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What's your opinion towards Atheist?
Posted 6/18/10
It's really the ones who take their beliefs too seriously that get on my nerves, or believe that their way of thinking is more logical than yours. When it comes to people who behave in such a manner, that's when I loose respect for their opinion; religious or not. Other than that, I could care less.
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I personally don't care for the possibility of an existance of a Diety, and find anyone, from the preacher who try to damn every heretic to hell to the atheist determine to prove God doesn't exist, who even talk about whether God exist iritable.
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Posted 6/18/10
I love it when they come to my door. After that call god he then I play my game, Why do you think God is a He? Give me an opening I get to play,with them.
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Posted 6/18/10

tarakelly wrote:

I love it when they come to my door. After that call god he then I play my game, Why do you think God is a He? Give me an opening I get to play,with them.


He simply is the English gender neutral pronoun, why do you ask such odd questions?
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Posted 6/18/10
They are born again types or Jehovah wittiness, I have answered the door with a shotgun broke open putting shell in it. And ask them if they saw the sing No solicitors. But most the time they get dumb founded you’re telling me he made man in his self image. Sum times I am dealing with alot of other problems and if they get to become a pain. Now the do not knock on my door at all. By the way I do take friend to church on sunday they get a ride home. I do not push my stuff and do not want somebody else to do it to me.
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Posted 6/19/10

orangeflute wrote:

I personally don't care for the possibility of an existance of a Diety, and find anyone, from the preacher who try to damn every heretic to hell to the atheist determine to prove God doesn't exist, who even talk about whether God exist iritable.


We are not determine to prove anything, lack of evidence and common understanding of the world around us dictates there most likely is no God. Making a claim like there is a god, places the burden of proof on your shoulders. So one is to make that claim they must also be able to show evidence for that claim. As a person who has not seen any evidence for a God or Gods it is my right to ask for proof.
A atheist just does not believe in God's do to lack of evidence. We do not need to prove anything because their is nothing to prove.

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Posted 6/19/10

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

A atheist just does not believe in God's do to lack of evidence. We do not need to prove anything because their is nothing to prove.



If that were true for all Atheists there probably wouldn't be a problem. Unfortunately, there are as many flavours of 'atheism' are there are of 'theism'

There ARE atheists in this world who are dogmatic and crusading. They are 'true believers' as much as any bible thumper who study the bible religiously for it's famous contradictions and are even less likely to let you be about your beliefs than an LDS Missionary.

There are a number of subgroups who get labeled as Atheist but who have their own name for themselves.

Apathetic Agnostics, for example, take no position on the status of god or gods other than to say "I don't care"

Gnostics are people who believe god existed but depending on the flavour think he's a) dead, b) in a coma in some sort of cosmic intensive care unit c-z? a few other status situations that I honestly don't remember.

Going by a literal dictionary definition of the words. What you have described above is an Agnostic. Someone unwilling to believe or disbelieve without proof.

by the same literal definition, an 'Atheist' IS one who insists there is no god.

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Posted 6/19/10 , edited 6/19/10

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

A atheist just does not believe in God's do to lack of evidence. We do not need to prove anything because their is nothing to prove.



If that were true for all Atheists there probably wouldn't be a problem. Unfortunately, there are as many flavours of 'atheism' are there are of 'theism'

There ARE atheists in this world who are dogmatic and crusading. They are 'true believers' as much as any bible thumper who study the bible religiously for it's famous contradictions and are even less likely to let you be about your beliefs than an LDS Missionary.

There are a number of subgroups who get labeled as Atheist but who have their own name for themselves.

Apathetic Agnostics, for example, take no position on the status of god or gods other than to say "I don't care"

Gnostics are people who believe god existed but depending on the flavour think he's a) dead, b) in a coma in some sort of cosmic intensive care unit c-z? a few other status situations that I honestly don't remember.

Going by a literal dictionary definition of the words. What you have described above is an Agnostic. Someone unwilling to believe or disbelieve without proof.

by the same literal definition, an 'Atheist' IS one who insists there is no god.



No we take a more Scientific view in the way we think.

If no evidence is found for said object or thing, one must dismiss it as a false or unproven hypothesis till the time new evidence is found for said object at that time not before, we will take another look into it.
You do not put the belief of gods above anything else. Anyone claims that Godzilla was real would have to show evidence of Godzilla to us. With no Evidence found for him, we dismiss Godzilla as not real, till evidence is found. That Is why Agnosticism seems a little illogical to me. Because in there way of thinking they can not make a opinion about anything. Because their might be flying ogres in Canada, their might be Fairies , or Gnomes living in the rocks, There might be a God or Gods. To me this way of thinking personally seem Illogical. That way of thinking does not leave them room to advance and learn. Because they don't care about what evidence there happens to be their stuck on the what ifs.. instead of moving on till the time new evidence is found.
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Posted 6/19/10
Tell you the truth my friends most of them are religious or agnostic.

I find people who are agnostic more annoying to me than the religious only do to their lack of a ability to make a decisions about anything. The avoiding of the evidence or lack of just to stay neutral.

In other words a Agnostic could never make for a good leader,solders, or workers because they can never make decisions and fallow through.
Religious make good solders because of their faith allows them to march through mine fields or kill without a second thought about it.
Atheist make good leaders, because of their ability to rationalize situations, and make their decisions on the information at hand.

My opinion. You do not have to agree.
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Posted 6/19/10

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:


by the same literal definition, an 'Atheist' IS one who insists there is no god.



No we take a more Scientific view in the way we think.

If no evidence is found for said object or thing, one must dismiss it as a false or unproven hypothesis till the time new evidence is found for said object at that time not before, we will take another look into it.
You do not put the belief of gods above anything else. Anyone claims that Godzilla was real would have to show evidence of Godzilla to us. With no Evidence found for him, we dismiss Godzilla as not real, till evidence is found. That Is why Agnosticism seems a little illogical to me. Because in there way of thinking they can not make a opinion about anything. Because their might be flying ogres in Canada, their might be Fairies , or Gnomes living in the rocks, There might be a God or Gods. To me this way of thinking personally seem Illogical. That way of thinking does not leave them room to advance and learn. Because they don't care about what evidence there happens to be their stuck on the what ifs.. instead of moving on till the time new evidence is found.


Okay First:

Let me simplify my issue for you: "Who is this WE kemo-sabe?"

I'm sorry the term Atheist does literally translate to "No God, or Without God" just as amoral translates to "Without Morals". If you take it to mean something else that's fine. But not everyone adopting the label Atheist, and certainly not everyone arbitrarily labeled 'Atheist' believes as you have outlined above.

Second:

I have to disagree strongly with your generalizations about types of faith and qualities as soldiers or leaders. I've met people with all levels of 'Religiosity" and the majority of them defy your stereotyping.

Since you trumpet rationality and logic so much, could you be more rigorous about your sweeping generalizations of people? Please?

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Posted 6/19/10 , edited 6/19/10

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


orangeflute wrote:

I personally don't care for the possibility of an existance of a Diety, and find anyone, from the preacher who try to damn every heretic to hell to the atheist determine to prove God doesn't exist, who even talk about whether God exist iritable.


We are not determine to prove anything, lack of evidence and common understanding of the world around us dictates there most likely is no God. Making a claim like there is a god, places the burden of proof on your shoulders. So one is to make that claim they must also be able to show evidence for that claim. As a person who has not seen any evidence for a God or Gods it is my right to ask for proof.
A atheist just does not believe in God's do to lack of evidence. We do not need to prove anything because their is nothing to prove.



I am not saying that all atheist are such, that they are all determined to liberate misfortunate fools out of their delusion of a higher being with the magical ability to grant their wishes, but that those who are most dedicated to their cause and most obsessed with proving that their line of thinking is the most rational and correct are, undoubtably, very iritating. Likewise, I do not condemn all preachers, only the most vehement about making proselytes out of every heretic and pagan unfortunate enough not to see the truth and the light as revealed by Christ through the Gospels. How does the existence of God affect me? Do I profit from his existence? Does it leave me worse for the wear if God doesn't exist?
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Posted 6/19/10

Gutterstomp wrote:

Anyone who preaches and/or attempts to push their beliefs on me I consider annoying, regardless of religion. Believe what you will, I'm not going to stop you, but pay me the same respect, yeah?


That's true, it'll be nice to all for respecting to each other. I think that's the purpose why we born different. It is to understand and learn others with passion and love.

Btw, I love your cute avi. It's from 'My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute', right XD? I love this manga.



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No we take a more Scientific view in the way we think.

If no evidence is found for said object or thing, one must dismiss it as a false or unproven hypothesis till the time new evidence is found for said object at that time not before, we will take another look into it.

You do not put the belief of gods above anything else. Anyone claims that Godzilla was real would have to show evidence of Godzilla to us. With no Evidence found for him, we dismiss Godzilla as not real, till evidence is found. That Is why Agnosticism seems a little illogical to me. Because in there way of thinking they can not make a opinion about anything. Because their might be flying ogres in Canada, their might be Fairies , or Gnomes living in the rocks, There might be a God or Gods. To me this way of thinking personally seem Illogical. That way of thinking does not leave them room to advance and learn. Because they don't care about what evidence there happens to be their stuck on the what ifs.. instead of moving on till the time new evidence is found.


I agree with that method. But what kind of evidence we needed to approve the existence of someone or something? If there is a claim that someone have already landed on the moon and put American flag on it, can we conveniently refuse their claims by saying 'We did not have a chance to go to the moon and see American flag' as your statement to refute the claims, but you will use scientific research to disprove the existence of American flag on the moon. I've argued about this before, check for further discussion http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-25406/what-is-god/?pg=116#31487997

I think it won't be much different if we replace Godzilla with either, Aliens on the sky, Bigfoot in Himalaya, Lochness in the lake, etc. For argument's sake, could you simply disprove those claims about testimony of witness that say they encounter such creatures in various places, even many of them said they were abducted by one of those creatures. To support their arguments, they have present photos, reports and there are evidences from footprints of those creatures. Could you easily disprove them by saying we didn't see it and you hadn't have a chance to see one or maybe you would believe those creatures existence if you happened to be a witness? There are by any chance the existence of them until you prove them to be wrong without saying 'We can't see it' conveniently

There is evidence, to claim the god is exists through historical occurrence, documents called holy book and witness testimony who brought it into our era. If you can't believe in this evidence, then we can claim people from the past to be non-exists. If that's the way of your thinking, then Great Alexander, Genghis Khan, Oda Nobunaga, George Washington, would just fairy tales because we don't have direct evidences to prove the claims. Except the documents that has been passed down generation to generation. The exact things happens to prove god and prophets with that indirect evidence.

How did you know that George Washington was the first president of US, he could be a slave, right? We have documents and historical witness that have been passed down the stories generations by generations. Why do you believe with those documents that saying George Washington is the first president of US, while you denies the existence of god with that same documents called holy books and historical witness called prophets? When those same evidence were passed down in the same manner generations by generations.
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Posted 6/19/10

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

Tell you the truth my friends most of them are religious or agnostic.

I find people who are agnostic more annoying to me than the religious only do to their lack of a ability to make a decisions about anything. The avoiding of the evidence or lack of just to stay neutral.

In other words a Agnostic could never make for a good leader,solders, or workers because they can never make decisions and fallow through.
Religious make good solders because of their faith allows them to march through mine fields or kill without a second thought about it.
Atheist make good leaders, because of their ability to rationalize situations, and make their decisions on the information at hand.

My opinion. You do not have to agree.


While I can understand your logic, and cetainly (in light of suicide bombers and the like) agree that religious people can make better soldiers, I'm not sure that being agnostic makes someone less useful as a leader.

We don't live in a black and white world. An agnostic could arguably be better equipped to see both sides of an argument, even if they agree more with one side. This would leave them in a better position to make a good decision that is acceptable to the majority than a hardline theist or atheist who struggles to see other points of view.

I would also contend that someone who believes in God/gods is not necessarily unable to rationalise. IMO it depends on whether their belief is a part of their life or if it is their life. For example, I believe that there is a god of some sort out there. However, when I am at work trying to decipher some piece of government guidance my belief doesn't affect my judgement in the slightest. I have a belief that I accept cannot be rationally justified (it's a belief and I can't just decide not to believe), but it doesn't mean that I cannot be rational. OTOH, someone who bases important decisions on their religious belief (such as Dubya) is essentially irrational and is dangerous in a position of power.

You have also assumed that an atheist is necessarily rational. Some atheists have looked at the evidence and decided that theistic beliefs don't make sense to them. However, some atheists' beliefs come from their families, in the same way that children of religious families are likely to come out religious. They could well be completely irrational in everything else they do, whether or not they are atheist.
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Posted 6/19/10
As a child I wanted to believe in a god, living with some much pain in my brain/ mind. Most night as far back as I can remember, crying to God to fix or kill me in my sleep. This was almost an every night thing up to my thirties. I first learned how to shock out my mind by the age of 4. I never went up such along stair well in my life this building was built with 14 feet ceilings well being afraid of falling down back down one this small landing I garb on to my father. He grabs me and flung me down the stairwell I did over 360 flip going down. When I saw the steps I shocked droning the flip it was a sharp pain that cut through the middle of my brain. I felt nothing as I hit the last few steps then the floor, I was completely amazed be this. When I saw my father coming down the pain hit again and I got up if I did not being kicked was normal thing if I just laid there. I wished I could say he was the only one that went nuts when he lost his temper. My sweet, mother was far more vicious and cruel then my father by hundred times. The best way to sum her up was she would say (she hated me from the day I was born because I caused her, so much pain at birth). Just trying to keep it short that all I say about her. I had begged a god to kill me most my life as time went on I started to resent people of religion especially when they push on when they pushed on me. The movie I watched that caused me the most damage was the Ten Commandment made in the sixty as the star. As a kid I took it to hart, I watched a lot of Saturn rocket launches living across from the launch sight. I went to church one time around7 and my mother told my father so he punched me out. With all this bloodshed in the name of Allah if there was a god it long gone from here and man interpretation of god is just that a man’s thought what a god he wanted and could sell to others. I just do not believe in much of anything, but being responsible for one’s self and actions and choice. People down here talk about getting blessing I do thing to help others out because I want to, screw there god and the notion of heaven and hell. This is a personal perception from my life experiences and interaction from other people. One last thought how come drug addicts become born again Christians after they destroyed their lives. As if the was a God why would I want trash.
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Posted 6/22/10
Religious people get on my nerve. Whenever those recruiters come to my door I say All hail satan, just to see the look on their faces. So funny because they take it so god damn serious. And now my response to you religious people here.
All humans are atheist to most gods that have ever been worshiped. We just go one god further. Now stfu and good day.
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