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No. I love have discussion with them when they are individual who speak with the purpose of seeking knowledge and wanted to know the truth. What I don't like is when atheist is just conveniently give excuse 'we do not see it' as a basis for supporting their claims and statements. That's not the real atheist I know, the real atheist is always give their best to search the evidences before making a statements, so their claims can be proven. However, there are many fake atheist who only following the trends that 'God does not exists' and 'Evolution is true' without proper explanation like when I had discussion with them here many times.

But I respect their opinion, if they can have logical discussion and respect when addressing the topic. Unfortunately, some are not like that. They're often bashing you for expressing your opinions. =(


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can i just copy paste this? hehe

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In a way, no. In a way yes.

I'll say no if i'm talking to a real atheist-as in hardcore atheist. They know the in and outs of most religions (that's right. They take time to know the black and white of religion), they are well knowledgable of philosophy, theology and metaphysics (the area that proves/disproves God's existence) and science. Actually, most of the atheist i met in other theological, religious, philosophical forums are not fond of using evolution and the big bang theory. I mean those things, if the theory is accurate, doesn't matter. We usually focus on the source of everything. Atheist loves to disprove it, Religious people loves to prove it.

I'll say yes if i'm talking to a posers. Especially those who are base their ideas on bias ideas and stereotypes. They are usually the one who claims, religious people are narrow-minded. They are usually the one who bash people around. They are usually those who cherry picks your post. They are usually the ones who ignores you questions and continue repeating their "abstract ideas"...
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I really dont have a problem with them. Many are decent and raise good questions. But then there are the wannabe's who try to seek attention by poking fun at religion rather then actually having a good debate. Those are probably most annoying and to me are trolls. There are also some that act like hardcore religious zealots but are not religious. Pretty much "believe in what I believe or your dumb", then they try to ram their opinion down your throat. Of course every group has these kinds of people.
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I'm an experience junkie. I like natural challenges and real confrontations. I can be aggressive in my thinking while I have a predatory instinct. But the best part is I'll do it all for free, because nothing else motivates me more so than my own wild instinct.

So what do you think will happen when I've encountered those religious individuals, who claimed to be spiritually powerless and worldly inexperienced by themselves? That's right, they would call me an "atheist" out of their sheer ignorance and self-deception.

So do I feel lucky? Well do ya? When future is uncertainty, while every action has relative risk. I just don't think those religious individuals ever realized just what's really at stake; their lack of real self-respect and self-awareness, as oppose to my own reason to exist. Because without God, they're just nothing if not being spoiled rotten until the end. For God doesn't exist beyond the metaphysics, and they won't know that for certain until they're all dead.

Therefore it's for their own self-interest that the religious individuals had better be right in the end, whereas I OTOH can afford to be wrong even when I wasn't.
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I hate the kind who are too obsessed. They think they just know too much that they scourge other people especially those who practice religion for lacking views of logic and even science. Not everything is perfect not even their personal-based logic can be flawed nor the science they are relying on. I don't get the idea why some of these people think they are cut above the rest. Does not mean they are freed from the idea of the fact that they do not fear that some god is not controlling them. They are free to do what they could and they could just dictate people in what to think. I am not referring to all atheists but those who take it to the extreme.
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Anyone who preaches and/or attempts to push their beliefs on me I consider annoying, regardless of religion. Believe what you will, I'm not going to stop you, but pay me the same respect, yeah?
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Anyone who preaches and/or attempts to push their beliefs on me I consider annoying, regardless of religion. Believe what you will, I'm not going to stop you, but pay me the same respect, yeah?


Exactly.

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I'm sry but they do get in my nerves. They are just mad because God is the uncaused cause.


Everything has an origin. Nothing can come from nothing, since there had to be something there to begin with. Not God nor any other gods could have created themselves from nothing. All things began at one point from existing matter and energy, and this will all remain a bit out of our cognitive reach for some time. There is a cause and effect to everything. To think that God is an "uncaused cause" (as you put it) means that he doesn't exist. Something always causes something else. Beautiful, magical thinking pertaining to physical reality is tantamount to insanity, and the insane don't realize that they are insane unless finally convinced.

If God is real, then why do people have to fiercely defend their faith in him? Wouldn't God or whoever just appear and smite down the unbelievers for their blasphemy? No, since they are supposedly punished beyond the sight of mortals in the afterlife. Only by some coincidence do things appear to happen to those denying the existence of Gods here. For this kind of thinking, there are no feasible patterns to observe in reality, just mental trickery. Religion was created with incredible and devious precision by very intelligent people to completely brainwash the masses into a false hope. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. Therefore, I believe in nothing.

Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Never.

Exactly nothing come from nothing but you are simply going to have to accept the fact that there was something first.... because the cycle will just continue. YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT. Or you rather believe in the big bang? That the big bang gave you such a perfectly generated earth? The earth was created for us human only... can't you see that we are the most intelligent living thing, animals that work for us liek those dogs that help the blind walk? animals the clean after us, like the rats, pig?, how about underwter volacanoe that once they expoide they create more land?, the weather, how do you explain how each snowflake is design. There is such thing as God. Our loving creator God who u r denying!

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Aztecnology wrote:


popcornpuffs wrote:

I'm sry but they do get in my nerves. They are just mad because God is the uncaused cause.


Everything has an origin. Nothing can come from nothing, since there had to be something there to begin with. Not God nor any other gods could have created themselves from nothing. All things began at one point from existing matter and energy, and this will all remain a bit out of our cognitive reach for some time. There is a cause and effect to everything. To think that God is an "uncaused cause" (as you put it) means that he doesn't exist. Something always causes something else. Beautiful, magical thinking pertaining to physical reality is tantamount to insanity, and the insane don't realize that they are insane unless finally convinced.

If God is real, then why do people have to fiercely defend their faith in him? Wouldn't God or whoever just appear and smite down the unbelievers for their blasphemy? No, since they are supposedly punished beyond the sight of mortals in the afterlife. Only by some coincidence do things appear to happen to those denying the existence of Gods here. For this kind of thinking, there are no feasible patterns to observe in reality, just mental trickery. Religion was created with incredible and devious precision by very intelligent people to completely brainwash the masses into a false hope. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. Therefore, I believe in nothing.

Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Never.

Exactly nothing come from nothing but you are simply going to have to accept the fact that there was something first.... because the cycle will just continue. YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT. Or you rather believe in the big bang? That the big bang gave you such a perfectly generated earth? The earth was created for us human only... can't you see that we are the most intelligent living thing, animals that work for us liek those dogs that help the blind walk? animals the clean after us, like the rats, pig?, how about underwter volacanoe that once they expoide they create more land?, the weather, how do you explain how each snowflake is design. There is such thing as God. Our loving creator God who u r denying!



[/facepalm]

Who said it was your god? And I will not accept anything without this one equalizing word .............. proof! Hear that resounding in the cosmos? The echo of logically seeking answers is music to my ears. I will not take a knee, or both my knees, before the Cross on the wall. For it is ever so wrong to dare to be strong, so just kneel to the cross on the wall.

Love your neighbor, and rattle your saber. Sin to the end of your life, then do the big switch around and repent before God. Enter the gates of Heaven, become sexless, stupid, and useless. When I die, all I need to be is sustenance for a few pretty flowers, not God's errand boy. Servitude is for the meek, and fanaticism is your only defense. Hold your Bible tight to your chest, read its every contradictory passage. Spew those same words over and over again, while your whole world rots from your lack of perspective. Two thousand years has made Christians soft and pliable. Kings fed off you all while you tilled the soil bearing heavy loads as serfs. Beast of burden are what Christians were meant to be, so the elite can justifiably use them because of their self-ordained ignorance. Your minds are non-existent. Empty skulls filled with confusion leading to anger and whimsy. I cannot think of a people so encapsulated in deceit as the real Christians. Typical, gibberish-spouting, demented maggots of Christ!

My great god (mythical example to follow) Satan, shows me the enlightened path of freedom. I am a beast of natural and individual pursuits. What do you get from life daydreaming about Heaven? Nothing, once again and forever more. I shall remain content in ripping apart your "holy" scriptures, then using those finely cut pages to roll joints and smoke them within moderation, and use a few of the others to wipe the excrement from my Left Hand path following anus, and that's just on the weekends.

Know your place, lambs of God. Baphomet knows her son Jehovah is a liar.
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Aztecnology wrote:


popcornpuffs wrote:


Aztecnology wrote:


popcornpuffs wrote:

I'm sry but they do get in my nerves. They are just mad because God is the uncaused cause.


Everything has an origin. Nothing can come from nothing, since there had to be something there to begin with. Not God nor any other gods could have created themselves from nothing. All things began at one point from existing matter and energy, and this will all remain a bit out of our cognitive reach for some time. There is a cause and effect to everything. To think that God is an "uncaused cause" (as you put it) means that he doesn't exist. Something always causes something else. Beautiful, magical thinking pertaining to physical reality is tantamount to insanity, and the insane don't realize that they are insane unless finally convinced.

If God is real, then why do people have to fiercely defend their faith in him? Wouldn't God or whoever just appear and smite down the unbelievers for their blasphemy? No, since they are supposedly punished beyond the sight of mortals in the afterlife. Only by some coincidence do things appear to happen to those denying the existence of Gods here. For this kind of thinking, there are no feasible patterns to observe in reality, just mental trickery. Religion was created with incredible and devious precision by very intelligent people to completely brainwash the masses into a false hope. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. Therefore, I believe in nothing.

Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Never.

Exactly nothing come from nothing but you are simply going to have to accept the fact that there was something first.... because the cycle will just continue. YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT. Or you rather believe in the big bang? That the big bang gave you such a perfectly generated earth? The earth was created for us human only... can't you see that we are the most intelligent living thing, animals that work for us liek those dogs that help the blind walk? animals the clean after us, like the rats, pig?, how about underwter volacanoe that once they expoide they create more land?, the weather, how do you explain how each snowflake is design. There is such thing as God. Our loving creator God who u r denying!



[/facepalm]

Who said it was your god? And I will not accept anything without this one equalizing word .............. proof! Hear that resounding in the cosmos? The echo of logically seeking answers is music to my ears. I will not take a knee, or both my knees, before the Cross on the wall. For it is ever so wrong to dare to be strong, so just kneel to the cross on the wall.

Love your neighbor, and rattle your saber. Sin to the end of your life, then do the big switch around and repent before God. Enter the gates of Heaven, become sexless, stupid, and useless. When I die, all I need to be is sustenance for a few pretty flowers, not God's errand boy. Servitude is for the meek, and fanaticism is your only defense. Hold your Bible tight to your chest, read its every contradictory passage. Spew those same words over and over again, while your whole world rots from your lack of perspective. Two thousand years has made Christians soft and pliable. Kings fed off you all while you tilled the soil bearing heavy loads as serfs. Beast of burden are what Christians were meant to be, so the elite can justifiably use them because of their self-ordained ignorance. Your minds are non-existent. Empty skulls filled with confusion leading to anger and whimsy. I cannot think of a people so encapsulated in deceit as the real Christians. Typical, gibberish-spouting, demented maggots of Christ!

My great god (mythical example to follow) Satan, shows me the enlightened path of freedom. I am a beast of natural and individual pursuits. What do you get from life daydreaming about Heaven? Nothing, once again and forever more. I shall remain content in ripping apart your "holy" scriptures, then using those finely cut pages to roll joints and smoke them within moderation, and use a few of the others to wipe the excrement from my Left Hand path following anus, and that's just on the weekends.

Know your place, lambs of God. Baphomet knows her son Jehovah is a liar.


Look so you telling me you are a SATAN WORSHIPPER? Ok, you just mad because God is the alpha and the omega, the first and the last, and the beginning and end. My God, you telling em you rather side with Satan, something GOD CREATED. My god are you serious? Seriously, you just scared me...

Like a verse in what the bible says. God's intellectual level is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy beyond ours. Just because you have not seen proof does not mean he doesn't exist. Wht are your opinion on abortion? gay marriage? and etc

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popcornpuffs wrote:


Aztecnology wrote:


popcornpuffs wrote:


Aztecnology wrote:


popcornpuffs wrote:

I'm sry but they do get in my nerves. They are just mad because God is the uncaused cause.


Everything has an origin. Nothing can come from nothing, since there had to be something there to begin with. Not God nor any other gods could have created themselves from nothing. All things began at one point from existing matter and energy, and this will all remain a bit out of our cognitive reach for some time. There is a cause and effect to everything. To think that God is an "uncaused cause" (as you put it) means that he doesn't exist. Something always causes something else. Beautiful, magical thinking pertaining to physical reality is tantamount to insanity, and the insane don't realize that they are insane unless finally convinced.

If God is real, then why do people have to fiercely defend their faith in him? Wouldn't God or whoever just appear and smite down the unbelievers for their blasphemy? No, since they are supposedly punished beyond the sight of mortals in the afterlife. Only by some coincidence do things appear to happen to those denying the existence of Gods here. For this kind of thinking, there are no feasible patterns to observe in reality, just mental trickery. Religion was created with incredible and devious precision by very intelligent people to completely brainwash the masses into a false hope. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. Therefore, I believe in nothing.

Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Never.

Exactly nothing come from nothing but you are simply going to have to accept the fact that there was something first.... because the cycle will just continue. YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT. Or you rather believe in the big bang? That the big bang gave you such a perfectly generated earth? The earth was created for us human only... can't you see that we are the most intelligent living thing, animals that work for us liek those dogs that help the blind walk? animals the clean after us, like the rats, pig?, how about underwter volacanoe that once they expoide they create more land?, the weather, how do you explain how each snowflake is design. There is such thing as God. Our loving creator God who u r denying!



[/facepalm]

Who said it was your god? And I will not accept anything without this one equalizing word .............. proof! Hear that resounding in the cosmos? The echo of logically seeking answers is music to my ears. I will not take a knee, or both my knees, before the Cross on the wall. For it is ever so wrong to dare to be strong, so just kneel to the cross on the wall.

Love your neighbor, and rattle your saber. Sin to the end of your life, then do the big switch around and repent before God. Enter the gates of Heaven, become sexless, stupid, and useless. When I die, all I need to be is sustenance for a few pretty flowers, not God's errand boy. Servitude is for the meek, and fanaticism is your only defense. Hold your Bible tight to your chest, read its every contradictory passage. Spew those same words over and over again, while your whole world rots from your lack of perspective. Two thousand years has made Christians soft and pliable. Kings fed off you all while you tilled the soil bearing heavy loads as serfs. Beast of burden are what Christians were meant to be, so the elite can justifiably use them because of their self-ordained ignorance. Your minds are non-existent. Empty skulls filled with confusion leading to anger and whimsy. I cannot think of a people so encapsulated in deceit as the real Christians. Typical, gibberish-spouting, demented maggots of Christ!

My great god (mythical example to follow) Satan, shows me the enlightened path of freedom. I am a beast of natural and individual pursuits. What do you get from life daydreaming about Heaven? Nothing, once again and forever more. I shall remain content in ripping apart your "holy" scriptures, then using those finely cut pages to roll joints and smoke them within moderation, and use a few of the others to wipe the excrement from my Left Hand path following anus, and that's just on the weekends.

Know your place, lambs of God. Baphomet knows her son Jehovah is a liar.


Look so you telling me you are a SATAN WORSHIPPER? Ok, you just mad because God is the alpha and the omega, the first and the last, and the beginning and end. My God, you telling em you rather side with Satan, something GOD CREATED. My god are you serious? Seriously, you just scared me...

Like a verse in what the bible says. God's intellectual level is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy beyond ours. Just because you have not seen proof does not mean he doesn't exist. Wht are your opinion on abortion? gay marriage? and etc



God is not all-knowing, since his insanity made him stupid. As for abortion, some children would only have irresponsible parents and wouldn't get what they need in life. Gay marriage is something only gay people can truly understand, and should be allowed since homosexuals harm no one. Homosexuality is observed among animals in the wild, you know. If it means a gay person can't go to Heaven in your system, then more power to them, since they won't have to go to that creepy shithole and have Jehovah boss them around for eternity.

My ultimate point here is this; we are an interesting and troubled race. We can have the most beautiful dreams or the most terrible nightmares, such as Heaven and Hell, and both are generally false. Our ideas can sometimes supercede our good judgment. As for me being a Satan worshipper, that is true in one sense, and false in another. I see Satan as just a fable, but one with a very good story to tell those who will listen, so I am actually atheistic. I don't perform rituals or sacrifice animals, I keep the ideology of Satan in my heart, which is better than performing wasteful activities. I will do as I please and take heed of consequences, but I will never fear this God imposter over two billion people love so much. You love him, but he fucking hates you because of this delusion of his where he created you and had it all messed up by a talking snake (Satan). Oh, so knowledge is a temptation, and it comes from eating an apple. Bullshit. It comes from hard study and perseverance.
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A person with faith is a person who is biased towards those who don't share that certain faith.


Couldn't the same be said about anyone? The hardline faithful are biased against those of different faiths, the hardline faithless are biased against those of faith. Politically, a hardline socialist is biased against a staunch capitalist, and vice versa. Wherever there are strong beliefs there will be bias.

However, there are also people who couldn't care less if others share their beliefs, and simply live and let live.

I should also point out that your sweeping generalisation of the faithful suggests that your beliefs have made you biased, despite your lack of faith :)

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Aztecnology wrote:


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I'm sry but they do get in my nerves. They are just mad because God is the uncaused cause.


Everything has an origin. Nothing can come from nothing, since there had to be something there to begin with. Not God nor any other gods could have created themselves from nothing. All things began at one point from existing matter and energy, and this will all remain a bit out of our cognitive reach for some time. There is a cause and effect to everything. To think that God is an "uncaused cause" (as you put it) means that he doesn't exist. Something always causes something else. Beautiful, magical thinking pertaining to physical reality is tantamount to insanity, and the insane don't realize that they are insane unless finally convinced.

If God is real, then why do people have to fiercely defend their faith in him? Wouldn't God or whoever just appear and smite down the unbelievers for their blasphemy? No, since they are supposedly punished beyond the sight of mortals in the afterlife. Only by some coincidence do things appear to happen to those denying the existence of Gods here. For this kind of thinking, there are no feasible patterns to observe in reality, just mental trickery. Religion was created with incredible and devious precision by very intelligent people to completely brainwash the masses into a false hope. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. Therefore, I believe in nothing.

Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Never.

Exactly nothing come from nothing but you are simply going to have to accept the fact that there was something first.... because the cycle will just continue. YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT. Or you rather believe in the big bang? That the big bang gave you such a perfectly generated earth? The earth was created for us human only... can't you see that we are the most intelligent living thing, animals that work for us liek those dogs that help the blind walk? animals the clean after us, like the rats, pig?, how about underwter volacanoe that once they expoide they create more land?, the weather, how do you explain how each snowflake is design. There is such thing as God. Our loving creator God who u r denying!



But are we actually that much more intelligent than all other animals? Dolphins are highly intelligent, chimps can be taught sign language (I understand that only the lack of vocal chords stops them from learning to speak.) Scientists quite regularly find examples of animals doing things that had previously been seen as exclusively "human" traits.

The other animals that you use as examples can be explained through evolution. If early humans made a mess that needed to be cleaned up, some groups of animals would take advantage of the new food source and would over time evolve to better take advantage of it. This would give the appearance of an almost "designed" system when in fact it was something that occurred without divine intervention. The guide dogs are descendents of animals (I think wolves, but I'm not 100% sure) who presumably took advantage of the food left scattered around human camps and evolved to live alongside humans, as our ancestors evolved to live alongside them. Different breeds of dog appeared over time, resulting in a few breeds with the intelligence and temperament to be useful as guide dogs. Again, no divine intervention necessary.

The perfectly formed Earth - the Earth has to be suited to human life (distance from a star like our sun, atmospheric composition etc.) for us to be here to question why we are here (the anthropic principle.) The Earth itself is therefore not evidence of a divine being, it could have come about through pure coincidence and could have wound up completely inhospitable.

The thing that does make me think there has to be something is that to my mind there had to be a trigger for the "Big Bang", something outside of the universe that perhaps isn't bound by normal causality (your "uncaused cause.") However, science can offer explanations for what happened after the moment of creation that don't require a God, at least not the traditional Abrahamic God.

Posted 6/18/10
people in general who are up in your face about their faith/religion or just being atheist posers get on my damn nerves. I do not talk much about my religious faiths nor do I force them down some ones throat either, I keep things to myself and let people be who they are. Sorry for going off track but this does tie in since I know some people personally that are atheist and I respect for having the "free will" to choose their own decisions in life and they respect me back. That is half the problem with this.
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I can see how some people dont like us Atheists. I dont like theists when they go super religous, but as long as we're not talking about religion, and they dont make bible references ever 2 seconds its fine.
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