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The Palestine Home land lies mostly in Jordan. Jordan and other are fighting a proxy war. I hope Israelis destroy Iran’s nuke facilities. If the Iranians will nuke Israel with no doubt, this is an either or war first use nukes wins. All the people will lose every thing religious wars nasty stuff. .


it ain't religious wars


Your absoultely correct this isnt a religious war this is purely political. There are many Jews in America and Israel who are against what Israel is doing to this Palestinian people. Jews in New York even protest the illegal blockade and the treatment of Palestine. People who tend to say it is a religious war doesnt have a single clue about what is going on. There was no war before Israel because Jews and Palestinians was living in peace. Also there is a lie going around that Ahmenijad wants to kill all jews. This is bogus if this statement is true why are there Iranian Jews lving in Iran unharmed still being able to practice their religion. The funny thing is Israeli supporters support a nuclear attack on Iran but not a nuclear attack on Israel. My thing is BOTH is wrong because innocent civilians will get massacred. WHy is it that Israel can nuke someone and Iran cant? Both shouldnt be able to obtain nukes so then we wont have to even worry about this problem. But Israel who has nukes, as up to 200 and will not admit it is threating to nuke a country who doesnt. Just how the hell is Iran suppose to act when US and Israel is threatning to bomb them? There is so much misinformation, cover ups as I stated when it comes to Israel to support the zionist state. Israel is the only country that has some strange hold in America. If you criticize that country for it's actions, key word "actions" not their religion which many zionists try to play when they cant refute you, then you are automatically an anti-semite. Israel cant even face criticism coming from their fellow Jews. Jewish American Normand Finkelstine and Noam Chomsky banned from Israel just because of their criticism alone. If they were speaking false information couldnt Israel easily refute what they have to say?

Hell does the USA even act in this fashion? Do we ban people from entering this country strickly due to their criticism of the US? What about the Israeli Jews who criticize the USA for supporting Israeli policy doesnt get banned. Also Israel has a way to alter news with edits and throw some holocaust card in the mix to foster support. They go the extreme in covering up their crime. This country has violated the most international laws in the world and hasnt answered to any of them. Then we get silly quesitons coming around, "Why are people angered with Israel?" Because it is a country that feels it can do whatever it wants without answering the international community. They get American tax payer dollars and USA simply requests themselves for them to end their illegal settlement expansion which they refuse to do.
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I guess the 6 day war was just for fun, The Palestine and other have made it clear to kill the Jewish people have they not. It not just about territory, when Israel has concede in the past the Palestine's still carry out attacks. so what is about with the Palestine's people, the blockade is just until the attack stop.


you know that there are other reason like political, cultural, philosophical etc.

If it's a religious war, it would be a world war III
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Well you can call a war or maybe, you want it to call it police action? In this cultural, philosophical, even political but the difference is Palestine muslin verses Israeli Jew's. At least the Israelis do not hide behind women and children like most of the cowards do. When other Muslims stop the violent ones I will believe their peaceful but sitting on the sideline acting like it not there problem there just as guilty as the parties doing the dirty work. This is how Islam has spread throughout the world too, bad people stop at the crusades and not goes further into history. Then the crusades make some since to those that do not understand, them money power and to protect what was left of Christian history. Another words I do not have much respected for Muslim I have done jobs with them and had work done for me by them. The reason I stopped when business was not going well ore life at home it was this hatred and blaming the Jewish people. You call it whatever you like but the government the palatines have voted for say’s it all. Your vote counts for good or bad and all knew the plate form the current government ran on. Call what you want, this is still over religious values and that makes it a war over religion. By the way would we not be up to WW6 scine reliongion was fought over in the crusades?
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Well you can call a war or maybe, you want it to call it police action? In this cultural, philosophical, even political but the difference is Palestine muslin verses Israeli Jew's. At least the Israelis do not hide behind women and children like most of the cowards do. When other Muslims stop the violent ones I will believe their peaceful but sitting on the sideline acting like it not there problem there just as guilty as the parties doing the dirty work. This is how Islam has spread throughout the world too, bad people stop at the crusades and not goes further into history. Then the crusades make some since to those that do not understand, them money power and to protect what was left of Christian history. Another words I do not have much respected for Muslim I have done jobs with them and had work done for me by them. The reason I stopped when business was not going well ore life at home it was this hatred and blaming the Jewish people. You call it whatever you like but the government the palatines have voted for say’s it all. Your vote counts for good or bad and all knew the plate form the current government ran on. Call what you want, this is still over religious values and that makes it a war over religion. By the way would we not be up to WW6 scine reliongion was fought over in the crusades?


i didn't understand all that you have said,

America is christian or islam and Japan is shinto. Would that mean that world war II was a religious war?

The crusade is not a world war since it only involves Christian europe and Arab middle east. America, Canada, Far East Asia, SOuth East ASia and australia where not involved in the war. Even Africa
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Maybe your post from before would help you out. You said if war between the Muslims and Jews in the middle east it would be WW3.
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Typical muslim propaganda... It is okay to kill Israeli Soldier but to kill a Palestinian Terrorist or a muslim Mujaheed is not.

If Muslims dares to claim the present lands of Israel then the Italians once the people of the Roman empire have the right to claim their lands for it was once the Romans or the Byzantines who were the sovereign of the lands in some parts of Turkey. Istanbul was the capital of the Byzantine empire. Muslims should know shame! They spread the religion islam through the sword that is a known fact. The same as Christianity during the time of the Conquistas. Nothing much different in my opinion.

If people should just forget about the past and just focus on what they have now I don't think there would be much chaos as we have now.
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So the real victims here are the Jewish people, dam them for leaning going to school such vile acts of self improvement. The Jewish people are hard working trying to make a good living to provide for their families such, mean and evil people.
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Typical muslim propaganda... It is okay to kill Israeli Soldier but to kill a Palestinian Terrorist or a muslim Mujaheed is not.

If Muslims dares to claim the present lands of Israel then the Italians once the people of the Roman empire have the right to claim their lands for it was once the Romans or the Byzantines who were the sovereign of the lands in some parts of Turkey. Istanbul was the capital of the Byzantine empire. Muslims should know shame! They spread the religion islam through the sword that is a known fact. The same as Christianity during the time of the Conquistas. Nothing much different in my opinion.

If people should just forget about the past and just focus on what they have now I don't think there would be much chaos as we have now.


Another person's hero is another person's terrorist. Robin Hood was a terrorist when he raided rich caravans and travelers but he was a hero to the poor. And forgetting history is bad because we would repeat the same mistakes of the past. Rather we should learnt from it, understand both sides and despite the history, be big enough to forgive one another.From what I see its harder for the older generation to let go and usually passed their discrimination and their prejudices to the the younger generation, its important for the younger generation to understand this and sort out this differences.

Can the people in the middle east or for most part of the world do that? If they can perhaps there can truly be peace.
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tarakelly wrote:

Maybe your post from before would help you out. You said if war between the Muslims and Jews in the middle east it would be WW3.


ok. now you are confusing me.

i was pointing out that the crusades cannot be considered as world wars.

and I was saying that if the issue in israel is a religious war, it would be a world war this time since christian nations will back up israel and the islam nations will back up palestine

there...go figure
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Misunderstanding happen I pretty sure you understand, I am pro-Israeli I don't give a dam about the Palestinians
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DrifterZ0 wrote:

If Muslims dares to claim the present lands of Israel then the Italians once the people of the Roman empire have the right to claim their lands for it was once the Romans or the Byzantines who were the sovereign of the lands in some parts of Turkey. Istanbul was the capital of the Byzantine empire.


Then, if Israel citizens dares to claim the lands then the native American Indian have the right to claim their lands for it was once the Native Indians who were the sovereign of the lands in entire land of America. The same thing goes to Australians and New Zealand, it was one Aborigines who were the sovereign of the lands. If you learn throughout history, there are too many regions that has not been ruled by its original inhabitant.

If Palestinians have to leave because Israel was once the sovereign of the lands, that means all Americans, Australians, New Zealand, etc. citizens have to leave as well.


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Muslims should know shame! They spread the religion islam through the sword that is a known fact. The same as Christianity during the time of the Conquistas. Nothing much different in my opinion.

If people should just forget about the past and just focus on what they have now I don't think there would be much chaos as we have now.


It's quite interesting that the biggest nation of muslim population which is happen to be my country embracing Islam without violence at all. Instead, they spread it through trading and marriage. Our nation once was Hindu in majority, using statue to praise god, which is very forbidden in Islam. Yet, we embrace Islam not because we're being invaded by them or any kind like that, instead the king of Hinduism's Kingdom invites muslims trader to share their religions and teachings. With that, slowly Hindu believer embracing Islam until it became the biggest muslim population country in the world.


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Misunderstanding happen I pretty sure you understand, I am pro-Israeli I don't give a dam about the Palestinians


That's the problem here, people are just very biased and only wanted to give major win to one side, not to both sides that'd solve the problem. Actually, nobody could care less if that was a thought of some random strangers, but it'll be a major problem if the government and its military and citizens think that way. And that's what it seems happen in Israel.

Look, I'm pro-Palestinian but I don't want Israel leave the land too. They have rights to live there as all the lands on the earth belongs to all humans on the world, thus this conflict should be solved with benefit to both sides. However, with the ideology of 'Promised Lands' within Israeli, it'll be difficult to regain peace that was last for hundreds years under Egypt and Turkey occupation.
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Do you even understand why and how Israeli was setup. Do you understand how is Islam has grown something,(Tells me no). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel should fill you in on what, why, you may learn something. As for Islam being a peaceful religion that a joke. Most world conflicts are internal country war’s mostly Islamic believers doing the killing. Now for to stupid statement about American Indians and all the rest of that trash you stated. The Indian people where mostly migratory owning land was not even a concept they under stood. As the population grew so did the need for more land wars were fought between us. The Indians lost but do to peace treaties they do have lands. The USA is one nation that tried to make peace with the people living here first. Even thought American Indian by the standard of the day were lacking as a cutlery very primitive. You can open up some books look at the maps as well in history books when nations went to war you will notice the territory has changed or gold. This is very normal thing that happened looser pays in land or money. You can go back 2000 years and you will see this. The Palestine’s are terrorist humus is it govern body they have stated there, goal is to drive Israelis out. If Rome or Greek Orthodox Church would have locked him up that slime ball Mohamed. We would not have so many wars in the name of God going on in the name of something else probably.
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tarakelly wrote:

Do you even understand why and how Israeli was setup. Do you understand how is Islam has grown something,(Tells me no). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel should fill you in on what, why, you may learn something.


Everyone knew it for those really look into it. But does that justify the existence of Israel with the oppression of weak? When they can live together more than 500 years under Egypt army by Saladin(If I'm not wrong), and Ottoman army (Turkey). Both are muslims army, as they never have problem with religion there. Actually, Jews and Muslims in Jerusalem were united against Ottoman Empire for their poor treatment and invasion to the Jerusalem's inhabitant.


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As for Islam being a peaceful religion that a joke. Most world conflicts are internal country war’s mostly Islamic believers doing the killing.


This is the result of media that feed you everyday with hated news against muslims. Name a war that was started by muslims. Many were started by invasion with baseless allegation like Biological Weapon, Weapon of Mass Destruction which is until now are not being proven. If US really a nation that embraces Freedom and Equality, they won't invading weak nations or took them as prisoner without trial.


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Now for to stupid statement about American Indians and all the rest of that trash you stated. The Indian people where mostly migratory owning land was not even a concept they under stood. As the population grew so did the need for more land wars were fought between us. The Indians lost but do to peace treaties they do have lands. The USA is one nation that tried to make peace with the people living here first. Even thought American Indian by the standard of the day were lacking as a cutlery very primitive. You can open up some books look at the maps as well in history books when nations went to war you will notice the territory has changed or gold. This is very normal thing that happened looser pays in land or money. You can go back 2000 years and you will see this.


It is the matter of fact that US was created with wiping out the native inhabitant and made them as their slave. You might want to learn history of your country a bit or take a history class of US. Yes, it was normal when people were invading, raping and massacring people from another land to get their Gold, Glory and Gospel. However, in the matter of Israel-Palestinian, this is not normal as we have international law, organizations and UN as countries representative to expressing their opinions.

It's not okay for North Korea to launch their nuclear to Alaska, right? If it normal, then US would had been nuked long ago. Taiwan were invaded by China. South Africans might still live in Apartheid system, etc. Is it normal for strong countries to oppress weak countries and make them to be their slave? Well, I guess it won't work to the person from a country that has always been doing it.


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The Palestine’s are terrorist humus is it govern body they have stated there, goal is to drive Israelis out. If Rome or Greek Orthodox Church would have locked him up that slime ball Mohamed. We would not have so many wars in the name of God going on in the name of something else probably. :w00t:


It's the same as Israel that wanted to drive Palestinians out, China that wanted to take Taiwan, Georgia that attacked South Ossetia, Serbia that wanted to take Kosovo, America that wanted to take Vietnam. All of them are terrorist, aren't they? But as time changing, people are changing too. I believe the solutions that benefits to both sides is the best to end this conflict.

Do you see your generalization? Being a muslims means terrorist is just uneducated, ignorant and biased statement. If people can state muslims are terrorist for being participated with wars that they did not start, means everyone can claim that all Christian, especially Catholic are all pedophile. Everyone can generalize all Catholic believer are pedophile since the act of sexual abuses on children are many committed by Bishop, Cleric, Priest, Pastors, etc.

All high position in Christian were reported for committing crimes on children. Does that means we can say all Christian are all pedophile? You might, but I won't.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_political_conflicts if you go here you will find out about the peace loving Muslims.
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You are biased, throughout history Islam was an icon of violence and conquest. From the late dark ages, to the fall of Constantinople until the present times. I don't think such religion who had such reputation of violence deserves to be called a religion of peace. The Ottoman empire was well known for waging war against the West.

Anyways, I think you should rather try to start downsizing your accusations. I will not hesitate to use insults the next time.
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