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Posted 6/8/10 , edited 6/8/10

SS400Goku wrote:

It would make MUCH more sense to shorten it to something like 3 days until free users can see it.


3 days, 3 days says the non-prem member. People are paying for a reason; CR isn't a charity. It's a thin line they walk - making someone wait too long, and they risk losing a potential customer. If they don't wait long enough, people will be satisfied with the wait times, and have no incentive to go premium other than content being streamed at a higher quality.

Personally, I think 1 week is the perfect amount of time, I'm sure they've put a considerable amount of thought into this, at least more than you or I realize.

Also, what exactly do you propose CR do about purchasing the licensing rights to stream anime they offer globally? How would that be economically feasible or even logical? I'm sure they have some sort of limit they can spend per anime, the more popular the anime the higher the limit.

The only way I see them expanding their streaming service to other regions is via petitions, or the demand in the already available territories rising to a point in which it allows them to take more risks involving offering their services in areas where demand is questionable.

Also as a side note: Calling your own rant constructive is a bit lul worthy, who are you to make such a claim? Most of what you cover in your post is:

a.) Not logical following a consumer model
b.) Not logical financially at the time being
c.) Stating the obvious (I'm 100% sure that if everyone stopped coming to this site, CR would shut down.) - Loved this little gem, thanks.
d.) Already discussed ad infinitum
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The only problem is that I can't watch it here because of licensing limitations. I hope Cr gets the license needed for to be shown here in the Philippines.
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Pirating? You got to be kidding me right? Wouldn't every other fansub group be pirating then? Didn't realize taking a PUBLIC tv show, and adding subs to share with others be considered pirating. So If I were to stream, I am in the clear now? Didn't I achieve the same goal, watching a tv show.


It may be a PUBLIC TV show but you gotta think.
1. Public TV shows have ADs that pay for the production.
2. Even if its a "FREE" TV show you still have to pay a service provider bill (Cable TV) that offers the service. (antenna T.V.s no longer exist to me)
3. Congratulations to those who learn Japanese and sub in English and sub them, but They "stole" the TV show and spread it without permission. (I think that pretty much explains the whole pirating)
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Posted 6/9/10

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Paulenski wrote:

Pirating? You got to be kidding me right? Wouldn't every other fansub group be pirating then? Didn't realize taking a PUBLIC tv show, and adding subs to share with others be considered pirating. So If I were to stream, I am in the clear now? Didn't I achieve the same goal, watching a tv show.


It may be a PUBLIC TV show but you gotta think.
1. Public TV shows have ADs that pay for the production.
2. Even if its a "FREE" TV show you still have to pay a service provider bill (Cable TV) that offers the service. (antenna T.V.s no longer exist to me)
3. Congratulations to those who learn Japanese and sub in English and sub them, but They "stole" the TV show and spread it without permission. (I think that pretty much explains the whole pirating)


Well for one, Tv Toyko is a standard channel in Japan, Channel 12, which is apart of the 12 total channels that are public channels. So no cable bill of any sort. The popularity of the show sells their merchandise and the series/movie dvd relases, I'm sure they make plenty aside from its once a week 30 minute slot it takes up.

Posted 6/9/10

Paulenski wrote:Pirating? You got to be kidding me right? Wouldn't every other fansub group be pirating then? Didn't realize taking a PUBLIC tv show, and adding subs to share with others be considered pirating. So If I were to stream, I am in the clear now? Didn't I achieve the same goal, watching a tv show.


I suggest you read this article about the legality of fan subs:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2003-06-08/3

If you don't feel like reading that article, then at least note:

"Within U.S. copyright law is a “fair use” statute that basically allows for a person to restrictively duplicate or share copyrighted material for casual use within limited circumstances. For example, if you purchase a book and let your neighbor read it when you’re through, this is considered fair use. Fair use also allows for copying tracks off your legally purchased CDs to make a personal compilation of music. Along the same lines it is also legal to make a “hard copy” (video tape or digital recording) of your favorite program as it is broadcast to your television. Fair use does not allow for re-distribution or sale of copyrighted materials."

Taken from http://www.wisegeek.com/is-it-legal-to-download-tv-shows.htm
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deathmagnet4 wrote:


Paulenski wrote:

Pirating? You got to be kidding me right? Wouldn't every other fansub group be pirating then? Didn't realize taking a PUBLIC tv show, and adding subs to share with others be considered pirating. So If I were to stream, I am in the clear now? Didn't I achieve the same goal, watching a tv show.


It may be a PUBLIC TV show but you gotta think.
1. Public TV shows have ADs that pay for the production.
2. Even if its a "FREE" TV show you still have to pay a service provider bill (Cable TV) that offers the service. (antenna T.V.s no longer exist to me)
3. Congratulations to those who learn Japanese and sub in English and sub them, but They "stole" the TV show and spread it without permission. (I think that pretty much explains the whole pirating)


I think the problem is that a lot of people don't actually want to admit there's anything illegal with what they're doing because then they might actually have to take a degree of responsibility for their actions. I mean if people are going to pirate fansubs then go for it, but at least have the balls to call a cigar a cigar.
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Thanks for posting this Basou. It was about time all the people that keep thinking they are blindly supporting DB by bashing CR on the forums sees some reason.

Also, this should stay open because Basou himself has already stated that he is willing to take more good questions and add them to his OP FAQ. It would make more sense to have those questions directed in one thread rather than a dozen PM's and guest posts on his profile.
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One thing that many people who have seen DB's subs agree on is that DB has been by far THE BEST in terms of quality in both their subs and their products. That's one reason why people are so upset over CR's acquisition of Bleach.

Another is that while it may be true that the Japanese language doesnt truly have curse words, just various forms of being rude, DB has been by far the "preferred" version of subs as opposed to Viz. I'm not saying one is wrong and the other isn't, I'm saying that they both have their own way of doing things, and DB's happens to lean towards a more mature audience than Viz does. I think (meaning this is MY personal opinion) in this case that DB made an appropriate decision because most of the people watching Bleach are old enough to understand words like "shit." I think that Viz should consider allowing DB to continue doing subs and just release them on CR (instead of on DB's website). In fact I think this would alleviate much of the controversy over CR's acquisition of Bleach because it would make both groups happy (to an extent), DB fans would still get to see Bleach subs the way they have, and CR fans would still be able to watch Bleach here.

Also, as for my comments in my previous post about the regional licensing. All I said was that CR should have taken care of internal matters such as regional licensing BEFORE applying for the streaming license. Valroque I don't pretend to know how CR works internally , but it seems to me that they should have thought of these regional restrictions AHEAD of time. At this point one could say that CR has falsely advertised their streaming of Bleach. When they posted on the forums saying they wanted to stream Bleach here, they didn't say "we'd like to stream Bleach, but only in certain regions," they just said "we'd like to stream Bleach" leading many fans to believe that they'd be able to watch it here. I'm just saying that CR should remain true to their original statement, and find a way to overcome those regional restrictions.
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For the record Jugga you are right, I was watching that post.
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One thing that many people who have seen DB's subs agree on is that DB has been by far THE BEST in terms of quality in both their subs and their products. That's one reason why people are so upset over CR's acquisition of Bleach.


Thing is people are pointing their anger in the wrong direction, since DB explicitly said that nothing CR did forced them to drop Bleach. It's almost as if they didn't actually read DB's announcement (shocking, I know).
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God this is getting annoying.
DB isn't the only subber. DB just found their ticket to drop bleach and so they did. They where probably just waiting for this.
I thanked them for the free fan subbing years and i expressed here that it is bull that i can't watch it but what do i do.

Instead of wasting pointless chatter to my to do list i found another subbing group that makes good subtitles and keep on watching bleach.


Do i know it's illegal. Yes.
Do i whine about DB. No
Do i think its sad about DB. Yes
Do i post crap on CR about my inner feelings (cough emo). No
Do i still watch bleach. yes
Do i still care CR has an arrangement for Bleach. No
Should you still care. No
Should we get back on topic on how epic bleach is. yes
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Posted 6/9/10 , edited 6/9/10

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~~~~~~~~ Warning Constructive Rant Ahead ~~~~~~

See the only problem I have is that when CR says they want to acquire an Anime, its like an ultimatum to Fansubbers. in this case it was a VERY popular sub group, Dattebayo. Now see another thing that I dont like is the fact that CR releases the new episodes to free users 1 week AFTER the air-date. It would make MUCH more sense to shorten it to something like 3 days until free users can see it. Now I understand that CR is a LEGAL streaming site, but the thing is though that you are to an extent "ruining" the anime fanbase. I mean sure, there are SOME people who are happy with CR, but there are a great deal of others who aren't.


How is it an ultimatum to Fansubbers? CR did not threaten fansubbers. CR did not ask fansubbers to drop the show. CR did not initiate contact with any fansubbing group. CR did not send lawyers after fansubbing groups. CR did not send Viz after fansubbing groups. CR did not ask Viz to send their lawyers after fansubbing groups.

A delay in streaming from the original air date is a very common practice among streaming sites. If CR allowed anyone to come watch the show on CR for free the same day that it aired, CR would not be able to make enough money to convince companies like TV Tokyo and VIz that it's in their business interests to make the show available for streaming. Hulu.com has the very same policy for streaming TV episodes in the US. Maybe one day broadcasters will be okay with allowing simulcast episodes online for free. But right now they aren't.


I think that CR still has quite a LOT to learn when it comes to Anime, first off Anime fans SPAN THE GLOBE. In other words, if you're going to get a streaming license for an anime like Naruto or Bleach, you should ensure that ALL of your users can view it, and not just the ones that you have regional permission from. Things like acquiring regional permission should be done BEFORE applying for the license. My point is that CR was saying how it wanted to bring Bleach over and they acquired amazing support for their cause, however I feel it was a mistake on their part not to inform the users of the details that some of them might not be able to view it EVEN IF THEY HAVE A PREMIUM membership.


Region restrictions are a very ugly mess in the licensing world. Each country has their own laws and own systems for dealing with copyrighted content. Some contracts written in one country may not be valid for another country. So it's very hard to acquire a license in every country at once. Some companies only operate in one country and don't want to pay for distribution rights in other country that they'll never use. Fansubbers are obviously not beholden to region restrictions because they operate outside the law.


Another thing, and this is directed towards Basou and the other members of the moderating team. You need to give people a place to express their feelings about what's happened now on the forums, be it a sticky or a regular thread on the forums. So far most of the threads i've seen that have discussed the debate of CR vs. DB and the problems that users are having viewing Bleach, have been LOCKED, giving people nowhere to go to talk about this. Yes I understand that the forums have guidelines and rules that must be followed, but the point still remains that you need to allow people to talk about EVERYTHING concerning CR, ESPECIALLY the controversial things (albeit constructively).


You have this thread, don't you? The other threads were getting old and obsolete so they were locked. You're also free to create your own threads if you like.


I'm not accusing CR of "stealing" Bleach, although many people have said this in a metaphorical sense. I'm saying that I'm highly displeased with the way CR is going about this. My main point of this post is that I think CR is really only making moves that seem to be ideal in a BUSINESS sense.


Yes, CR is a business... Shocker.


However, while CR may be a business, it's also subject to user review and feedback. Like for example, I'm 100% sure that if everyone stopped coming to this site, CR would shut down. That's an example of User Review at work, the example showed what happens to what people deem as "bad sites." If CR were to change its practices concerning some of the BIG POPULAR Anime (i.e. Bleach, Naruto, Gundam, etc.) then there would be less "backlash" and fewer unhappy users, and my guess....more subscribing users too.


Which practices would you like to see changed? All you have to do is wait a week to see the shows you like. I've watched the shows, and the subtitles are great. The standard definition streams aren't the best quality, but they're free. There are plenty of users happy with CR. It seems to me that all the "backlash" is from people who don't know anything about CR. Give CR a chance first, then come back and complain.
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Posted 6/9/10
SS400Goku, looking back on my post directed to you, I'm a bit regretful I took things to a more personal level. You seem like a logical fellow even though we disagree on key issues.

I think the main keypoint people need to focus on is that while 'certain' fansubbers may be a bit ahead in some areas, by supporting them you aren't supporting the creators of the anime. If enough people complain about the official subs, they are bound to change.

If you truly love your anime of choice, now is the time to show your support, in a way that actually means something.
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Hi everyone I am Karkarov our friendly neighborhood Library Moderator. This thread seems to have gotten a little too ... high strung. Lets all do our best to keep it civil and avoid making insulting, derogatory, inflammatory, condescending, or otherwise just plain mean posts. This is obviously a hot topic and everyone has a strong opinion they want to share but you have to be respectful of the other users when you do it or your posts will be modded.
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