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_luther

The catholic church never really recovered. They've reformed themselves a great deal since then, but much of what Luther pointed out is still true even today. There have been other reformers who've come along, but Luther was one of the first and most significant.

Are catholics christian? I think as long as the believe in the death and the resurrection of Christ as atonement for their sins (and the need for such act), as well as dvinity of Christ, sure, they're christians. That's the key belief that would make someone christian. The rest is just details really.
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arckham:^^ you have a point...
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hmms...
used 2 b a christian.
since pri sch dn i stop bein a christian liaoos.
i tot it is jz sum belief.
bt nw, cum 2 tink of it.
iznt science a belief 2?
so nw i tink bof r nice.
science cre8s miracles.
christianity brings ppl 2geder.
bof r nice lahhs.
xD
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Posted 6/16/07
and the word of the day is hypocrite...
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well science is another matter...
were talking about religion here!!....
no!! i dont think science creates miracles!!
cause people study to make new things and search to discover...

guys pls stop posting nonsense things..^....i think your spamming....
it's getting OT!!
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Posted 6/16/07

wushuWHOOSH wrote:

hmms...
used 2 b a christian.
since pri sch dn i stop bein a christian liaoos.
i tot it is jz sum belief.
bt nw, cum 2 tink of it.
iznt science a belief 2?
so nw i tink bof r nice.
science cre8s miracles.
christianity brings ppl 2geder.
bof r nice lahhs.
xD


Sweet jesus, do you even speak english?

This is why I mourn for the future.
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stained-rose wrote:

catholics believe in Mary. and Christians believe in Jesus. I don't get why no one understands this. Their 2 VERY defiferent religions. Even the bibles are different.


That's a very crude way of defining it. Catholics are christians to begin with, so their belief is with God the Father who came to man in the form of his Son, so that he may bestow upon us the graces of eternal life and the gifts of the Holy Spirit. This is fundamental to all Christians and doesn't change (except for non-Trinitarian denominations... in that case, either one of the three may be followed).

Strictly speaking, the Roman Catholic church sees Mary as the Immaculate Mother of God (the Son, not the Father. People always confuse this) and was so chosen by God to bear his Most Holy son (I'm starting to sound like a book here... ) and so it is right to give her adoration (very different from praise, mind you).

Other Christian denominations follow tenants from the Catholic religion with some exceptions (since the birth of Protestantianism and all other forms of evangelical christianhood are all from the Catholic church). Usually, the differences come from discrepancies in worship (not venerating saints or adoring Mary is an example) and removal of certain Holy Sacraments (e.g. there is not Confession in most Non-Catholic denominations).

With what I described, I hope it's clear that the difference is not as blunt as you put it. We're similar in doctrine, but relatively different in practice. As with the "bible" difference ~ there is no large difference. The Catholic faith accepts specific texts (e.g. Good News Bible, New American Bible, New Jerusalem Bible) while the evangelical Christian groups use other texts (not sure of the name). The biggest difference between the two is the inclusion of dueterocanonicals in some versions of the Catholic bible (special texts that were included as supplementary texts). Besides this, both the Catholic bible and evangelical Christian bible have the same content. Even the smallest of differences is simply cosmetic. :)


wushuWOOSHwrote:
hmms...
used 2 b a christian.
since pri sch dn i stop bein a christian liaoos.
i tot it is jz sum belief.
bt nw, cum 2 tink of it.
iznt science a belief 2?
so nw i tink bof r nice.
science cre8s miracles.
christianity brings ppl 2geder.
bof r nice lahhs.
xD


Oh god, I could hardly understand what you wrote. Please write in straight english next time... avoid the short hand terms. Belief? True, religion is a belief, but it is also a faith, first and foremost. The two are very different realms. Belief works on the structure of reason, while faith is on the structure of faith itself. Faith and Reason are both inherent in religion, so having too much of one is what leads to most problems in religion.

Too much belief and too little faith leads to a very self-righteous religious life - putting more emphasis on knowledge of the practice of faith than the actual meaning it holds. Most people like this have brittle religious conviction, for when something else comes to shatter their belief, they easily fall.

To much faith, on the other hand, leads to religious piety and fatalism. Trusting too much on God to do what needs to be done is unhealthy, and leaving too little room to actually question one's faith is a recipe for pain and frustration. You'll live a bitter religious life, living with a God you will never see or never understand fully with your human mind.
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^^the thing i agreed on specificly was
Christians:
dont's do sign of a cross...dont belive in statues...
catholics: do the sign of the cross...pray the rosary....most of them pray in memorized prayer...believe in satues..that's why they're kinda different in these areas...^__^(yah you sound like a book.. hehe)

we had an bibble study yesterday and well
we discussed about the genesis...
i newly learned the punishment God gave to women was the pain of childbirthing...
well i didn't realized that^__^..heheh
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edsamac wrote:

Other Christian denominations follow tenants from the Catholic religion with some exceptions (since the birth of Protestantianism and all other forms of evangelical christianhood are all from the Catholic church). Usually, the differences come from discrepancies in worship (not venerating saints or adoring Mary is an example) and removal of certain Holy Sacraments (e.g. there is not Confession in most Non-Catholic denominations).



Initially, protestant denominations were based on catholicism. Now most newer denominations are based on the early the early church and epistles.
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^ ^ Well, I'll challenge you on the "memorized prayer" bit. I was raised with a Jesuit education, so our prayer is far from memorized or ritualized prayer.

The Ignatian (st. Ignacius, founder of the Society of Jesus and the Jesuits) form of prayer is known as the EXAMEN. It's like a big "review" of the day you had by meditating on one's own experiences. I usually start by saying a little prayer of grace ~ it's a begging from God of a grace that you know you can't achieve on your own. Mine is: "I pray, God, that I may see, know, and understand myself the way You see, know, and understand me."

And then, like I movie, I play the events of my day... I savor the moments and stick to times where I felt a certain emotion. I ponder on why that emotion was elicited and I focus and try to understand it. Eventually, once I have "named" the emotion, I "claim" it as my own. No more denial, just acceptance. And in the end, I ask God to help me "tame" this emotion.

The EXAMEN is a very good spiritual exercise to give one guidance in how we relate to the world. Ignacius believed that God is in the world (Genesis ~ For God created the world out of his love, and his love is in the world), so how we interact with God's creation is room for us to contemplate on our own existence.

He was well ahead of his time, and many other Catholic sects ridiculed him for his practices. I could rant on further about his life and his deeds, but I'll just bore you guys to death. :P

Pray to statues? Look beyond the statues and you'll see a life worth giving recognition to. St. Ignacius is just one of them, and I pray for guidance from God that I may follow a life like his. Think of them as "role models" that we look up to. :)

Sign of the Cross? I think it's a beautiful symbol. It speaks of Jesus' transforming power. From Revelation: "Behold... I make all things new." From a symbol of oppression and death, Jesus transformed the cross to become a symbol of Love and God's eternal promise ~ that his Will be Done, and the Prophecy of the coming of his Son be fulfilled. Every time I look at the cross, I remember Jesus' suffering and pain that he endured for us. It was his love that pushed him to do what he did. That is what makes this symbol so beautiful. :)

Well, I hope I'm making sense.
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^^sign of the cross....i mean when they pray they first do the sign of the cross...(pattern: head then stomoch then left shoulder and then right shoulder..)
well when i was catholic i don't understand what the priests said but when i was in our youth i undrstand him better...
well there's good things about catholic though^__^...and still i know there's a part of me that's still catholic(actually it's kinda confusng when your catholic and you go to a christian church and get confused which religion are you in to...)
when i was in the process in choosing....i didn't go to church... i just stayed at home but i still pray half the memorized prayer which was god the father, angel of god after that i talk to god about my day and thanks and request...
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^ The sign of the cross is just that ~ a reminder that "we are in the most holy presence of God". Sure, there are those people that do it real quickly and it looks so mechanical... but sometimes, you can really feel it... hehe. Now people will think I'm some kind of weirdo...

Well, I don't blame people for thinking we catholics are a little too traditional... because maybe, we are. But there are many new insights that the catholic religion has been gaining, and many of these I've learned from the Jesuits. Let's say my religious convictions have been "refreshed" thanks to them. :)

Tell me, is it true that "Christians" (sorry, I really don't feel comfortable using the term, because I, myself, am a Christian, but a Christian Catholic) think that people who don't believe in Jesus (christianity) will go to hell? One of my Born Again friends keeps pestering my Buddhist friend because she says that he'll (the buddhist) go to hell...
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this is the part where a famous internet quote comes in handy...

"I have nothing against God, it's his fan club I cannot stand..." -anonymous

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edsamac wrote:

^ The sign of the cross is just that ~ a reminder that "we are in the most holy presence of God". Sure, there are those people that do it real quickly and it looks so mechanical... but sometimes, you can really feel it... hehe. Now people will think I'm some kind of weirdo...

Well, I don't blame people for thinking we catholics are a little too traditional... because maybe, we are. But there are many new insights that the catholic religion has been gaining, and many of these I've learned from the Jesuits. Let's say my religious convictions have been "refreshed" thanks to them. :)

Tell me, is it true that "Christians" (sorry, I really don't feel comfortable using the term, because I, myself, am a Christian, but a Christian Catholic) think that people who don't believe in Jesus (christianity) will go to hell? One of my Born Again friends keeps pestering my Buddhist friend because she says that he'll (the buddhist) go to hell... :sweatingbullets:


well as for me.. (a catholic who goes to a christian or also prostestant/evangelical church) not really...i think...
well i believe in the revelations, on the rapture and the second coming of jesus christ....
(i knew about the rapture thing when i saw the movie about it and the revelation)

and i think it's jesus who's the only one to judge whose going to hell and whose going with him...
total in all...i think we have no right to judge the people who are no christians(e.g. buddist)
instead we help them and not force them...try to invite them to your church and youth...
and if she/he likes it she'll go there by her/himself^__^
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