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Did Christ commit suicide?
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Although it is a rather puerile question to ask, if Jesus and God are one, and he came upon Earth with the knowledge of his eminent death on the cross, would that not count as suicide?
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orangeflute wrote:

Although it is a rather puerile question to ask, if Jesus and God are one, and he came upon Earth with the knowledge of his eminent death on the cross, would that not count as suicide?


Jesus and God are not one. With that said, God sent Jesus as a sacrificial lamb for the atonement of everyone's sin. In short, Jesus was sacrificed. It is evident also that he doesn't wish to die in the cross but he willingly obeyed because those things must happen so that the prophecy must be fulfilled.

Matthew 26:39 "Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.""

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If Jesus could disappear and repair somewhere else yes it suicide. The Immaculate Conception part well that’s a hard pill to swallow, what the all might placed a fetus in Mary. Then Marry was not technically Jesus mother correct? But it could be Marry was an intersexes person and that was fully functional xyxx chromosome but I would have to look it up. Here the wild part through genetic testing they have found two set of genes in a person. With mother gave birth to black child father was white impossible? Apparently not some internal organs can have their own genetic code blows my mind.
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I've never thought of it that way.
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hmm technically he probably did, if he knew that he was going to die and how so and didn't do nothing to prevent it, that could be thought of that way.
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I don't think it's suicide, but more like sacrifice. Would we say that someone who died for another committed suicide or rather sacrificed their life for another?
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I don't think it's suicide, but more like sacrifice. Would we say that someone who died for another committed suicide or rather sacrificed their life for another?


Its both, they voluntary committed suicide for the sake of another, aka sacrifice.
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digs wrote:

I don't think it's suicide, but more like sacrifice. Would we say that someone who died for another committed suicide or rather sacrificed their life for another?


Its both, they voluntary committed suicide for the sake of another, aka sacrifice.


No. Jesus died as ordered and not by his own free will. Though he willingly obeyed

I cited the verse already where Jesus tried to ask God if he can change his will.
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Allhailodin wrote:


digs wrote:

I don't think it's suicide, but more like sacrifice. Would we say that someone who died for another committed suicide or rather sacrificed their life for another?


Its both, they voluntary committed suicide for the sake of another, aka sacrifice.


No. Jesus died as ordered and not by his own free will. Though he willingly obeyed

I cited the verse already where Jesus tried to ask God if he can change his will.


hahaha... then it is was a bloody murder!
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alupihan45 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


digs wrote:

I don't think it's suicide, but more like sacrifice. Would we say that someone who died for another committed suicide or rather sacrificed their life for another?


Its both, they voluntary committed suicide for the sake of another, aka sacrifice.


No. Jesus died as ordered and not by his own free will. Though he willingly obeyed

I cited the verse already where Jesus tried to ask God if he can change his will.


hahaha... then it is was a bloody murder!


hmmm... i thought we said it was a sacrifice... anyway, acts like that shows that you are bias against religion
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Knowing you will die does not mean suicide, right? Though, you think that Jesus choose to come here on earth? Wasn't he born like us all, without being able to stop it? I mean; we all are on this earth and we all know we will die, but that's not what we earthlings call suicide.
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alupihan45 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


digs wrote:

I don't think it's suicide, but more like sacrifice. Would we say that someone who died for another committed suicide or rather sacrificed their life for another?


Its both, they voluntary committed suicide for the sake of another, aka sacrifice.


No. Jesus died as ordered and not by his own free will. Though he willingly obeyed

I cited the verse already where Jesus tried to ask God if he can change his will.


Ok so he willingly obeyed an order to die, still suicide, he didn't have to obey it, he could have said, "I don't think I want to die, so screw this" and decided not to, but he didn't, so its still suicide. He of his own free will decided to obey an order to die. Suicide.
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Knowing you will die does not mean suicide, right? Though, you think that Jesus choose to come here on earth? Wasn't he born like us all, without being able to stop it? I mean; we all are on this earth and we all know we will die, but that's not what we earthlings call suicide.


You stand in the middle of a track, and you know that a train will crush you, but you do not move out of the way, is that not suicide? Thus, if God, in the form of Christ, who is one with and seperate from God the father and God the Holy Spirit, came upon the earth with knowledge of his death, and chooses to die anyways, isn't that the same situation?
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Allhailodin wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


digs wrote:

I don't think it's suicide, but more like sacrifice. Would we say that someone who died for another committed suicide or rather sacrificed their life for another?


Its both, they voluntary committed suicide for the sake of another, aka sacrifice.


No. Jesus died as ordered and not by his own free will. Though he willingly obeyed

I cited the verse already where Jesus tried to ask God if he can change his will.


Ok so he willingly obeyed an order to die, still suicide, he didn't have to obey it, he could have said, "I don't think I want to die, so screw this" and decided not to, but he didn't, so its still suicide. He of his own free will decided to obey an order to die. Suicide.


ohh. too many people who wants to distorts things... you sound bias again.

you want to get technical with words, well then

Suicide (Latin suicidium, from sui caedere, "to kill oneself") is the term used for the deliberate self-destruction of a human being, by causing their body to cease life function.

In short, Jesus must be the one who will kill himself

But as everyone knows, it was the Roman Soldiers who killed him

And theology-wise, who disobeyed God and got away from it? Besides, Jesus was not afraid to die. He just requested that the suffering he must undergone be taken away. In short, kill him in one shot. He knows he will be resurrected in 3 days.
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MorganAditi wrote:

Knowing you will die does not mean suicide, right? Though, you think that Jesus choose to come here on earth? Wasn't he born like us all, without being able to stop it? I mean; we all are on this earth and we all know we will die, but that's not what we earthlings call suicide.


You stand in the middle of a track, and you know that a train will crush you, but you do not move out of the way, is that not suicide? Thus, if God, in the form of Christ, who is one with and seperate from God the father and God the Holy Spirit, came upon the earth with knowledge of his death, and chooses to die anyways, isn't that the same situation?


i thought i cleared to you already that God and Jesus are not one person
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