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The end of manga hosting sites
Posted 6/15/10
Yeah but metaphorically speaking that's like robbing someone then giving them there wallet back. I used that same type of logic when I used to read Scanalations but it's not really people reading obscure or out of print titles or people reading them then going out and buying it latter (all though that seems like cognitive dissonance if you ask me.) The problem is the agrigator websites hosting copyrighted and readily available material owned by companies and the mentality of some in the fan community feeling that they're some how "owed" something by that's the main problem.
Posted 6/15/10

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Parsifal wrote:

AllI can say is good riddance it's the something for nothing mentality that's the Manga industry to quote from Brian Hanson of the hay Answer man Column over at ANN perhaps those who read scanalations will, NO LONGER ACT LIKE SPOILED, IMPETUOUS CHILDREN!


right just like the whole piracy does not equal sale b.s. . if not for certain scanalations or fan-subs I would have never bought the dvd's or manga in the 1st place. I like to use my money wisely when buying stuff. On a side note people from ANN can blow me because of all the high and mighty morality and white knights.


Use what ever self justification you want for your piracy it's still piracy and it's not about sales only it's the fact that the people that actually create the Manga are not getting there fair share for their hard work. Res ipsa loquitur
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Posted 6/15/10
Doesn't really hurt me since i buy all the manga I read anyway. I guess the only bad thing about it would be that I can't read titles before buying them. But some publishes nowadays let you read the first chapter or so on their website.
Posted 6/15/10

Parsifal wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


Parsifal wrote:

AllI can say is good riddance it's the something for nothing mentality that's the Manga industry to quote from Brian Hanson of the hay Answer man Column over at ANN perhaps those who read scanalations will, NO LONGER ACT LIKE SPOILED, IMPETUOUS CHILDREN!


right just like the whole piracy does not equal sale b.s. . if not for certain scanalations or fan-subs I would have never bought the dvd's or manga in the 1st place. I like to use my money wisely when buying stuff. On a side note people from ANN can blow me because of all the high and mighty morality and white knights.


Use what ever self justification you want for your piracy it's still piracy and it's not about sales only it's the fact that the people that actually create the Manga are not getting there fair share for their hard work. Res ipsa loquitur


hmm I do agree on some what and I never said that piracy is not piracy I tend to pirate all the time but I do buy a lot as well, I have spent 4000 this year alone on anime dvd's games and manga. It is still illegal but I still do it, if any thing happens then oh well I could care less. Also do you think every mangka is getting payed fairly for every manga sold in America?? I really laugh at that, when a series is licesned they only pay so much to the mangka to do so, so when a series sells well here and they make even or more that money only goes to the license company not the artist or the mangka that drew it. So is that really fair??? Also not every series is licensed here and why should there be some stupid barrier that was put in place back in the 80's it's time the laws catch up with the technology in the world. We are not as Isolated as we used to be, and it's damn time we do something about it. sigh sorry for the rant I am not in good mood right now.
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Posted 6/15/10
***Update***

So Gobslotch started another forum post called: "Crunchy getting Manga?
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-06-15/e-book-pub-bitway-invests-us$750000-in-crunchyroll
Looks like it's coming. Glad to see the moon people embracing Crunchy. "

Thanks for the post Gobslotch! So while it doesn't solve this issue of manga hosting sites being shut down, it is encouraging that CR will pick up legal manga, hopefully like they have anime now.
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Posted 6/15/10

bassoonbg wrote:

***Update***

So Gobslotch started another forum post called: "Crunchy getting Manga?
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-06-15/e-book-pub-bitway-invests-us$750000-in-crunchyroll
Looks like it's coming. Glad to see the moon people embracing Crunchy. "

Thanks for the post Gobslotch! So while it doesn't solve this issue of manga hosting sites being shut down, it is encouraging that CR will pick up legal manga, hopefully like they have anime now.


Hmm, interesting
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Posted 6/15/10
Well, maybe it is time to grow up. I won't let the manga industry be like the newspapaer industry!!! And neither should YOU! (sorry for like triple posts)
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Posted 6/15/10
This is so stupid! If it wasn't for site's like Mangafox or Onemanga I wouldn't have read as many mangas as i have. What I read online is what I eventually buy from bookstores. I'm actually really grateful for these sites or else I wouldn't have read good mangas like Bitter Virgin. I'm still hoping that this manga is published here in the U.S. It pisses me off so much...They better not take these sites away!
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Posted 6/15/10 , edited 6/15/10
This is a stupid idea. Longer series will lose ALOT of potential readers because: Lets take One Piece for example, one day a kid buys a Jump magazine and notices how great one piece is. But in order for him to read all the chapters before he will have to buy over 50 volumes priced at 5 dollars (just a random number). He is not a hardcore fan (only hardcore fans will buy 50 volumes of something) nor will he ever be one because he does not have that kind of money. This will destroy the manga business because not everyone started reading certain series at the time it began and no1 wants to jump into a middle of a series without any idea of what happened beforehand. If not for scanlations the longer series of Jump like One Piece, Naruto, Gintama, Bleach, Detective Conan, Hunter x Hunter would all be gone by now because only people who started reading those series 10 years ago would still follow it. Everyone else would have no idea what the manga was about or what was going on. All the younger generations of Japan wont buy those mangas because they never got a chance to become a fan. All those in the US wont buy mangas in general because they dont know what a manga is since scanlations were all shut down. And then this will lead to the downfall of Jump and eventually the downfall of all animes since most animes are based off mangas. This may be exaggerated but its not far from the truth. Shutting scanlations and hosting sites will lose readers and people buying mangas which they will have to compensate for by increasing the price of mangas. Which makes this idea pointless because this idea is suppose to lower manga prices.

I have a even better idea. Why dont they make a law say that SHARING mangas is illegal. This way everyone has to buy a manga if they want to read it!
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Posted 6/15/10 , edited 6/15/10
this is sad... there are mangas that are not available in some bookstores and are only accessible on manga hosting sites...


where can we read our favorite mangas that are not even in the stores now???
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Posted 6/15/10
Im not too pleased with this situation but what else can we do? We have been reading it all for free for the last 10 years. so quit complaining!

BUT SHAME ON THE PUBLISHERS!

We all know that this is a business and people need to make their wages, but publishers can, will and are GREEDY.

Eventually this will all be solved and both sides of this arguement will get their way, BUT NOT BEFORE MANY YEARS OF RED TAPE!! lawsuits will be dished out and thousands of dollars will be recuperated. fans will be hurt.

Publishers know that they have too much product but they dont care as long as we keep buying. Their whole way of life (and cash flow) is threatened by online scanlation and free manga websites. They want us to buy from them so they can keep a profit.

Im kinda okay with that and understand where they are comming from, but I myself have spent about a thousand + dollars on manga anime and various other things. I can only spend so much before i go broke.

I understand that these companies hesitate to bring things outside of japan and we cant wait to see them in our local bookstore but
they use the excuse that the author gets nothing out of illegal scanlation. but they use that to further their own agendas.

They think that they know what best for us and want to see us spending our hard earned cash on their product.

In a crazy way, both sides of the arguement are right but neither wants to budge or give way. and that is hurting everyone.

everyone is at fault here tho! and theres not much we can do about it other than complain and whine.

but the interenet is vast and bottomless, so this whole hosting and scanlation site will just go deeper underground.



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Posted 6/15/10
Ive heard rumors of super "I HAVE ALOT OF TIME ON MY HANDS" scan groups getting together to stock hold their manga into one big abyss. Sounds extremely hard to do considering the masses of it. But really what do the publishers expect from this? It's just gonna be re-uploaded on stuff like lime-wire and such.
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Posted 6/16/10 , edited 6/16/10
As people have stated before I think its such a silly move to make. Large companies/publishers and all the in betweens along the process only think about making money. But when people read scantalations online and really enjoy a series, (a portion) will then go and and buy it from their nearby manga retailer or online if its overseas. By stopping these scantalations they are also stopping us from getting a hold of these series which in tern means less sales and then less revenue.. Seeing as money is a big factor you would think they would just let this process continue. I think this is just a big licensing kick gone awry. We can only hope they find a quick solution.

(Edit) I just read the article that was posted from the OP and its frustrating because I think a different battle is being fought in Japan and the USA. They may say manga but I think what this is truly about is the decline of (comics) purely they are just not as popular anymore BECAUSE of how popular manga is, and yet because of the problems in Japan, they attribute that to scantalation sites.

Why not just make a system like Crunchy then..but with manga, run by the companies themselves? Idea!
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Posted 6/16/10
That's the reason onemanga and mangafox removed a lot of their manga series...but I have faith that it'll somehow work out...most of the licenced mangas that were removed from onemanga were bought again and re-directed to another owned by onemanga called 1000manga. I just hope that online mangas survive! And anyway, scanlating manga isn't that bad of a crime. It just means that people are devoted to share the awesomeness of the manga chapters all around the world!!!
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Posted 6/16/10
well, it's gonna suck if this goes through. I just know that some of the manga I read I'd never be able to find in english if they shut down sites that host translated manga. Maybe they'll come up with a compromise...
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