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Posted 5/31/07
oh.. i was refering to the guy that mentioned some wierd smart ass remark about it being a tool for somethingaontehr


...as for you... you keep saying believe in the lord an your saved... but has it occured to you that your listening to poeple that hundreds of years ago broke from the church? perhaps they were flawed to break from teh church... perhaps the flaw has grown severely.... perhaps you should consider that they were wrong then and thier stil wrong... eventually you guys need to rejoin the church...im not saying your gona suffer horribly for not joining the church... im a hopeful idealist... i have hope that everyones gona get into pergatory at least if they cant get strait to heaven... i have loads of hope... trust me... pergatory is great its like the door mat to heaven where you geta wipe your feet off in preparation to enter...its so cooll... painful on the feet perhaps but so overfilled with joy to get their
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^lol,jesus was one of those loons standing on a soap box,you are aware of this,right?
Posted 5/31/07

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lumiina wrote:


its a fact!learn your religions history at least.i know,most of you didnt even read the bible,but that your now even claming to be the"christians"is just stupid.you didnt even red the links,right?just like the bible!


It's not about reading the bible, going to church, preforming some sort of ritual or tradition. It's about our faith in God, the realization that we need God. That's what determines our christianity, and although going to church, and reading the bible is important to us, it's not what determines our salvation.


so you dont need to know what are you believing!and you just have to blindly believe,right!your are a great example of those who believe in something they dont even know,and try to defend it without any arguments,just plane stupid believing.




I study the bible, I know what I believe. I also know that the thief who Jesus talked to before He died went to heaven, he was saved. Did he ever read the bible? Did he ever have time to study?

It's not blindly believing, it's faith. It's having a relationship with God.
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He preached something new, but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the creepy guy who says we're all going to hell for being teenagers and not catholic. The guy who generalizes. I've seen him, and that's who I was refferring to.
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he confessed his sins and said he and the other deserved death for having killed another... confession is a part of the catholic church
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wiat... your not refering to me??? i wasnt saying anything liek that... pergatory isnt hell... its a good thing its something for those that wouldnt other wise make it to heaven... its a door mat to wipe off your miserable failings off.. which i happen to have alot of...
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^^They are not saying not to have faith. They are saying have faith because you believe, not because someone tells you to. By saying you don't need to know what you are talking about... you are proving a very bad arguement.
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Posted 5/31/07

lumiina wrote:


arano wrote:


lumiina wrote:


its a fact!learn your religions history at least.i know,most of you didnt even read the bible,but that your now even claming to be the"christians"is just stupid.you didnt even red the links,right?just like the bible!


It's not about reading the bible, going to church, preforming some sort of ritual or tradition. It's about our faith in God, the realization that we need God. That's what determines our christianity, and although going to church, and reading the bible is important to us, it's not what determines our salvation.


so you dont need to know what are you believing!and you just have to blindly believe,right!your are a great example of those who believe in something they dont even know,and try to defend it without any arguments,just plane stupid believing.




I study the bible, I know what I believe. I also know that the thief who Jesus talked to before He died went to heaven, he was saved. Did he ever read the bible? Did he ever have time to study?

It's not blindly believing, it's faith. It's having a relationship with God.


ok,then its blind faith,call it what you want,i talked to many religious people,including priests and stuff and none of them could handle a real discussion,because religion is made for people who cant face reality,they just cant argue on some issues,but keep on repeating their old "you got to believe/faith)its just senseless.its just funny,that i have more knowledge about their religion,then they got,just like you,you just cant argue,because you dont have enough knowledge about it and if you had red the bible 3-5 times like me you still couldnt argue,because your religion(like every other religion )makes no sense at all,the only purpose is to accept reality and feel better,thats what religion is,religion is sooo 18th century,get real,read more,open your mind!

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^I am a Catholic who believes in Gay Marrige. The balance can be found.
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im saying have unity and trust in the church... im not saying force ideals... im just saying they shoudnt have broke from teh church and gona an made thier own churches.. its just cuased so much extra trouble... the church provides social stability... you know what... whats so hard about all the rogue churchs finally picking up and trusting the Roman catholic churches leadership... civilization has flourished for 2000 years, it brought peaceful resolution with the viking raiders... the russian arabs finally were brought to peaceful resolution... and mongol hordes had been gone for long time... things were dandy.. then people started breaking from church... things went crazy again.
Posted 5/31/07
My whole family is. I personally think half of the religion is crap. Im basically atheist. I refused to be confirmed because i dont belive in the religion, but my family still wants to force it upon me and my parents keep trying to make me go to catholic schools
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parents il make you suffer reguardlessof the subject.. dont blame the church for that
Posted 5/31/07
im not. I just dont belive in the religion.
I did like the Crusades era though. Accept are religion or die!
Posted 5/31/07

AleksisMichael wrote:

oh.. i was refering to the guy that mentioned some wierd smart ass remark about it being a tool for somethingaontehr


...as for you... you keep saying believe in the lord an your saved... but has it occured to you that your listening to poeple that hundreds of years ago broke from the church? perhaps they were flawed to break from teh church... perhaps the flaw has grown severely.... perhaps you should consider that they were wrong then and thier stil wrong... eventually you guys need to rejoin the church...im not saying your gona suffer horribly for not joining the church... im a hopeful idealist... i have hope that everyones gona get into pergatory at least if they cant get strait to heaven... i have loads of hope... trust me... pergatory is great its like the door mat to heaven where you geta wipe your feet off in preparation to enter...its so cooll... painful on the feet perhaps but so overfilled with joy to get their


I know I'm going to heaven.

You guys believe that works gets you into heaven, right? Well, so do we... sort of. Paul in the bible mentions how by faith alone, and not works determines your salvation. James in the bible says that it is not faith alone, because if you have faith without works, it's not true faith. By having faith in Christ, that produces works. When you're saved, you're a new creation, you're not the same person you were before. You ever hear of the fruits of the spirits? If you don't do works you are not truly saved, because if you are saved why wouldn't you do works? that's what I'm basically trying to say. I agree, you can't just say I believe in God and be saved, because it could be that it's not real. If you really believe you need God, it'll show.
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so... why is it that you wont rejoin the church? if you belive in God what possible excuse can you have not to rejoin the church which his personaly instructed apostles structured and set up a line of successors to guard and guide the church in glory to God?
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