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But... does Japan really have any interest in keeping the foreign army on their soil? And, as far as I know, its not the problem that there are US bases there (at least it is minor problem), but that the LAND where ONE (okinawa?) base is located can be put to better use - for tourists or housing. IDK - what is the point in having base exactly there, when it can be easily allocated where they will not bother anyone? If it were me, I would close tons of useless bases and invest that money in economy. Or is investing in US military the same as investing in economy?


We can't well move it. The US government works in mysterious ways- ways that even God cannot fanthom. It is a sacred and mystical insitution that works outside the realms of logic, reason, and sense. That is why nothing ever gets done, and why we need bases in Okinawa, and if you are to argue with me, never mind if you are not America, you're a traitor.
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y cant they do themselves?is there no trust in that they can do it themselves? y does the US have to act like the big brother over it all instead of worrying about problems within our borders


Well, if N. Korea decides to strike S. Korea, with the backing of several nations, then our interest is in stake, and, with our Japanese base, it would be most beneficial to our effort if we had a base in Japan.


then y arent there bases in S. korea? wouldnt that make N.korea and who ever allies with them the enemy of the world?

There are. To the second question, everyone hates them already.
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There are. To the second question, everyone hates them already.


u could b right but the same for the US u cant say we r liked by all
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What? You should give more information in the original post.

The better question is what the hell are US military bases doing in Japan in the first place? And would should Japan let them? Not to mention the other 150 countries the US is keeping military bases in. Would the US accept other countries putting their own military bases in the US?


Why shouldn't they have bases in Japan? It allow America a swift and timely responce should any affairs occur in East/South-East Asia and protect Japan should an invasion of the Island be attempted. Also, why should there be foriegn bases in the United States when there is no legitamite reasons to keep them in our country.


There's no legitimate reason to have them in Japan. It really doesn't matter what it does or doesn't allow the US to do, they shouldn't be there. The US can't put bases wherever it wants, it's not the supreme ruler of the world.

It's irrelevant what the US wants, it's not their country, Japan can decide what they want.
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Yei wrote:

What? You should give more information in the original post.

The better question is what the hell are US military bases doing in Japan in the first place? And why should Japan let them be there? Not to mention the other 150 countries the US is keeping military bases in. Would the US accept other countries putting their own military bases in the US?


After the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, the Japanese were banned from having any offensive military capabilities, only defensive. Same with Germany, after Hitler and his fun little regime, Germany was banned from having offensive military capabilities too. So that's why they're there, or at least that how it was explained to me.
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Yei wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


Yei wrote:

What? You should give more information in the original post.

The better question is what the hell are US military bases doing in Japan in the first place? And would should Japan let them? Not to mention the other 150 countries the US is keeping military bases in. Would the US accept other countries putting their own military bases in the US?


Why shouldn't they have bases in Japan? It allow America a swift and timely responce should any affairs occur in East/South-East Asia and protect Japan should an invasion of the Island be attempted. Also, why should there be foriegn bases in the United States when there is no legitamite reasons to keep them in our country.


There's no legitimate reason to have them in Japan. It really doesn't matter what it does or doesn't allow the US to do, they shouldn't be there. The US can't put bases wherever it wants, it's not the supreme ruler of the world.

It's irrelevant what the US wants, it's not their country, Japan can decide what they want.


It is a legitimate reason in so much as the safety of those nations depend on the US presence in that area.
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It is a legitimate reason in so much as the safety of those nations depend on the US presence in that area.


This is assuming the US owns the world and can do whatever it wants, regardless of what anyone else thinks. If Japan asked the US to put military bases there and the Japanese people were happy with them, then it would be acceptable. But Japan doesn't want US military bases there. So the US's opinion and reasoning is irrelevant, Japan is not a US colony, it's an independent state.
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Yei wrote:


orangeflute wrote:

It is a legitimate reason in so much as the safety of those nations depend on the US presence in that area.


This is assuming the US owns the world and can do whatever it wants, regardless of what anyone else thinks. If Japan asked the US to put military bases there and the Japanese people were happy with them, then it would be acceptable. But Japan doesn't want US military bases there. So the US's opinion and reasoning is irrelevant, Japan is not a US colony, it's an independent state.


In the event that N. Korea declares war on the South and on Japan, would you not want a timely response against this act of agression. In addition, Japan, having no military of its own (save its JSDF, which isn't very powerful), and thus, depends on the US as a deterrent agent against any agression.
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Yei wrote:


orangeflute wrote:

It is a legitimate reason in so much as the safety of those nations depend on the US presence in that area.


This is assuming the US owns the world and can do whatever it wants, regardless of what anyone else thinks. If Japan asked the US to put military bases there and the Japanese people were happy with them, then it would be acceptable. But Japan doesn't want US military bases there. So the US's opinion and reasoning is irrelevant, Japan is not a US colony, it's an independent state.


In the event that N. Korea declares war on the South and on Japan, would you not want a timely response against this act of agression. In addition, Japan, having no military of its own (save its JSDF, which isn't very powerful), and thus, depends on the US as a deterrent agent against any agression.


'Not by choice. America will not allow Japan to have a real military, that way they can keep a apprising hand over their actions. "
Again shows America use bully tactics to enslave and force their will on others.
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orangeflute wrote:


Yei wrote:


orangeflute wrote:

It is a legitimate reason in so much as the safety of those nations depend on the US presence in that area.


This is assuming the US owns the world and can do whatever it wants, regardless of what anyone else thinks. If Japan asked the US to put military bases there and the Japanese people were happy with them, then it would be acceptable. But Japan doesn't want US military bases there. So the US's opinion and reasoning is irrelevant, Japan is not a US colony, it's an independent state.


In the event that N. Korea declares war on the South and on Japan, would you not want a timely response against this act of agression. In addition, Japan, having no military of its own (save its JSDF, which isn't very powerful), and thus, depends on the US as a deterrent agent against any agression.


'Not by choice. America will not allow Japan to have a real military, that way they can keep a apprising hand over their actions. "
Again shows America use bully tactics to enslave and force their will on others.


Because allowing them an army worked so well in World War II.
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orangeflute wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


Yei wrote:


orangeflute wrote:

It is a legitimate reason in so much as the safety of those nations depend on the US presence in that area.


This is assuming the US owns the world and can do whatever it wants, regardless of what anyone else thinks. If Japan asked the US to put military bases there and the Japanese people were happy with them, then it would be acceptable. But Japan doesn't want US military bases there. So the US's opinion and reasoning is irrelevant, Japan is not a US colony, it's an independent state.


In the event that N. Korea declares war on the South and on Japan, would you not want a timely response against this act of agression. In addition, Japan, having no military of its own (save its JSDF, which isn't very powerful), and thus, depends on the US as a deterrent agent against any agression.


'Not by choice. America will not allow Japan to have a real military, that way they can keep a apprising hand over their actions. "
Again shows America use bully tactics to enslave and force their will on others.


Because allowing them an army worked so well in World War II.


So is that why Germany is allowed now to have a military?

Last time a checked.. Japan is now are ally. Yet we are still forcing are will on them.
Allow them to build a army and get the hell out. Stop being a bully is what America needs to do.
America thinks they should police the world.. Yet their unable to deal with their own problem within there own country.
Posted 6/1/10
The whole idea is ridiculous. The U.S. spends its own money to have a military base in Japan. Japan spends its own money to ensure the military base stays. The U.S. spends more money than Japan does on its own defenses because it's not allowed to build its military, despite everyone saying there are threats from North Korea. It makes no sense.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


Yei wrote:


orangeflute wrote:

It is a legitimate reason in so much as the safety of those nations depend on the US presence in that area.


This is assuming the US owns the world and can do whatever it wants, regardless of what anyone else thinks. If Japan asked the US to put military bases there and the Japanese people were happy with them, then it would be acceptable. But Japan doesn't want US military bases there. So the US's opinion and reasoning is irrelevant, Japan is not a US colony, it's an independent state.


In the event that N. Korea declares war on the South and on Japan, would you not want a timely response against this act of agression. In addition, Japan, having no military of its own (save its JSDF, which isn't very powerful), and thus, depends on the US as a deterrent agent against any agression.


'Not by choice. America will not allow Japan to have a real military, that way they can keep a apprising hand over their actions. "
Again shows America use bully tactics to enslave and force their will on others.


Because allowing them an army worked so well in World War II.


So is that why Germany is allowed now to have a military?

Last time a checked.. Japan is now are ally. Yet we are still forcing are will on them.
Allow them to build a army and get the hell out. Stop being a bully is what America needs to do.
America thinks they should police the world.. Yet their unable to deal with their own problem within there own country.


Probably inherent bias. If I had my way, Germany would be prevented from a military as well. Japan, throughout its history, shows great agression against its neighbours, as with Germany.
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The whole idea is ridiculous. The U.S. spends its own money to have a military base in Japan. Japan spends its own money to ensure the military base stays. The U.S. spends more money than Japan does on its own defenses because it's not allowed to build its military, despite everyone saying there are threats from North Korea. It makes no sense.


Not just N. Korea. Just because we seem all dandy with China, doesn't mean that we won't go to war with 'em.
Posted 6/1/10

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jandarujora wrote:

The whole idea is ridiculous. The U.S. spends its own money to have a military base in Japan. Japan spends its own money to ensure the military base stays. The U.S. spends more money than Japan does on its own defenses because it's not allowed to build its military, despite everyone saying there are threats from North Korea. It makes no sense.


Not just N. Korea. Just because we seem all dandy with China, doesn't mean that we won't go to war with 'em.


We? You mean the U.S.? Well that's just fine because I'm pretty sure the U.S. can take care of itself. But Japan should be allowed to take care of itself as well, which the U.S. pointlessly denies them the ability to.
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