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If they were paying for raws, it was bootlegs since it doesn't go on DVD the week thevshow airs. Also, DB wasn't legal since Bleach was already licensed in the US and UK. Make sure you know your stuff before you say something, it makes you look stupid. Also, you don't understand Japanese, so how do you know which is higher quality?


I can't speak for him, but I actually do understand Japanese, it's my degree, and I've
lived in Japan for 3 years. I am not fluent, but I am very close.

As such, someone like me can access the subbing quality to a great degree- I'm sorry,
but Crunchyroll isn't as good as Dattebayo. The people at DB keep getting people saying
they support them because they are really, really good at accurate translation- they translate
really close to the exact meaning.

Be careful who you accuse of judging quality- while most viewers aren't skilled in Japanese,
there are some people out there like me who are- and they know a good sub when they watch it.
You won't know who they are unless they say,and respond with grammatical Japanese so you know it.

Crunchyroll isn't consistently bad or anything- I've noticed it depends on the series. Aside from adding the
not-at-all said "You don't even know that" line to "You are already dead" in Fist of the North Star (which is all
he says in Japanese- "you are already dead- お前はもう死んでいる"), they did a very good job subbing that
entire series. Their first Bleach ep yesterday wasn't anywhere near on par with DB, but it was good enough
that I'll watch it. DB will no longer sub Bleach since Crunchyroll is doing it- DB said so themselves pre-
emptively. I might start looking for a new subber for it tho. I had a bunch of streaming problems with the ep.

I used to know a lot of good subbers for many series, back in the heyday of fan-subbing
(early 2000s, 2002-2006), but now I think I'll just watch Bleach here. There are still many amazing series that
aren't covered by anyone except private subbing groups. Pumpkin Scissors comes to mind. Last Exile used to
be this too- now Crunchyroll carries it.

And to everyone whining about "paying" for something that was free- this way, I can indeed directly
support the artists. Do you know how little most of them get paid? Even in major studios? Most of it is
grueling grunt work, and they don't get rich- studios do. Besides- it's still free here, and you really only
pay if you're like me because you want to see it NOW, rather than wait 1 week. If you're following
Shippuden now, you'd know why I pay- it's too good to wait!!
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Megamanx266 wrote:


zaldar wrote:


Megamanx266 wrote:


onepiece_fan wrote:

Bleach is a PRODUCT. It is made to make the creators money.


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correct and that is ok and they deserve to make money off of it. Downloading it is illegal and immoral and nothing you say will make a difference there. They are attempting to do things about it as you would know if you followed the news. But even if they didn't do anything about it that would not make it right for you to do it. You are entitled to only what you pay for, why wait a week when people have it up for free, because viewing it for free is wrong.


At this rate our argument isn't going anywhere, neither of us on either side is going to budge so I'm going to make one final, broad statement.

The Internet is meant for everyone who uses it to share information and content that they create. The added conception that this content has to be payed for was added in later and while it is fine and dandy. Is a choice given to those willing to pay for such content. If you are unsatisfied with that which you purchased (or were thinking of purchasing) then why should you be forced to pay when the Internet was meant to share content for free anyways?


And that is where we disagree, the internet was not made to give everything away for free, and that idea is a crazy anti-capitalist one that I do not support and will fight against to my dieing day. For content that someone else has worked for, you pay. Just like on every other medium. If the people who made it (the ORIGINAL people who made it the people in japan) want to give it away that is their right but the creators of bleach do not and should not have to. The idea that all information should be free, is crazy, immoral, and wrong.

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Sorry but I think it's complete crap that we "non-payers" can't properly keep up on a show we enjoy watching without paying for something that was easily accessible and free before. DB was doing an awesome job and you didn't have to pay for that "premium". Yay, capitalism & licensing strikes again. *storms off*


I agree with this statement. While I do like supporting artists directly, for real
(and not like the RIAA claims to do for artists, the lying bastards), people at
Crunchyroll need to work on the whole REGION LOCKING thing.

I used to try to watch Crunchyroll in Japan- no go! And that 9 months I was
searching for a job after my JET contract ended, and then the recession hit-
Dattebayo were the only way I could watch anime in Japan subbed. I had
nothing else to do- the job market in my area was GONE in 2 weeks. What
the hell can you do when you're broke in a foreign country? Watch more
celebrities eating expensive stuff I couldn't afford? Hell no. Dattebayo
saved my mind from that TV hell. If I saw another commercial for mail-order
whalemeat and old women's stockings, I was going to kill someone.

Crunchyroll was blocking viewing of the very anime in the country where I was!

To those of you who scream "proxy, proxy"- gee, you really think those of us who
were living there or are still living there didn't think of that? Have you TRIED
visiting CR under a proxy? I could never get it to work consistently- they are good
at blocking proxy connections!

International copyright laws are F*&KING STUPID. Copyright law itself is a dubious
joke- thank 90 year Micky Mouse terms and Disney for that. Copyright law on the
internet, something with NO PHYSICAL BOUNDRY, is just as absurd. Read
Slashdot.org sometime for a good education.

Basically, DVD region locking, and now this damn region locking on the Internet,
which HAS no region, is the height of total bulls**t.

Fansubbing will always be there because of the stupid region locking on media
controlled by people with a dinosaur mindset towards copyright.

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zaldar wrote:
If the people who made it (the ORIGINAL people who made it the people in japan) want to give it away that is their right but the creators of bleach do not and should not have to.


Ok, that's defendable.


zaldar wrote:
The idea that all information should be free, is crazy, immoral, and wrong.


NOT defendable. What the hell do you think of libraries then? Immoral?
There is nothing immoral about free information in any form- you sound like
some kind of religious demagogue.

I've mentioned the whole "information wants to be free" thing to many people,
and some get it, some don't. You don't.

The state of media distribution in the digital age is debatable- I say copying
data is not stealing data in the legal sense- it is something altogether new and
novel to our age. Copying sculptures in art class is not crazy or wrong, and
certainly not immoral, unless you feel up a copy of Venus DiMilo's breasts.
Then again, that's a culturally specific immorality.

Copying something is NOT stealing it- you are not depriving someone of their
original item. Deal with it. Copyright laws are a recent idea, only 150 or so
years old in modern forms. Stuff that's fallen out of copyright people avidly and
freely copy- hell, I just read a book today from 1923 on Breguet that someone
cared to copy for everyone and put online- that book would cost me 1000$ at
an antiquarian bookshop. The creator is long dead, and the book was never
reprinted. No one cared enough to reprint it- it's niche. Copyright law doesn't
cover it anymore, so I could read it free. Even download it.

And don't even get me started on orphaned works, things that the copyright
owners can't be found for- they stay in legal limbo, unusable under legal
copyright forever. What of those? What of all the people who try to use
old 1920s music in music videos or movies- wonder why you don't hear much?
Most of 1920's music is copyright orphaned- professionally unusable even
though it's in the LIBRARY OF CONGRESS, preserved!

So copying media is SAVING media- saving it from obscurity, for posterity, and
the benefit of all. It's not theft in a direct legal sense- copyright law exists but is
messed up, and ignores often fair-use access for personal use.
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doonster wrote:

Like no one on this website has ever downloaded a video or a song so or watched a copyrighted video on youtube.....



ILL QUOTE MY SELF HERE
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wow, people are really complaining and saying big words.
like how downloading illegal subs is immoral, thats a big bs.
If it were not for crunchyroll, half of you guys will be downloading and watching them
like you usually do before crunchyroll even got the license.
You have no right to say things like downloading subs is illegal, I'm pretty sure most of you guys were pirates once.
and, not everyone is as rich as all of you.
a dollar is earn by sweat and tears, who the heck pays for shit quality?
I don't. I'm not a member and I know thousand animes sites out there are streaming episodes RIPPED from crunchyroll.
and guess what, millons are watching them via those sites, not via crunchyroll.
If i haven't made my point yet, then I will.
This website is doing one thing for all of the anime fans, they are helping by subbing and providing speed.
that's about it, and thats all there is to it.
crunchyroll= free subbers for people to rip off.
Face it.
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can't watch bleach

regional licenses needed
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Namban wrote:
There are still many amazing series that aren't covered by anyone except private subbing groups. Pumpkin Scissors comes to mind.

I assume you are referring to online, as the DVDs have been available for some time.

Funimation offers the series online at their site, but unlike most of the titles they have available, they only provide Pumpkin Scissors in dub format.

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Cyberpirate wrote:


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Explain to me how this makes any difference?
Point is, shitty subs. I'm sorry that I wasn't specific enough for you.


Alright,n ow explain to me. What exactly do you mean by shitty subs? As far as I know is Viz accurate with their translations, it is a professional company after all. Now, if you can backup your claim, I'll accept it.



i think she means that they are mainly not correct.....
When you are translating a language you cant just do a streight translation you need to go deeper into it and make sure that what you are writing makes sence.....

some of the subbing does not make sence. from my own japanise translations altho i am a beginer even i would translate them differently.
Some parts of it are just too long winded i mean its all prevailing to use big words and all.... but some times they are just not needed...
this is how alot of people translare engish and chinese when i was a teacher over their for 4 years (oral english only to kindergarten) but from watching the other teachers and my chinese assistant teachers they are always the first to grab the crappy electronic dictionary with Thesaurs and choose the biggest word in the hope that it will make it better.......

and as a few posts before you wanted some evidence so here u are




From those images... The image quality appear to be exactly the same. The non-streamed one is just zoomed out which makes it appear to be more crisp. Try zooming in and you'll have the exact same picture.

Translation-wise. Viz has a history of using passive tense in their sentence structure. I don't blame them as the target demographic was originally young boys.

Conclusion: Your "evidence" is purely subjective. Go away fanboy.
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I just have a little suggestion for the subtitles: I think some words should stay untranslated, all fans agree that we prefer "Shinigami" over "soul reapers" and "reiatsu" over "spiritual pressure" for example
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I'm already missing DB but thanks to Bleach 7 I have found other options CR can kiss my lily white butt. thanks for tiring to ruin my Tuesdays and to you loyal CR fans out there you are so FAIL its not funny.
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Oh and by the way if you think every single dollar that CR makes is going to the poor animators.... I got some swamp land in Florida for sale CHEAP!!! and for those of you watching the free stream here a week later your, your ,your ..... Just incredibly dumb.
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I assume you are referring to online, as the DVDs have been available for some time.

Funimation offers the series online at their site, but unlike most of the titles they have available, they only provide Pumpkin Scissors in dub format.



Thank you- I hadn't known. It was a series I saw back in college, and I hadn't kept track
of what happened to it- thanks for the heads up.
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doonster wrote:

When you are translating a language you cant just do a streight translation you need to go deeper into it and make sure that what you are writing makes sence.....

some of the subbing does not make sence. from my own japanise translations altho i am a beginer even i would translate them differently.
Some parts of it are just too long winded i mean its all prevailing to use big words and all.... but some times they are just not needed...
this is how alot of people translare engish and chinese when i was a teacher over their for 4 years (oral english only to kindergarten) but from watching the other teachers and my chinese assistant teachers they are always the first to grab the crappy electronic dictionary with Thesaurs and choose the biggest word in the hope that it will make it better.......


There is no nice way to put this. I hope English isn't your first language- you made so many basic
mistakes in your English (even with spellcheck?!) that you should never be allowed to teach it to
anyone!

People who can't use their own language properly have no business teaching it to others.
Those are basic English mistakes.

I'm sure you did a fine job as a spoken teacher though- I just hope you never tried to teach
them written English!

That aside-



From those images... The image quality appear to be exactly the same. The non-streamed one is just zoomed out which makes it appear to be more crisp. Try zooming in and you'll have the exact same picture.

Translation-wise. Viz has a history of using passive tense in their sentence structure. I don't blame them as the target demographic was originally young boys.

Conclusion: Your "evidence" is purely subjective. Go away fanboy.

Your pictures of the subs bring up a great point- and that is that not all sub quality is equal.
There can be a huge quality gap with VIZ. Thanks to you I finally placed it- they DO use passive
structure way too much! Thank you for pointing that out Rice. I couldn't quite place it for years-
they do that in nearly everything they touch.

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I just have a little suggestion for the subtitles: I think some words should stay untranslated, all fans agree that we prefer "Shinigami" over "soul reapers" and "reiatsu" over "spiritual pressure" for example


Dead-on- agreed!

Crunchyroll should take a poll of what words people want left in romanized Japanese.
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