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Posted 6/9/10 , edited 6/9/10

TheAncientOne wrote:

In another topic, a person claimed the same was true of buying R1 discs; that the Japanese producer of the anime saw little profit from these, and used that as justification for going with fansubs instead, and stated really supporting the producer required importing discs from Japan.

Of course, that person didn't provide any numbers on what a Japanese company typically receives from sales of R1 media, which makes their claim rather suspect.

One major obvious differences between leeching or fansubs, and legal streaming. One pays the rights holder nothing, the other pays something.

Regardless of what the companies receive from CR, it is obvious they find it acceptable.

Legal streaming is simply the response of the industry to try and make additional income in the face of illegal online streams and torrents. Time will tell if it is an effective response, but I think it will be found to be so.


LOL,

I don't think I can ever accept that. I know I spent at least between 2-3k a year, if not more, on anime...the last 3 years. There is no way the 60.00 dollars I spent here is making all that much of an impact.

CR doesn't provide any numbers either...you seem to have a lot of faith in them.


Posted 6/9/10

speekma wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


speekma wrote:

"Only DB's subs are good"
"CR has crap subs"
"Very low quality subs on CR"
"Viz do horrible translations"

I hear this kind of crap a lot. Makes me wonder why the people who say this are even on CR. I love Crunchyroll's subs. Like everyone else, I was a little skeptical of how the subs for Bleach would turn out. But they were FINE.

From what I've been reading, assuming that the bragfest going on here is actually backed up by fact, half of you are totally fluent in Japanese, to the point where no CR sub is enjoyable to you, because you spend the entire episode picking out every small error in translation.

Having watched Bleach now both from CR and DB, I can confidently say that the differences in translation are so minor that I can barely tell the difference, and the most important thing, the story, is still totally intact.

Since the subs are more or less the same, and the story is more or less the same, I'm glad I don't have to go to DB for bleach anymore. I liked DB, but now I can watch Bleach Tuesday night instead of Wednesday morning, and I've just deleted all the DB Bleach episodes off my computer, so there's a good 40gigs free.

Not sure why I even bother with this post though. The people that it's directed at are the kind of people who get handed something awesome on a silver platter, and complain that the platter isn't gold.


pardon my french, but people bitch to just to bitch, noting hardly ever satisfies people anymore. I am not a big fan bleach my-self but I just blasted through the episodes that where uploaded yesterday and I did not see nothing wrong with the subs. People in general will never be happy no matter what others do. on your computer, I just recommend getting a external 1 terabyte hard drive, that's over 1,000gigs bro. :3


Already have a TB external, with about 400gigs of anime, so every time an anime I have gets on CR, I delete it.


oh you do the same thing I do x3 okay then lol xP
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Posted 6/9/10

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TheAncientOne wrote:



LOL,

I don't think I can ever accept that. I know I spent at least between 2-3k a year, if not more, on anime...the last 3 years. There is no way the 60.00 dollars I spent here is making all that much of an impact.

CR doesn't provide any numbers either...you seem to have a lot of faith in them.

I have faith that the rights holders are not simply giving their content to CR so it can make more money than they. As the amount for CR's membership fees is public, the rights holder for an anime has a starting point for negotiation.

The person arguing that R1 discs return little revenue to the company back in Japan was as mentioned, trying to use it as justification for going with fansubs instead, which is why the lack of any numbers made it suspect.

In the end, some money is always better than no money.

From what I have seen in discussions online, you are a rarity compared the the vast majority that are 10-15 years your junior, in that you actually buy DVDs. Most of them complain the $60 a year for CR is too much, so do you really think they are?

If fansubs were still a good promotional tool that resulted in later DVD sales, I expect the companies back in Japan would have no problem continuing on that way. I feel that way is over, however, and most expect their media for free, much as had happened with music.

In that same topic, at least one user flat out stated that it didn't matter if he did not pay for anime, as the market outside of Japan was insignificant to the bottom line (yet a further escalation of "that much of an impact").

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'LOL' as a person who lived in Japan for 8 years, and has a girlfriend who is from Japan. We have one thing we do agree on, fan subs from Dattebayo was over jazzed and far from what was really being said. The fan subbers had to be some childish no nothing who had no understanding what words really mean. But I am not attacking just Dattebayo subbing. It is the same for VIZ and all other fan subbing groups I have seen of late. Maby I should make a subbing business and make real subs so you can compare what is really being said to what their fan subs spew.



Oh! trying to show off huh?
It's called LOCALIZATION.
HAHAHAHAHA grammar.
Please, as if you can ever do that.



U mad?


That guy is always mad. I'm not sure if I've ever seen a positive post from him.
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Posted 6/9/10

wishi42 wrote:

Something DB didn't do was to block people based on regions. CR does that to the extend. Whether paying or not.

CR is a legal operation, so they have to obey licensing restrictions. If they were not able to obtain rights to stream to a specific region, they can't. Since DB is an illegal operation, they had no reason to worry about such restrictions.


Furthermore DB didn't stream. Streaming sucks for a couple of reasons. One of the main problems is that it cuts of the film. That really sucks and happens regularly. There's no DL option.

Streaming sucks for you, but not everyone.

Out of curiosity, are you using a wired or wireless connection from your computer to your router or internet gateway?

CR had a download option in the past, but it was a "purchase and download" option. The license holder isn't going to give you a download for the same price as a stream (which is effectively a form of rental).

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Posted 6/9/10 , edited 6/9/10

disbebryan wrote:


mozychan

Kadushy, you have a point about the localizing and it is a valid argument IMO. Although, for someone like me who has also lived in Japan for a couple of years, it can be rather distractive and irritating at times when watching a show with hard subs that have been translated differently from what is actually being said. That's one of the reasons I prefer CR's soft subs... I can turn them off whenever I feel like it.

-moose


Seeing as you've downloaded from Dattebayo before. Just curious have you ever tried searching on google or something like idk... Bleach Episode ... Raw? I know a lot of websites that have real healthy torrents for raw bleach episodes.


Yes, I'm well aware of that. With a legit service such as CR however, they're almost unnecessary. I do not appreciate pirating when a legal option is otherwise available. Also, I often connect my computer to my big HDTV w/ a HDMI cable, so those 720P and 480P stream offerings on CR are essential to my viewing experience.

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Posted 6/9/10

zeratul678 wrote:

Thanks, that was fulfilling in an educational way. So, this means that most manga that are not yet completed have fillers in the anime most of the time, right?


The three big long-running series normally do. Instead of risk losing a steady audience by putting something else in its place for a season, they will generate one or several side stories..

A shorter, less famous manga series might already be finished before it gets an anime, or before the anime catches up, so there is no need for filler. Or it might be like Tegami Bachi Letter Bee, they animated one season, then announced it would come back three seasons later.

Sometimes an anime finishes before the manga does, and either stops with the end of an arc, or goes off in its own direction away from the manga. Full Metal Alchemist did the second ... Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood is going to finish just after the manga finishes, and the mangaka shared the ending with the people making the anime.
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At least Dattebayo went out with class. They never badmouthed Crunchyroll. They made a mature, wise decision.

After watching Viz's subs of Bleach, I have to say that I am not impressed. I have a pretty good knowledge of the Japanese language. I am not fluent, but I do have pretty strong conversational skills. Some of the subs were somewhat off. I'm not saying DB's subs were perfect because they weren't. Dattebayo often took words that can also be translated as curse words and used the curse word form. Such as; yarou, kuso, kiisama. In my recollection I don't recall them using erroneous cursing. Whatever cusses they added could be seen as a "translation choice"

Some people say "cripes" some people say "sh**". It happens lol

I have to admit, though, that I am biased in Datttebayo and have been watching their subs for several years. Overall they had great accuracy. Viz's subs were pretty accurate too, but I feel that Viz uses more "literal" translation and sometimes certain things get lost.


sometimes get lost is an understatement lol!

by downgrading words like that you lose the emphasis that the writers tried to convey - basically you lose all the emotion and the really cool baddass side of everything with viz - thats what pisses me off the most... :/
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BlackAirs87 wrote:

I don't like DB because they bad mouthed Soul Eater and they felt obligated to show their hatred by subbing an episode with totally different translations..just because they hated it they wasted time and energy...F.U. DB...I rather come here to CR and get my anime fix legally and not steal it like most people. CR is the future for anime


DB is entitled to their own opinion and this isnt supposed to be a flaming post take it somewhere else - most of DBs followers also agree that soul eater sucks - starting an opinionated war on my forum post is just gonna get this thing locked and I DONT WANT THAT
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@ mordaane....anime torrents are the real thieves..they take away the money the creators and artists need to make it in the Industry. CR always people here to get their fix and not feel like they are ruining someone's life on the other side of the world. I don't feel as guilty as others who download anime without paying for it. its called SUPPORTING ART!!!!


you missed his point entirely, im not even sure where you're going with this because you made a point that is irrelevant...
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Posted 6/17/10

speekma wrote:

"Only DB's subs are good"
"CR has crap subs"
"Very low quality subs on CR"
"Viz do horrible translations"

I hear this kind of crap a lot. Makes me wonder why the people who say this are even on CR. I love Crunchyroll's subs. Like everyone else, I was a little skeptical of how the subs for Bleach would turn out. But they were FINE.

From what I've been reading, assuming that the bragfest going on here is actually backed up by fact, half of you are totally fluent in Japanese, to the point where no CR sub is enjoyable to you, because you spend the entire episode picking out every small error in translation.

Having watched Bleach now both from CR and DB, I can confidently say that the differences in translation are so minor that I can barely tell the difference, and the most important thing, the story, is still totally intact.

Since the subs are more or less the same, and the story is more or less the same, I'm glad I don't have to go to DB for bleach anymore. I liked DB, but now I can watch Bleach Tuesday night instead of Wednesday morning, and I've just deleted all the DB Bleach episodes off my computer, so there's a good 40gigs free.

Not sure why I even bother with this post though. The people that it's directed at are the kind of people who get handed something awesome on a silver platter, and complain that the platter isn't gold.


if you cant tell the differences in the subbing translations you are either a blind or simply too young to pick up on grammar errors and/or do not care about the childish watered down text and/or completely different meanings VIZ uses instead of what is actually being said...

with that said... CR doesnt do SUBS thats VIZ's handycrap CR just streams the crap VIZ is the official license holder and makes a shit load of money for their crap

and if you didnt want the 40gigs on your comp you should have deleted it as you watched eps... and i didnt say ONLY DB subs are good either, i just havent personally found someone who translates for the targeted age group and doesnt fuck up grammar and spelling and meanings like they try so hard to maintain...

go rage somewhere else
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Posted 6/17/10

wishi42 wrote:

Something DB didn't do was to block people based on regions. CR does that to the extend. Whether paying or not.
Furthermore DB didn't stream. Streaming sucks for a couple of reasons. One of the main problems is that it cuts of the film. That really sucks and happens regularly. There's no DL option.

Regarding the discussion of the subtitle quality: no DB didn't 1:1 translate. That's impossible. Have you ever tried translating some American idioms to Japanese? Try!

And where's the karaoke?

Have fun!


thank god someone understood my point sure you cant 1:1 but you can get as close as possible!

DB DOES try at least :/

VIZ is just like i can has masturbate?!
Posted 6/17/10

CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'LOL' as a person who lived in Japan for 8 years, and has a girlfriend who is from Japan. We have one thing we do agree on, fan subs from Datebayo was over jazzed and far from what was really being said. The fan subbers had to be some childish no nothing who had no understanding what words really mean. But I am not attacking just Datebayo subbing. It is the same for VIZ and all other fan subbing groups I have seen of late. Maby I should make a subbing business and make real subs so you can compare what is really being said to what their fan subs spew.


you think they are bad try watching coalguys for b gata h kei, dear lord I have never lol'd so hard in my life bro.


You never watched Saint Seiya subbed. They said Mary impregnated Jesus.
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Posted 6/17/10

TheAncientOne wrote:


wishi42 wrote:

Something DB didn't do was to block people based on regions. CR does that to the extend. Whether paying or not.

CR is a legal operation, so they have to obey licensing restrictions. If they were not able to obtain rights to stream to a specific region, they can't. Since DB is an illegal operation, they had no reason to worry about such restrictions.


Furthermore DB didn't stream. Streaming sucks for a couple of reasons. One of the main problems is that it cuts of the film. That really sucks and happens regularly. There's no DL option.

Streaming sucks for you, but not everyone.

Out of curiosity, are you using a wired or wireless connection from your computer to your router or internet gateway?

CR had a download option in the past, but it was a "purchase and download" option. The license holder isn't going to give you a download for the same price as a stream (which is effectively a form of rental).



in reality even if you have the best computer in the world streaming is less quality then hard copy it takes up more resources on the computer and therefore WILL ALWAYS affect the quality, a more expensive computer will have less noticeable differences but a cheaper one say like a 400-1k$ USD laptop it is extremely noticeable almost grotesque; however dont think im arguing cause i have to pay for anime im just saying id rather have hard copies - but unless bleach and naruto get a real subbing company i wont buy that shit lol
Posted 6/17/10

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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'LOL' as a person who lived in Japan for 8 years, and has a girlfriend who is from Japan. We have one thing we do agree on, fan subs from Datebayo was over jazzed and far from what was really being said. The fan subbers had to be some childish no nothing who had no understanding what words really mean. But I am not attacking just Datebayo subbing. It is the same for VIZ and all other fan subbing groups I have seen of late. Maby I should make a subbing business and make real subs so you can compare what is really being said to what their fan subs spew.


you think they are bad try watching coalguys for b gata h kei, dear lord I have never lol'd so hard in my life bro.


You never watched Saint Seiya subbed. They said Mary impregnated Jesus.


what I don't even o.o but well that's "troll" subs for you.
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