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Posted 6/8/10

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Vestigial Structures do not harm nor benefits you, and serve no function at all. They are structures that, at one time, did serve a function for the species less evolved form, but has snice become functionless. A more scienticfic and detailed explaination:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section2.html#vestiges

Serving no function, why should god create them?


well, who are we to question the designer? do we know what is inside the mind of a God? is he like us in his way of thinking?

anyway, give me an example of this vestigial structures please.


Ah, the backward and unquestioning thinking of the Middle Ages. Let's arrange a randezvous and conspire to burn witches and heretics.


no. seriously. you are in a point of being biased again. think about this with an open mind
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Posted 6/9/10

alupihan45 wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


Vestigial Structures do not harm nor benefits you, and serve no function at all. They are structures that, at one time, did serve a function for the species less evolved form, but has snice become functionless. A more scienticfic and detailed explaination:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section2.html#vestiges

Serving no function, why should god create them?


well, who are we to question the designer? do we know what is inside the mind of a God? is he like us in his way of thinking?

anyway, give me an example of this vestigial structures please.


Ah, the backward and unquestioning thinking of the Middle Ages. Let's arrange a randezvous and conspire to burn witches and heretics.


no. seriously. you are in a point of being biased again. think about this with an open mind


There was a nice little link below, so I should think twice before you accuse me of being narrow minded.
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Posted 6/9/10

orangeflute wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


Vestigial Structures do not harm nor benefits you, and serve no function at all. They are structures that, at one time, did serve a function for the species less evolved form, but has snice become functionless. A more scienticfic and detailed explaination:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section2.html#vestiges

Serving no function, why should god create them?


well, who are we to question the designer? do we know what is inside the mind of a God? is he like us in his way of thinking?

anyway, give me an example of this vestigial structures please.


Ah, the backward and unquestioning thinking of the Middle Ages. Let's arrange a randezvous and conspire to burn witches and heretics.


no. seriously. you are in a point of being biased again. think about this with an open mind


There was a nice little link below, so I should think twice before you accuse me of being narrow minded.


"Ah, the backward and unquestioning thinking of the Middle Ages. Let's arrange a randezvous and conspire to burn witches and heretics." <----so this wasn't your post?
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Posted 6/9/10

alupihan45 wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


Vestigial Structures do not harm nor benefits you, and serve no function at all. They are structures that, at one time, did serve a function for the species less evolved form, but has snice become functionless. A more scienticfic and detailed explaination:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section2.html#vestiges

Serving no function, why should god create them?


well, who are we to question the designer? do we know what is inside the mind of a God? is he like us in his way of thinking?

anyway, give me an example of this vestigial structures please.


Ah, the backward and unquestioning thinking of the Middle Ages. Let's arrange a randezvous and conspire to burn witches and heretics.


no. seriously. you are in a point of being biased again. think about this with an open mind


There was a nice little link below, so I should think twice before you accuse me of being narrow minded.


"Ah, the backward and unquestioning thinking of the Middle Ages. Let's arrange a randezvous and conspire to burn witches and heretics." <----so this wasn't your post?


If you look way up, there is a little orange link- please read it.
Posted 6/9/10

alupihan45 wrote:


orangeflute wrote:



There was a nice little link below, so I should think twice before you accuse me of being narrow minded.


"Ah, the backward and unquestioning thinking of the Middle Ages. Let's arrange a randezvous and conspire to burn witches and heretics." <----so this wasn't your post?
Look at it this way, what's preventing yourself from taking the proactive approach like I did with the help of the Internet. By discovering that humans alone possess 3 out of the world's "Top 10 Useless Limbs (and Other Vestigial Organs)."
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If you look way up, there is a little orange link- please read it.


of course, I read that already. I ain't a troll here.
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If you look way up, there is a little orange link- please read it.


of course, I read that already. I ain't a troll here.


Then why did you ask for the definition and example of such organs?
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Posted 6/10/10

orangeflute wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


If you look way up, there is a little orange link- please read it.


of course, I read that already. I ain't a troll here.


Then why did you ask for the definition and example of such organs?


i didn't ask for the definition. anyway, sorry for that post. it was redundant.
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orangeflute wrote:



Then why did you ask for the definition and example of such organs?


i didn't ask for the definition. anyway, sorry for that post. it was redundant.
Yes you did, and no amount of denial will change that fact.

Furthermore, now that we've clear and indisputable facts about useless organs and structures in nature. We can say with certainty that the reality of evolution itself is a mindless process.
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Well, The Big Bang Theory makes sense, because when something becomes to dense, it explodes, (i.e. the big bang).


But where did the density come from in the first place? What triggered it?

Also, if something is sufficiently massive and dense, wouldn't gravity hold it together, as in neutron stars and black holes?
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What makes science possible?

Scientific research is possible because the physical world is orderly and because energy and matter behave in a predictable, uniform manner in a given set of circumstances. This order can be expressed in a the fundamental laws of mathematics, physics, chemistry and so on. Without, such order, scientific work, technology, and life itself could simply not exist.

So the question arise: what is the origin of physical laws? And why do they function as they do?


My belief is that something (which would be similar in nature to God, though not necessarily the Judeo-Christian interpretation) set things in motion and let the universe evolve according to certain rules; this is (in my belief system) where the natural laws came from.

However, it is arguable that the existence of nice, orderly rules in the universe is pure coincidence. If whatever set things going, be it a divine being or a quirk of nature, had "chosen" (for want of a better word) a different set of physical laws that was not suitable for life to evolve, or had not established rules at all, we wouldn't be here to as why the laws allow us to be here. Or to put it another way, we question why the universe is as it is because it is :)

Posted 6/12/10

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ihavecandy3 wrote:

Well, The Big Bang Theory makes sense, because when something becomes to dense, it explodes, (i.e. the big bang).


But where did the density come from in the first place? What triggered it?

Also, if something is sufficiently massive and dense, wouldn't gravity hold it together, as in neutron stars and black holes?
Don't know. When all we have are evidences that the Big Bang did happened. Therefore until science can synthesize a Big Bang just like how it did it with life itself, we won't know that for sure.
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maffoo wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:

What makes science possible?

Scientific research is possible because the physical world is orderly and because energy and matter behave in a predictable, uniform manner in a given set of circumstances. This order can be expressed in a the fundamental laws of mathematics, physics, chemistry and so on. Without, such order, scientific work, technology, and life itself could simply not exist.

So the question arise: what is the origin of physical laws? And why do they function as they do?


My belief is that something (which would be similar in nature to God, though not necessarily the Judeo-Christian interpretation) set things in motion and let the universe evolve according to certain rules; this is (in my belief system) where the natural laws came from.

However, it is arguable that the existence of nice, orderly rules in the universe is pure coincidence. If whatever set things going, be it a divine being or a quirk of nature, had "chosen" (for want of a better word) a different set of physical laws that was not suitable for life to evolve, or had not established rules at all, we wouldn't be here to as why the laws allow us to be here. Or to put it another way, we question why the universe is as it is because it is :)



ahh.. the spinoza's god
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