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You can't really say anymore who faked what. There are a whole lot of these Green Helmet pics going around but I wouldn't trust Israel either. Some of these pics are made so bad that the creator could be anyone.
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sindba-d wrote:

You can't really say anymore who faked what. There are a whole lot of these Green Helmet pics going around but I wouldn't trust Israel either. Some of these pics are made so bad that the creator could be anyone.


So true. Both sides have tons of hackers, spammers and other modern media editing specialists. Israel has even formed the special brigade just for that - spamming, trolling etc. I am not saying that people of palestine do not do that. they are just not that organised. Can anyone tell me why is was this big news released like 4 or 5 days late in US? I mean, in my country we are already back on good old domestic problems.
Posted 6/9/10

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sindba-d wrote:

You can't really say anymore who faked what. There are a whole lot of these Green Helmet pics going around but I wouldn't trust Israel either. Some of these pics are made so bad that the creator could be anyone.


So true. Both sides have tons of hackers, spammers and other modern media editing specialists. Israel has even formed the special brigade just for that - spamming, trolling etc. I am not saying that people of palestine do not do that. they are just not that organised. Can anyone tell me why is was this big news released like 4 or 5 days late in US? I mean, in my country we are already back on good old domestic problems.


Probably because the US media is far too focused on the BP oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico and just decided to sneak that news in the middle of that big story.
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So true. Both sides have tons of hackers, spammers and other modern media editing specialists. Israel has even formed the special brigade just for that - spamming, trolling etc. I am not saying that people of palestine do not do that. they are just not that organised. Can anyone tell me why is was this big news released like 4 or 5 days late in US? I mean, in my country we are already back on good old domestic problems.


Core elements of a few modern microsoft OS were made in Israel, so you can be sure that if they want to they can monitor each and every move you make online, without any firewall or VPN keeping you safe. Pretty much like 1984.

I really can't stand Israel. Out of the Middle East it's among the worst countries, if you ask me.

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Lol it literally took me 8 hours to respond to this due to alt-tabbing at work.

Digs I have numerous questions for you. Number one do you even read any of the links I post? Because it seems like your not because you are resposting the audio clip that I just told you that Israel edited which was here.http://idfspokesperson.com/2010/06/05/clarificationcorrection-regarding-audio-transmission-between-israeli-navy-and-flotilla-on-31-may-2010-posted-on-5-june-2010/.
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This transmission had originally cited the Mavi Marmara ship as being the source of these remarks, however, due to an open channel, the specific ship or ships in the “Freedom Flotilla” responding to the Israeli Navy could not be identified.
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So now to dismantle your arguement completely as I stated when the audio clip was released according to Israel this comment was made on the Mavi Marmara. Actually by you even reposting the full version you support my arguement that Israel edited it so thanks. Once again I ask the question to you. Why did Israel edit and please read man dont look over this. Why did they edit this clip to show this audio came from the Mavi Marmara? Then they had retracted it because it sounded fishy and said they have no idea where this statement came from. Do you think this edit was made to justify the attack on Mavi Marmara? Thanks.

Secondly you are posting something extremely bogus. You describe weapons as metal polls and Hamas flags. Correct me if I am wrong Digs was these boats setting sail for Israel or Gaza? You would at least have a little valid point if their were some fire arms. But your describes tools that can be found or created in your home. Also this is extremely silly if you think about it. To me this is a suicide mission. What amount of damage can one do with flags and polls, knives to an organized army with military equipment made in the USA? You would think they would at least be smart enough and bring a gun or something. Also Digs you are ignoring the autopsy report I posted by an Israeli website of the passengers being shot at close range and the American 5 times to his face, here is another new site reporting thishttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/7804864/Gaza-flotilla-attack-activists-shot-repeatedly-at-close-range.html. Why couldnt Israel handle this ship if they were under attack in a better manner? And if their story is true once again you keep ignoring then WHY ARE YOU SHOWING EDITED VIDEOS OF THE EVENT?

You watched them right? Then I want you to tell me what exactly happened from beginning to the end. I bet you cant why because you dont know. Why you dont know because once again those damn videos are edited. I find it extremely halirious how you make the claim, "The anti-Israel media is editing." Digs listen to yourself once again man. THE ONLY EDITING OF ANYTHING WE ARE SEEING IS BEING PRESENTED BY ISRAEL. What are you talking about? In fact the real surprise is you dont even question this. Like I stated in my previous post you dont even question why Israel confiscated video, audio, journalism evidence from the passengers and didnt allow a single media out let to interview them. I can gaurentee you these people with the evidence would be quick to show the world what happened on this boat but Israel got all of it so now all we can hear is oral testimonies while Israel floods us with edited versions supporting their view.

Concerning those photo's you posted I spent a great deal of time just looking for where you found them from. In fact you dont even post a link, article, or anything you just show some photo's of one man laying on the ground bleeding. Digs are you saying this is being shown in the "anti-Israeli media" edited? Lol and please dont tell me you think it is the USA media lol that is laughable. Because we are in full support regardless of the edits. Show us the anti-Israel media that was edited talking about this and where you got these pics from. Also if anyone even looked at the pics something isnt right. Even if that knife was edited out like Digs states there is still a wounded bleeding man on the ground so how can you propagandize this?

There were Americans, pacifists, parliamentarians, former diplomats, as well as current members of the Israeli parliament (I guess you didnt even bother to watch the Israeli MP testimonial). Now Digs I want you to now prove to everyone here how people with track records with human rights would suddenly turn rogue like this. Here are the 9 victims that died and some of which participated in many other humanitarian missions. http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2010/06/putting-names-to-faces.html


Now is Israel out of touch with the world I would say yes. Israel IDF makes mockery and also slanders Islam at the same time. They do it in a remix of "We are the world" by micheal Jackson. Here is the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGG_osOoVg. This video was sponsored by Israel and handed out to journalists. Come on what country sponsors something like this?

I quote two Israelis here:
Didi Remez, an Israeli who runs the liberal-left news analysis blog Coteret, said the clip was "repulsive" and reflected how out of touch Israeli opinion was with the rest of the world. "It shows a complete lack of understanding of how the incident is being perceived abroad," he said. Award-winning Israeli journalist Meron Rapoport said the clip demonstrated prejudice against Muslims. "It's roughly done, not very sophisticated, anti-Muslim – and childish for the government to be behind such a clip," he said. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/06/israel-youtube-gaza-flotilla

Now I want everyone to ask themselves truthfully. After seeing clear edits of videos, edits to show anti-semtism on the Mari to justify Israels killing, government sponsoring a mockery of victims. All other evidence from the passengers taken, will you really get an honest investigation coming out of Israel about what happened?

Right now this event has people all over the world protesting about it including citizens in Israel http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177555. And everyone knows how Israel covers up investigation, well this investigation there were way to many eyewitnesses and they will have a hard time spinning this story. Also when did Hamas ever get into the business of photo shopping?

This is my last edit sheez so much on this issue man it is hard to fit everything because of the tons of new info surfacing and Israel story falling on their face. Anyways Digs you keep saying anti-Israel. So I guess people around the world are just doing this according to you, just to sabotage Israel regardless of the facts of international laws Israel breaks and wars of aggression. So Digs once again I post the question to you. Are you anti-American? Because to me you disagree with everything Obama and the Democrats do and they right now are running the USA.
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"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq."

I wonder what Netanyahu meant when he said this?! Trying to use the sympathy card here or is it something else, Benny?



Because they have more of our American tax money and support now. Now we Americans are in the middle east fighting two unwinnable wars and will probably have a permenant presence there. Also we could possibly engage in a war with Iran which benefits Israel because they wouldnt have to get their hands wet and will become another puppet state just like the majority of the countries in the middle east. The zionist got the ignorant AMericans now believe that in Ahmenijads speech he stated he wants Israel AND the USA wiped off the map lol.


It's no secret that Israel has always had America in its back pocket. And it has no problem sending American men and women overseas, forcibly taking these sovereign countries and installing them with pro-Western governments sympathetic to Israel. It's really sickening. These poor Americans dying over their greedy bullshit.

No one is lobbying for sanctions on Iran more than Israel. Just last month, Iran made a nuclear swap deal with Turkey and Brazil to ship its nuclear fuel out of the country, which could possibly make it more difficult for the sanctions to take place. It makes you wonder doesn't it, if this attack on the aid flotilla was Israel's way sending out a message to Turkey for its course of action.

I don't like Ahmadinejad, but he never said America or Israel should ever be destroyed. These were his exact words:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad." For those who don't understand Farsi it translates to "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

He was never against all Jews, he's only against the Zionists who control the rogue nation Israel and who also control America to keep protecting Israel and monopolize the Middle East. Unfortunately the media ran off with this story to make everyone believe that Iran wants to nuke Jerusalem, which is complete bullshit. Yeah, like it makes a lot of sense to do that.



It is disgusting and hypocritcal at that. We sit there and cover up murder if our friends commit but then act like we stand for justice when others do it. Just could you imagine for just a second if this was a Jewish aid ship crossing in Iranian waters and Iran intercepted it and kill 9 Israeli Jews. Iran then ended up only showing edited photo's and made statements such as. "We were in self defence, they had wooden sticks and Israeli flags." Could you imagine the USA response to this? Would we even buy this story? Could you imagine the two countries who lead this investigation? I can 100% gaurentee a USA response and a call for action on our part.

This also shows the failure of the international community. Once again Iran is being sanctioned for developing nuclear energy. Not a single a nuclear weapon was found. Even the IEIA and USA own intelligence says no nukes. Iran receives surprised visits and still nothing. This also shows a complete double standard in the middle east as well. As much as the USA touts a nuclear free middle east. None of these rules applies to Israel at all. How can the USA act so hypocritical like this and act as if the world is to dumb to notice this.

Also Israel wont even admit they have nuclear weapons but a top secret south African document showed that Israel tried to sell nuclear weapons to aparthied south africa in 1970. Israel also pressured South Africa not to declassify these documents.
http://www.israelnews.net/story/638833
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=182_1274687111&comment_order=newest_first

The problem is this country is acting in a rogue like fashion not wanting to answer to any international law. This is why many people are angered with them and the international community to impose the law on Israel that everyone else has to follow. But if the USA routinely backs Israel when they break these laws then what are the chances Israel will change it ways? If a human can keep getting away with murder, robbing, any other violent crime then why would they stop?

As far as your quote from Ahmenijad I read that as well he never stated the destruction of Israel but Zionism erased from the pages of history similar to how America wants communists erased without having to nuke China. But if you listen to talk radio and Fox mainly they even go as far as to say he wants Israel and the USA wiped off to somehow try to get AMericans scared as well and get America now involved in a new conflict. See the bad thing about it is in America we are starved of information so therefore we only get bits of pieces of what our government wants us to believe thus leading us to hate a group of people in which we dont really know anything about but what we see on our televisions.

But see like I said the only positive thing that came out of this is now the world is challenging Israel blockade which is starving Palestinians. Now more aid ships is on their way including a German Jewish ship. So even though Israel tried to send a message this first attack I guess it didnt go as well as they planned.
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Lol this was funny but one of the Italian Journalist Manolo Luppichini, who was on one of the ships, credit card was used after it was confiscated by Israel. Jewish Newspaper Haaretz reports.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/italian-flotilla-journalist-my-credit-card-was-used-after-idf-confiscated-it-1.295493

One purchase was from a vending machine in Tel Aviv for about NIS 10 on June 2, he says. Another purchase, for NIS 240, was made in Gedera's Village Market - while Luppichini himself was in Bologna, Italy.

This was my laugh of the day.
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Palestinians, though not FORCED to live in refugee camps, can ONLY live in refugee camps due to no other countries wanting to accept them...

I just dont understand how can the happiness and establishment of a country be based on the pain and suffering of others... And Israel... United States... England!, religious countries that neglects the teachings.

O, what is religion to them other than a sanity of mind? The idea that sins can be forgiven, to be free to sin with impunity.

Though I am not religious, I have a sense of my own morals and will not tolerate the ignorance of my own hypocrisies!
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The Palestine Home land lies mostly in Jordan. Jordan and other are fighting a proxy war. I hope Israelis destroy Iran’s nuke facilities. If the Iranians will nuke Israel with no doubt, this is an either or war first use nukes wins. All the people will lose every thing religious wars nasty stuff. .
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The Palestine Home land lies mostly in Jordan. Jordan and other are fighting a proxy war. I hope Israelis destroy Iran’s nuke facilities. If the Iranians will nuke Israel with no doubt, this is an either or war first use nukes wins. All the people will lose every thing religious wars nasty stuff. .


Why cannot Iranians have nuke facilities when so much other countries do?

The world powers would not consent. Weapons, in the end, will always result in destruction, yet countries create and more and more of them.
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The world and most people views that there should be an atonement for sins. You do not get away from killing someone else without punishment, even if the other person is already dead and do not get anything from your own death.

Israelis, in this case, invaded the Middle East first. So if based on the general principle view of the world and most individuals, Israel deserves some sort of retaliation. Yet, the will of some countries like USA wold not concede with that. For the judge/justice and a lot others this country, you support Israel while having firm belief in USA's laws. Its as if, without morals or firm beliefs, you never existed other than an empty bad with no convinctions!

What are laws and morals to the common people other than an fixed illusion?
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The leader of has already made statement of wiping out Israelis if I thought it was just for power source fine. But even the UN (which) I find is joke says, he not being honest or being misleading. He has dined the German death camp, basically I think he off his rocker. The big problem is that counties a theocracy and may see this as doing God work. The punishment of the sins part I do not get it? Israel has over a million peaceful Muslim it boards and can play nice with one another. If you’re talking about something that happens 2000 years ago they need to get over it. All Jewish people should not be held responsible I never been one for religion and the laws of the land supersede any religious laws. I do think placing a Jewish state in the Middle East was in poor taste. And England loosing it all of colonies there I do think had something to do with pay back. I always found it funny Hitter promising freedom to gain support from that part of the world. His policy would have been applied there as time went on for an act of a few, and that a christen problem mostly. Muhammad did not come to his owe until after the fall of Rome. Religion not a something, I believe in but younger people that can keep themselves going with faith of a higher power go for it. I have had some contact with Muslims seem to be good people until something bad went on in their life the next thing they were blaming the Jewish people for their problems. I stopped doing business with them after the second time I heard this dogma. I have my own moral code and can say it developed from within I will disagree with that last statement there some intuitive ability built our minds about what should be done and not. Enriched uranium for power is one weapon grade and that the statement made by the head of Iran war has been already been declared. If was Israeli head of state, I wipe out as much of Iran I as possible there people voted him in let them suffer. I hope Israel has Fission bomb and the capability to launch them I all ready would have. YES I AM A, A-HOLE!
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The leader of has already made statement of wiping out Israelis if I thought it was just for power source fine. But even the UN (which) I find is joke says, he not being honest or being misleading. He has dined the German death camp, basically I think he off his rocker. The big problem is that counties a theocracy and may see this as doing God work. The punishment of the sins part I do not get it? Israel has over a million peaceful Muslim it boards and can play nice with one another. If you’re talking about something that happens 2000 years ago they need to get over it. All Jewish people should not be held responsible I never been one for religion and the laws of the land supersede any religious laws. I do think placing a Jewish state in the Middle East was in poor taste. And England loosing it all of colonies there I do think had something to do with pay back. I always found it funny Hitter promising freedom to gain support from that part of the world. His policy would have been applied there as time went on for an act of a few, and that a christen problem mostly. Muhammad did not come to his owe until after the fall of Rome. Religion not a something, I believe in but younger people that can keep themselves going with faith of a higher power go for it. I have had some contact with Muslims seem to be good people until something bad went on in their life the next thing they were blaming the Jewish people for their problems. I stopped doing business with them after the second time I heard this dogma. I have my own moral code and can say it developed from within I will disagree with that last statement there some intuitive ability built our minds about what should be done and not. Enriched uranium for power is one weapon grade and that the statement made by the head of Iran war has been already been declared. If was Israeli head of state, I wipe out as much of Iran I as possible there people voted him in let them suffer. I hope Israel has Fission bomb and the capability to launch them I all ready would have. YES I AM A, A-HOLE!


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The Palestine Home land lies mostly in Jordan. Jordan and other are fighting a proxy war. I hope Israelis destroy Iran’s nuke facilities. If the Iranians will nuke Israel with no doubt, this is an either or war first use nukes wins. All the people will lose every thing religious wars nasty stuff. .


it ain't religious wars
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I guess the 6 day war was just for fun, The Palestine and other have made it clear to kill the Jewish people have they not. It not just about territory, when Israel has concede in the past the Palestine's still carry out attacks. so what is about with the Palestine's people, the blockade is just until the attack stop.
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