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I'm okay with DB's decision to drop Bleach (that was one of the main driving points in me coming to CR, along with the library of other good anime and simulcasts) and subsequent decision to pick up other projects here and there such as Hakuoki. DB even said themselves they support legal anime viewing methods, and produce subs for such anime that are not currently available to the English-speaking interested parties.

I've seen every episode of Bleach from #1 up to 275 now, and I think the DB/CR transition has been fairly smooth. Maybe there's some inaccuracies in the minor points of translation, which has been pointed out at least a dozen times is NOT DONE BY CR. I'm not concerned about that, as I don't need to hang on every........ single...... word....... to be flawless in its translation to enjoy what I believe to be an excellent show.

In summary, it's still my Bleach I love to watch every week. And thanks to coming to CR, I've been exposed to other anime I'd never heard of, so I suppose I'm actually thankful. As long as CR continues to provide what I consider a quality service, I'll have no complaints.
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Posted 6/18/10 , edited 6/18/10


I like how your saying everyone else is raging or getting upset when your clearly the one doing it the most.

Anyways, I never did understand how one could become so engrossed in DB's sub. I mean when I watch anime....once I watch an episode of an anime and finish it, I watch another episode of another anime and so forth. Not once have I ever seen an animes subs and gone like "Holy crap, these subs are good!" Maybe thats because I dont know Japanese. But seriously, how does someone out of the blue just downright adore a subbing a group. Makes me wonder if people watch Bleach for the subs and not watching Bleach for.....well Bleach.

So I guess I'll say this. If you liked Bleach ONLY due to one groups subs.....then I think something is very wrong. Unless another groups subs say something totally different 24/7....then I cant understand the hate.
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Well let me make a point Superluccix. I Don't know a ton of Japanese but I did take a year of it in collage so I do know a bit. DBs subs were by far not as perfect as everyone says they are. There are actually much smaller groups that did a much better job and was more accurate. I know this because I watched them. The reason I think so many think they are so great is because the really do not understand the language and think its the best out there, not realizing that it really isn't. This was a long time ago but I dropped DBs subs early on because of the inaccurate subs. Things may had changed since then.

My point is people come on here spew lies like they are fact and make it a huge deal. It's the same thing when on ANN forums and a big controversial thing happens and people just make up crap and say its true when actual never was even the case. It's the internet and uninformed people who just dont know any better. To be honest it's best just to ignore people like that.
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jsc315 wrote:

Well let me make a point Superluccix. I Don't know a ton of Japanese but I did take a year of it in collage so I do know a bit. DBs subs were by far not as perfect as everyone says they are. There are actually much smaller groups that did a much better job and was more accurate. I know this because I watched them. The reason I think so many think they are so great is because the really do not understand the language and think its the best out there, not realizing that it really isn't. This was a long time ago but I dropped DBs subs early on because of the inaccurate subs. Things may had changed since then.

My point is people come on here spew lies like they are fact and make it a huge deal. It's the same thing when on ANN forums and a big controversial thing happens and people just make up crap and say its true when actual never was even the case. It's the internet and uninformed people who just dont know any better. To be honest it's best just to ignore people like that.


Hmm....Ive never been able to compare DB's subs to others...but from what you and what others have said....even the ones who are die-hard fans of DB....they said that DB would not give accurate subs so that they could put words that felt more fitting.....so I guess your statement is true.

And yea I guess it is best to ignore them. Guess I thought maybe I could get an insight on the logic of the DB supporters...but so far that logic is lost to me.

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superluccix wrote:


jsc315 wrote:

Well let me make a point Superluccix. I Don't know a ton of Japanese but I did take a year of it in collage so I do know a bit. DBs subs were by far not as perfect as everyone says they are. There are actually much smaller groups that did a much better job and was more accurate. I know this because I watched them. The reason I think so many think they are so great is because the really do not understand the language and think its the best out there, not realizing that it really isn't. This was a long time ago but I dropped DBs subs early on because of the inaccurate subs. Things may had changed since then.

My point is people come on here spew lies like they are fact and make it a huge deal. It's the same thing when on ANN forums and a big controversial thing happens and people just make up crap and say its true when actual never was even the case. It's the internet and uninformed people who just dont know any better. To be honest it's best just to ignore people like that.


Hmm....Ive never been able to compare DB's subs to others...but from what you and what others have said....even the ones who are die-hard fans of DB....they said that DB would not give accurate subs so that they could put words that felt more fitting.....so I guess your statement is true.

And yea I guess it is best to ignore them. Guess I thought maybe I could get an insight on the logic of the DB supporters...but so far that logic is lost to me.



I'm guessing that makes me the "chopped liver" in this equation. Wounded to my core. T_T
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Posted 6/18/10 , edited 6/18/10

cmatlick wrote:


superluccix wrote:


jsc315 wrote:

Well let me make a point Superluccix. I Don't know a ton of Japanese but I did take a year of it in collage so I do know a bit. DBs subs were by far not as perfect as everyone says they are. There are actually much smaller groups that did a much better job and was more accurate. I know this because I watched them. The reason I think so many think they are so great is because the really do not understand the language and think its the best out there, not realizing that it really isn't. This was a long time ago but I dropped DBs subs early on because of the inaccurate subs. Things may had changed since then.

My point is people come on here spew lies like they are fact and make it a huge deal. It's the same thing when on ANN forums and a big controversial thing happens and people just make up crap and say its true when actual never was even the case. It's the internet and uninformed people who just dont know any better. To be honest it's best just to ignore people like that.


Hmm....Ive never been able to compare DB's subs to others...but from what you and what others have said....even the ones who are die-hard fans of DB....they said that DB would not give accurate subs so that they could put words that felt more fitting.....so I guess your statement is true.

And yea I guess it is best to ignore them. Guess I thought maybe I could get an insight on the logic of the DB supporters...but so far that logic is lost to me.



I'm guessing that makes me the "chopped liver" in this equation. Wounded to my core. T_T


? Not sure what you mean but...I found your post to have sound logic in it. Im trying to think how my post rubbed badly on you. Um...your not one of the people that I would ignore? Not sure if that was it, since your posts have seemed pretty reasonable. If its cuz I didnt quote it...well thats because I thought it was a good enough post as it was hehe Or maybe its when I said DB die-hard fan supporters who dont like CR....I only meant the people who hated CR due to DB's decision.
Crap I dont know where I went wrong but I didnt mean to say anything bad against you D:
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superluccix wrote:


cmatlick wrote:


superluccix wrote:


jsc315 wrote:

Well let me make a point Superluccix. I Don't know a ton of Japanese but I did take a year of it in collage so I do know a bit. DBs subs were by far not as perfect as everyone says they are. There are actually much smaller groups that did a much better job and was more accurate. I know this because I watched them. The reason I think so many think they are so great is because the really do not understand the language and think its the best out there, not realizing that it really isn't. This was a long time ago but I dropped DBs subs early on because of the inaccurate subs. Things may had changed since then.

My point is people come on here spew lies like they are fact and make it a huge deal. It's the same thing when on ANN forums and a big controversial thing happens and people just make up crap and say its true when actual never was even the case. It's the internet and uninformed people who just dont know any better. To be honest it's best just to ignore people like that.


Hmm....Ive never been able to compare DB's subs to others...but from what you and what others have said....even the ones who are die-hard fans of DB....they said that DB would not give accurate subs so that they could put words that felt more fitting.....so I guess your statement is true.

And yea I guess it is best to ignore them. Guess I thought maybe I could get an insight on the logic of the DB supporters...but so far that logic is lost to me.



I'm guessing that makes me the "chopped liver" in this equation. Wounded to my core. T_T


? Not sure what you mean but...I found your post to have sound logic in it. Im trying to think how my post rubbed badly on you. Um...your not one of the people that I would ignore? Not sure if that was it, since your posts have seemed pretty reasonable. If its cuz I didnt quote it...well thats because I thought it was a good enough post as it was hehe Or maybe its when I said DB die-hard fan supporters who dont like CR....I only meant the people who hated CR due to DB's decision.
Crap I dont know where I went wrong but I didnt mean to say anything bad against you D:


I was only adding a bit of self-deprecating humor to the thread. The statement "Guess I thought maybe I could get an insight on the logic of the DB supporters...but so far that logic is lost to me" was more the focus of my light jab. I'm a DB supporter, and I'm passably logical. I might be the exception to the rule, but still.


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Oh, well I guess I was aiming towards the people who refuse to watch Bleach simply because DB isnt subbing it. Those people are the logic I cant understand. Sorry for the confusion I suppose
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People who go for a product (or do not go for said product) simply because of who makes it don't really use logic, so there's none to be found.
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Posted 6/18/10 , edited 6/18/10
Well that sums it up
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Posted 6/18/10
DB forever!! Cr is ok too but yeah its not DB
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Posted 6/18/10
All this blu, blu, bla, bla is making me sick, Forum! So many talk about subs; here's what I think of them.

When someone reads aloud, the people who listen to the story being told are only going to enjoy it if the reader can read in such a way that makes it interesting for his/ her audience. If the media is being translated, you gotta make it even more interesting + add some translation of the culture because the context of culture means everything to a story's meaning. THEREFORE I think VIS should keep that in mind when they translate, DB should keep that in mind when they translate. And WE should keep that in mind when we read subs or listen to dubs.

If you want to get what they are saying, learn the language and the culture, or else, don't complain.
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I like how your saying everyone else is raging or getting upset when your clearly the one doing it the most.

Anyways, I never did understand how one could become so engrossed in DB's sub. I mean when I watch anime....once I watch an episode of an anime and finish it, I watch another episode of another anime and so forth. Not once have I ever seen an animes subs and gone like "Holy crap, these subs are good!" Maybe thats because I dont know Japanese. But seriously, how does someone out of the blue just downright adore a subbing a group. Makes me wonder if people watch Bleach for the subs and not watching Bleach for.....well Bleach.

So I guess I'll say this. If you liked Bleach ONLY due to one groups subs.....then I think something is very wrong. Unless another groups subs say something totally different 24/7....then I cant understand the hate.


i've watched subs for years... and the only reason i started doing that was because how bad viz fails at translating for the dub producers in american and european cartoon network stations - they make the show look like its meant for 6 year old nap time - when compared to the japanese version there's sexual innuendos all the way to cursing and vulgarity of any kind - ive jumped around on alot of fansub groups because everytime i find one better i simply switch, like i said in the very first post...

until i find one that can do a better job then db i wont stop QQing i watch a show for the show first, but if the vocals make me feel like im too old for this shit then it really pisses me off and i think thats the main point of anyone who complains about VIZ media it's disgusting
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superluccix wrote:

Oh, well I guess I was aiming towards the people who refuse to watch Bleach simply because DB isnt subbing it. Those people are the logic I cant understand. Sorry for the confusion I suppose


a love of manga and anime watchers have a deep seated hatred for viz media they are notorious for crap subs again i dont get why other people here think CR has anything to do with the subs lol... CR just uploads VIZ subs... and yet they still continue to argue the shit it makes me laugh... i wonder if they realize how incompetent they are?
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superluccix wrote:

Oh, well I guess I was aiming towards the people who refuse to watch Bleach simply because DB isnt subbing it. Those people are the logic I cant understand. Sorry for the confusion I suppose


a love of manga and anime watchers have a deep seated hatred for viz media they are notorious for crap subs again i dont get why other people here think CR has anything to do with the subs lol... CR just uploads VIZ subs... and yet they still continue to argue the shit it makes me laugh... i wonder if they realize how incompetent they are?


I don't know that incompetence really plays into it that much. most likely a lot of it is they just aren't informed or don't care to be so. All the your average person will see is the service they didn't have to pay for is giving it up and now if they want their fix they have to pay for it which in some cases will cause them to get mad for whatever reason. Honestly I don't really care WHO subs the show so long as I can watch the japanese dialog rather than wait for god knows how long for the english dub to catch up which unfortunately requires one to sit through the filler arcs like the amagai shuusuke arc and the previous filler which I have chosen to forget what it was called if it had a title at all.

If you want to see crappy subs people, check out import DVD's of anime. Now THAT is some awful subbing. After that you might have an appreciation for the viz subs lol
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