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Dattebayo Discussion (BLEACH)
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Posted 6/8/10

TheAncientOne wrote:


kiroshi_kun wrote:
If all fails, I'm going to stop watching CR all together, tired of their horrible subbing.

CR doesn't sub anything. That is handled by the company they license from.



Yes I understand that from all the threads I've read, but what I meant is any subbings that CR uploads e.g. VIZ subbings, I don't like em from what I've seen.
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Posted 6/8/10

TheAncientOne wrote:



CR doesn't sub anything.




and they get to pick Bleach up, collect the money, and get the credit. Then DB gets screwed,
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Posted 6/8/10

koreta8790 wrote:


TheAncientOne wrote:

CR doesn't sub anything.


and they get to pick Bleach up, collect the money, and get the credit. Then DB gets screwed,

If DB had legal standing, they could not have gotten screwed.

In the event you were not aware, VIZ will be streaming new Bleach episodes via their own site, as well, so DB would still have been "screwed" if CR had not licensed it.

Fansubs are at best tolerated or ignored by the right holder(s). It isn't as if they have a right to exist.

It is rather like someone that was allowed to live for free on someone's vacant land getting upset when the owner decides to build something on it and kicks them off.

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Well thats it. Bleach has officially lost thousands of followers. Enjoy your jewgolds while you manipulate thousands of teen/tween fangirls who hail GLORIOUS NIPPON!!11!1 XD XD XD XD XD XD XD

And thus the death of Bleach.
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Posted 6/8/10
At least Dattebayo went out with class. They never badmouthed Crunchyroll. They made a mature, wise decision.

After watching Viz's subs of Bleach, I have to say that I am not impressed. I have a pretty good knowledge of the Japanese language. I am not fluent, but I do have pretty strong conversational skills. Some of the subs were somewhat off. I'm not saying DB's subs were perfect because they weren't. Dattebayo often took words that can also be translated as curse words and used the curse word form. Such as; yarou, kuso, kiisama. In my recollection I don't recall them using erroneous cursing. Whatever cusses they added could be seen as a "translation choice"

Some people say "cripes" some people say "sh**". It happens lol

I have to admit, though, that I am biased in Datttebayo and have been watching their subs for several years. Overall they had great accuracy. Viz's subs were pretty accurate too, but I feel that Viz uses more "literal" translation and sometimes certain things get lost.
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Posted 6/8/10
im gonna miss dattebayo's subs,first cr/viz ruined naruto now bleach.....
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Posted 6/8/10
I don't like DB because they bad mouthed Soul Eater and they felt obligated to show their hatred by subbing an episode with totally different translations..just because they hated it they wasted time and energy...F.U. DB...I rather come here to CR and get my anime fix legally and not steal it like most people. CR is the future for anime
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Posted 6/8/10

BlackAirs87 wrote:

I don't like DB because they bad mouthed Soul Eater and they felt obligated to show their hatred by subbing an episode with totally different translations..just because they hated it they wasted time and energy...F.U. DB...I rather come here to CR and get my anime fix legally and not steal it like most people. CR is the future for anime


See...its thinking like this is...why I feel I won't last at CR. Do you think the pennies you spend at CR will support Anime for the future? If you are paying for streaming it is just still barely above leeching. Like tossing a couple of coins into a water fountain.

If your not paying for DVDs/Blu-Rays, Manga, and other Merchandise...ie shirts, figurines, and etc...then Anime won't have much of an exciting future.

DB's humor was always a bit tasteless. Your problem was taking it personally.
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@ mordaane....anime torrents are the real thieves..they take away the money the creators and artists need to make it in the Industry. CR always people here to get their fix and not feel like they are ruining someone's life on the other side of the world. I don't feel as guilty as others who download anime without paying for it. its called SUPPORTING ART!!!!
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Posted 6/8/10

BlackAirs87 wrote:

@ mordaane....anime torrents are the real thieves..they take away the money the creators and artists need to make it in the Industry. CR always people here to get their fix and not feel like they are ruining someone's life on the other side of the world. I don't feel as guilty as others who download anime without paying for it. its called SUPPORTING ART!!!!


I am not going to argue. If you feel your doing enough to support Anime...more power to you. Just keep in mind what Anime CR offers is a very limited selection of what is out there. We all believe what we believe. I don't consider myself a thief and I download Anime. I don't feel like I am taking away money from any network, distributor, writer, or artist. I support Anime mainly through DVD/Blu-Ray purchases.
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Posted 6/8/10

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If CR can petition on getting Bleach onto here why not us petition DB to work here as well? And maybe finally they get paid for such great work they do.


If you are going to start a petition, you need to be clear who you are going to petition for what.

You could petition CR on a never ending basis and it wouldn't change anything, because CR handles streaming, the Japanese creators of the work select the people to do the subtitling.

If you petition VizMedia (or Shueisha, which is about the same thing, because Shueisha is the Japanese publisher of the Bleach manga that is one of VizMedia's owners), are you asking them to refuse to do the job and insist that DB be given the job instead? asking them to consult with DB on a general style guideline? hire one or two of DB's translators or editors?

If you petition TV Tokyo and Studio Pierrot, are you asking them to sack the offshore joint venture of their business partner Shueisha? Are you asking them to allow CR to accept "hobbyist" subtitle contributions for Bleach, so if DB abandons distribution they can just upload a DB fansub to CR?

When you decide who you want to petition and what you want to ask for, find a site to set up the petition, get the snail mail contact details of the target, run the petition, send them a snail mail that you have a petition with so many signatures gathered in such and such an amount of time, would they give you an email to forward the petition and attached comments?

CR had an inside track on their petition because:
(1) They have an agent in Tokyo to make personal contacts
(2) They already work with TV Tokyo and VizMedia on Naruto, so they have the contact details already
(3) They knew exactly what they wanted to petition for - a simulcast of Bleach
(4) TV Tokyo just invested money in CR, so CR would be getting advice from inside the production committee when was the time that a successful petition would have the biggest impact - there were probably a number on the production committee in favor, and some sitting on the fence, with nobody absolutely opposed.

Good luck.
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Posted 6/8/10

mordaane wrote:


BlackAirs87 wrote:

I don't like DB because they bad mouthed Soul Eater and they felt obligated to show their hatred by subbing an episode with totally different translations..just because they hated it they wasted time and energy...F.U. DB...I rather come here to CR and get my anime fix legally and not steal it like most people. CR is the future for anime


See...its thinking like this is...why I feel I won't last at CR. Do you think the pennies you spend at CR will support Anime for the future? If you are paying for streaming it is just still barely above leeching. Like tossing a couple of coins into a water fountain.

If your not paying for DVDs/Blu-Rays, Manga, and other Merchandise...ie shirts, figurines, and etc...then Anime won't have much of an exciting future.


Leech streaming sites don't sell DVDs/Blu-Rays, Manga, or other Merchandise - and they have no incentive to do so.

That's the difference between the last five years and the decade that went before.

Leech streaming sites take the streams they've found or uploaded on some free video streaming site, produced by an anime production studio in Japan, subtitled by a professional subtitling house (for their DVD and stream rips), or by a fansub group. And then they sell advertising on their own site to generate income from the views, when 99% of the work is being done by somebody else.

Too few of the people watching the leech streaming sites are like you, buying DVDs/Blu-Rays, manga, merchandise, etc. ... and we know that they are not because the leech streaming audience is growing but the anime market is collapsing.

An exciting future for anime is one where ad-streams are widely available and widely watched. That audience provides a platform for selling streaming subscriptions, downloads, merchandise, and archival media.

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Posted 6/8/10
I did mention that in the forums..we are gonna see an anime collapse due to all the torrents and lack of good works. one way to save on cash they seem to not realize is to not do fillers..for one it saves the budget and two you keep the series going.
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Posted 6/8/10
If they don't do fillers, then the anime will catch up with the manga, then the anime will either have to end, or unlikely wait until the next volume of manga is out. How long does it take to make one volume of manga? Your statement kind of says that the anime fillers should not be done but instead wait until the manga is done then only make the anime. I'm not too good with these kinds of talks/debate~
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Posted 6/8/10
Heh, can't even watch Bleach here. I feel left out due to licensing limitations, but, whatever anime on CR, I won't watch it.
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