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2 Peter 3:8 "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."

with that said, who knows how long was the days of creation and how long are the gaps after the 6 day creation and the time of Adam.


Where were you during the Scopes Monkey Trial? Actually where were enough people like you to keep it from coming to trial.

This is what causes me to reject most organised religions. That first word: organised. It's done by frail imperfect humans who corrupt the faith, any faith, with their secular self-interests.

On that point and back to the OP.
Most of the Gospels you said were transmitted orally. If I recall correctly this oral tradition could have been for anything from 80 to 250 years, depending on the gospel. That's a really LOOOOONG time to play 'telephone'. When I was a kid in school we couldn't get a single sentence through the entire class without some sort of distortion. And that ignores the possibility of deliberate alteration or omission of unpopular messages/passages/people etc...

And once they did start to write it down... well... I refer you to wikipedia entries on the concepts of biblical canon, apocrypha and the council of Nicea.

Regardless of when various human councils got together and decided which books REALLY made up the bible. I find it hard to believe that secular self interest did not play a role in the selection and rejection of various 'inspired books' as canonical. Also find it hard to believe that political power among council members didn't influence the results either. (oh to be a fly on the wall at some of those meetings)

Regardless of weather the unproven assertions of some that the first council of Nicea determined canon are true. What is irrefutable is that the majority of Christianity formally locked down their canon on dates that neatly bracket the 30 years war of faith that ravaged Europe in the 15th century. IE, it was during a time of religious turmoil and controversy that the various religious authorities decided "No this is the way it is, period"

Since you mention the Gospel of Judas, That wasn't discovered until the modern age. How could the council of Trent (1536) possibly even debate a book (written by an alleged traitor or not, and let's be fair even my namesake Peter denied Christ three times) that hadn't been found until four and half centuries later? Let alone the council of Nicea would have had to have access 1600 years early.

so... My point. The Bible is not THE Bible. but many bibles all of which had the corrupting influence of man's hand involved in their transmission for the past two millenia. Yet there are people in this world who -insist- to the point of all sorts of anti-social and even criminal acts, that we must believe it as the untarnished infallible word of God.

I'm sorry I cannot make that particular leap of faith.





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OP if everyone in Christendom believed as you say, then Galileo would have never been shown the instruments of the inquisition, there would have have never been a Scopes Monkey Trial, there would be no need for religious Scientists to contort the standards of scientific theory and evidence to prove things like Earth being 6 000 years old, and finally half the threads on ED wouldn't exist.


yeah. it would have been like that; however, the Bible didn't said that the world is 6,000 years old.


Lets clear the confusion and try to make this clear.

The idea of a young earth of 6000-10000 years old, stemmed from Archbishop James Ussher, a 17th century biblical scholar who chronicle a timeline, something like what I showed below. This chronology is touted by young earth creationist believers.



If you look at the diagram at the part which says creation of the world, young earth creationist believe it to be 6 days as reflected in bible, thus earth is 6000 years old. Geological records and others believe the earth to be older than that and the 6 days to be not taken literally.

So the question returns back, which is it? A young earth 6000 yrs or billion and billion of years?

Genesis 1: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1&version=KJV
A 1-page PDF diagram showing roughly Ussher chronicles - http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v27/i4/TimelineOfTheBible.pdf
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alupihan45 wrote:


2 Peter 3:8 "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."

with that said, who knows how long was the days of creation and how long are the gaps after the 6 day creation and the time of Adam.


Where were you during the Scopes Monkey Trial? Actually where were enough people like you to keep it from coming to trial.

This is what causes me to reject most organised religions. That first word: organised. It's done by frail imperfect humans who corrupt the faith, any faith, with their secular self-interests.

On that point and back to the OP.
Most of the Gospels you said were transmitted orally. If I recall correctly this oral tradition could have been for anything from 80 to 250 years, depending on the gospel. That's a really LOOOOONG time to play 'telephone'. When I was a kid in school we couldn't get a single sentence through the entire class without some sort of distortion. And that ignores the possibility of deliberate alteration or omission of unpopular messages/passages/people etc...

And once they did start to write it down... well... I refer you to wikipedia entries on the concepts of biblical canon, apocrypha and the council of Nicea.

Regardless of when various human councils got together and decided which books REALLY made up the bible. I find it hard to believe that secular self interest did not play a role in the selection and rejection of various 'inspired books' as canonical. Also find it hard to believe that political power among council members didn't influence the results either. (oh to be a fly on the wall at some of those meetings)

Regardless of weather the unproven assertions of some that the first council of Nicea determined canon are true. What is irrefutable is that the majority of Christianity formally locked down their canon on dates that neatly bracket the 30 years war of faith that ravaged Europe in the 15th century. IE, it was during a time of religious turmoil and controversy that the various religious authorities decided "No this is the way it is, period"

Since you mention the Gospel of Judas, That wasn't discovered until the modern age. How could the council of Trent (1536) possibly even debate a book (written by an alleged traitor or not, and let's be fair even my namesake Peter denied Christ three times) that hadn't been found until four and half centuries later? Let alone the council of Nicea would have had to have access 1600 years early.

so... My point. The Bible is not THE Bible. but many bibles all of which had the corrupting influence of man's hand involved in their transmission for the past two millenia. Yet there are people in this world who -insist- to the point of all sorts of anti-social and even criminal acts, that we must believe it as the untarnished infallible word of God.

I'm sorry I cannot make that particular leap of faith.


well, i wasn't born yet during the Scope Monkey Trial.

I totally understood where you are coming from. i came from that direction also.

The factors, regarding the canonizing the books in Bible is also a controversy for me also. I also question the translation. However, if you dig deeper (asking those who are really knowledgeable on this matter, reading more and watching more videos about this) you'll realize that if there are people who have a secular interest in that council, there are also who wishes the truth.

All the books are studied by scholars (not just like people like us in this thread), they examine all the books to find out if its contradicting or not. Just like my example, the Gospel of Judas against the 4 gospels. My point is, they didn't do it in one sitting and one discussion. Until now, they are still arguing about it (i also question why they didn't put the book of Enoch even if Jesus quoted some line there) .

Another point of mine is, if you see some self interest factor here, try to see the other side, which is for the sake of telling the truth about God.

What happened during the 30 years war is something regrettable by us, Christians.It could have been avoided if men were more braver on questioning the Catholic Church(take note, Christianity evolved also). People were not allowed to read the Bible during those days except by the priest. If I were alive back then, I would have committed the same mistake also but it that will happen now, a lot of us will be in an uproar since Christianity is all about love and peace and we can quote the Bible directly now.

Actually, the only oral tradition in the Bible (as far as I know) was Genesis and the gospels. However, Genesis was passed down through many generation while the Gospel is passed down from the apostles to the scribe. The letters are written by the apostles themselves so pretty much, we can say it is not distorted through oral tradition.

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If God wrote it, wouldn't it be too big to fit on this planet? We'd have to read the book as it floats in outer space and turn the pages with rockets. Of course, being careful not to burn the pages.


didn't i just posted that it is not written by God? still angry at me?


Oh, he wrote it, alright. Who else could have made something so difficult to understand or derive any sense of? Furthermore, why have an unnecessary amount of repetitive story telling when all you need to know about Christendom is at the front of the book? The Ten Commandments are a clear indication of God's law, so why have so many passages in the Bible telling you to override those laws? It could have been simplified into a pamphlet handed out to people anywhere, not some dull, overly thick tome of absurdity and hallucinatory, abstract thought. It would read as; don't do (a various number of thing) because you will face God's judgment. Hell awaits the unrepentant. Then you'd just let people decide whether or not that works for them, instead of a bloody history of this monumental faith being taught word for word, over and over again to the young until it can't be erased from the mind should they decide it isn't working for them anymore.

I rather doubt the Jews needed someone making fan fiction of their "original" creation and spreading it like wildfire allover the Earth. With the Mormons, that is pretty much the case, yet they at least have a really good work ethic and always prepare for the worst by storing supplies. We can pick at fine details all we want, but it just ends up being the same thing; MINDFUCK!
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Aztecnology wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:


Aztecnology wrote:

If God wrote it, wouldn't it be too big to fit on this planet? We'd have to read the book as it floats in outer space and turn the pages with rockets. Of course, being careful not to burn the pages.


didn't i just posted that it is not written by God? still angry at me?


Oh, he wrote it, alright. Who else could have made something so difficult to understand or derive any sense of? Furthermore, why have an unnecessary amount of repetitive story telling when all you need to know about Christendom is at the front of the book? The Ten Commandments are a clear indication of God's law, so why have so many passages in the Bible telling you to override those laws? It could have been simplified into a pamphlet handed out to people anywhere, not some dull, overly thick tome of absurdity and hallucinatory, abstract thought. It would read as; don't do (a various number of thing) because you will face God's judgment. Hell awaits the unrepentant. Then you'd just let people decide whether or not that works for them, instead of a bloody history of this monumental faith being taught word for word, over and over again to the young until it can't be erased from the mind should they decide it isn't working for them anymore.

I rather doubt the Jews needed someone making fan fiction of their "original" creation and spreading it like wildfire allover the Earth. With the Mormons, that is pretty much the case, yet they at least have a really good work ethic and always prepare for the worst by storing supplies. We can pick at fine details all we want, but it just ends up being the same thing; MINDFUCK!


http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-640805/christianity-101-the-christians/#31997291

You should read the above link also. That concerns your post.

The Bible is hard to others and easy to others (referring to both first timers)

A bible verse about that



That is why Christians acknowledge the power of the group. We take the liberty to ask so that we will understand (people have different gifts. We ask those who are gifted in this area). We acknowledge that our mind is not a mind of a genius that in one reading, we can understand it. That also shows how different God's mind to our mind.

About the law, I posted it on the link above but i'll repost it for the sake of sharing to you that the rules are oversimplified



We can even just put it in a business card and hand it out to everyone.

Hell is still an abstract idea; however, the teachings of Jesus were not use to condemn but to save. Example, I hit you. You hit back. I hit you again then you hit back until it never ends (just like Israel and Palestine). With the teaching of Jesus, it would have been done after the first hit and BAM! Peaceful Middle East.
By the way, repentance is essential. You just need to acknowledge that you have sin and all is forgiven by God. It's like relationship. If I am your real friend and you have offended me. Do you think we can still patch up without saying sorry?

And finally, we are not Jews so I cannot speak in behalf of them.
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Divinely inspired, but still human, none the less, and, thus, subject to faults and idiocy.


now that you've mentioned that. Have you read the Bible and saw some faults and idiocy?

and please refrain from judging something without examining it
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alupihan45 wrote:


orangeflute wrote:

Divinely inspired, but still human, none the less, and, thus, subject to faults and idiocy.


now that you've mentioned that. Have you read the Bible and saw some faults and idiocy?

and please refrain from judging something without examining it


You have read the bible so I know you can not tell you have not found fault in it can you.

No matter what version of the bible you own there fault, contradiction, and much more.

now to what I wanted to ask you.
Why did you not answer my 5 questions?

Anyone well versed in the bible should not have any trouble with them I would think.



Well that is all


May you live long and prosper!
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alupihan45 wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

OP if everyone in Christendom believed as you say, then Galileo would have never been shown the instruments of the inquisition, there would have have never been a Scopes Monkey Trial, there would be no need for religious Scientists to contort the standards of scientific theory and evidence to prove things like Earth being 6 000 years old, and finally half the threads on ED wouldn't exist.


yeah. it would have been like that; however, the Bible didn't said that the world is 6,000 years old.


Lets clear the confusion and try to make this clear.

The idea of a young earth of 6000-10000 years old, stemmed from Archbishop James Ussher, a 17th century biblical scholar who chronicle a timeline, something like what I showed below. This chronology is touted by young earth creationist believers.



If you look at the diagram at the part which says creation of the world, young earth creationist believe it to be 6 days as reflected in bible, thus earth is 6000 years old. Geological records and others believe the earth to be older than that and the 6 days to be not taken literally.

So the question returns back, which is it? A young earth 6000 yrs or billion and billion of years?

Genesis 1: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1&version=KJV
A 1-page PDF diagram showing roughly Ussher chronicles - http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v27/i4/TimelineOfTheBible.pdf


He is a biblical scholar. Hard to against that but remember also, they are the same religious group who claimed the world is the center of the universe using this passages

Psalms 93:1
The Lord reigns; he is robbed in majesty; the lord is robbed, he is girded with strength. Yea, the world is established; it shall never be moved.

and many more...

But I have to say there is no question with his timetable. It was well written and based directly from the Bible. The question is the 6 days creation. How long is day way back? How long is God's days?

Let's see what the Bible tells about God's time.

2 Peter 3:8 "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."

With that said, the Big Bang theory and Spontaneous Generation (though we might not call it spontaneous anymore) and/or abiogenesis can coincide with the Creationism theory, this is the reason why Darwin remained agnostic and didn't turned into an atheist (though this has no historical basis except that Darwin was an agnostic).




Of course, that is logic wise. We just added 1+1. But if we actually use the Bible, it's already decided.
Posted 6/19/10

alupihan45 wrote:


Aztecnology wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:


Aztecnology wrote:

If God wrote it, wouldn't it be too big to fit on this planet? We'd have to read the book as it floats in outer space and turn the pages with rockets. Of course, being careful not to burn the pages.


didn't i just posted that it is not written by God? still angry at me?


Oh, he wrote it, alright. Who else could have made something so difficult to understand or derive any sense of? Furthermore, why have an unnecessary amount of repetitive story telling when all you need to know about Christendom is at the front of the book? The Ten Commandments are a clear indication of God's law, so why have so many passages in the Bible telling you to override those laws? It could have been simplified into a pamphlet handed out to people anywhere, not some dull, overly thick tome of absurdity and hallucinatory, abstract thought. It would read as; don't do (a various number of thing) because you will face God's judgment. Hell awaits the unrepentant. Then you'd just let people decide whether or not that works for them, instead of a bloody history of this monumental faith being taught word for word, over and over again to the young until it can't be erased from the mind should they decide it isn't working for them anymore.

I rather doubt the Jews needed someone making fan fiction of their "original" creation and spreading it like wildfire allover the Earth. With the Mormons, that is pretty much the case, yet they at least have a really good work ethic and always prepare for the worst by storing supplies. We can pick at fine details all we want, but it just ends up being the same thing; MINDFUCK!


http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-640805/christianity-101-the-christians/#31997291

You should read the above link also. That concerns your post.

The Bible is hard to others and easy to others (referring to both first timers)

A bible verse about that



That is why Christians acknowledge the power of the group. We take the liberty to ask so that we will understand (people have different gifts. We ask those who are gifted in this area). We acknowledge that our mind is not a mind of a genius that in one reading, we can understand it. That also shows how different God's mind to our mind.

About the law, I posted it on the link above but i'll repost it for the sake of sharing to you that the rules are oversimplified



We can even just put it in a business card and hand it out to everyone.

Hell is still an abstract idea; however, the teachings of Jesus were not use to condemn but to save. Example, I hit you. You hit back. I hit you again then you hit back until it never ends (just like Israel and Palestine). With the teaching of Jesus, it would have been done after the first hit and BAM! Peaceful Middle East.
By the way, repentance is essential. You just need to acknowledge that you have sin and all is forgiven by God. It's like relationship. If I am your real friend and you have offended me. Do you think we can still patch up without saying sorry?

And finally, we are not Jews so I cannot speak in behalf of them.


Well, hurry up and start printing cards for Jesus, the spiritual lawyer, because it is getting more and more obvious that no one wants to spend so much time being taught all the unnecessary parts of an ancient text that is highly incompatible with today's mode of thought.
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let us start with 5 simple questions.

'1. What rational and logical answer do you have that shows god did have a hand in making the bible, This answer must show man could not have made it without god intervention.

'2. Let say god is real for this question, how can you justify the action of said god from the bible. From his jealous fits of rage, To his mass murders. In end can one really say this god of yours is better than say the Norse gods.?

'3. Bible vs Reality. You see in the bible god has his hand in everything, he does not like a city he turns the people to stone. Odd that has not happen in Vegas yet. In reality God does nothing, there is no magic thing demanding anything from anyone. No one being forced to worship him by magical means. (nor has such things been found in real history books. only the bible.) Can you explain why this is the case?

'4. In the bible 42 children had been torn apart by she bears for laughing at a bald man. Not being Violent but just teasing him for being bald. How do you justify the gruesome murder of those kids.

'5. Now what separates this god from any other god?


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1. The Bible never mentioned that God uses a hand but the Bible mentioned that God uses His word to command things to exist out of the void

2. For Jealousy read this http://www.gotquestions.org/jealous-god.html

About the Mass Murders

All the so called "mass murders" by God are done in the Old Testament. Let us start there.

God created a very good world. Not blemished by anything.

Genesis 1:31 "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day."

Now, every sin's punishment is death. That is God's way of correcting the world blemished. Since God is a holy God, he will not tolerate evil (none of God's killing are out of random). The only way he can make the world a good place again is to eradicate beings that do or causes evil.

That is why it was said that men was doomed to death. However, there was a way to be pardoned in the Old Testament that is sacrificing a first born lamb. Through out the Old testament, men kept on sinning and many lambs are killed for that (lol) and God had enough. He (through the prophets) promised that he will send as a Lamb that will atone everyone from their sin and their will be no more sacrifices.

That is when Jesus came. He was sent as the Lamb of God. Now that Jesus was made a sacrifice so that all sinners may be forgiven and live. That also explains why in the New Testament, God doesn't kill anymore.

Now you know you owe Jesus.

3. There was never mentioned in the Bible where a person was turned into stone because of refusal to worship

about your inquiry, read what I wrote about mass murder.

4. Prophets are God's direct connection in this world. Anyway, let's focus on the mauling.

Non believers are usually to see is to believe* even if there was a lot of signs given already. They always demand some signs so that they will believe. Along with unbelief is mockery and insult.

* evidence that people usually want a sign

Now in that case, if those unbelievers can get away from what they did, it will just prove that the prophet was a joke and that the God the prophet represents is a joke.

5. Other gods are limited with a certain power. Example, Zeus only has a lightning, Odin has only shapeshifting, eye of wisdom and gungnir only, Osiris has the river only...and their gods can be killed

Our God is everlasting- the Alpha and the Omega. He has power over life and all his creation and many more (sorry. I'm late for church.gotta go)

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1. The Bible never mentioned that God uses a hand but the Bible mentioned that God uses His word to command things to exist out of the void

2. For Jealousy read this http://www.gotquestions.org/jealous-god.html

About the Mass Murders

All the so called "mass murders" by God are done in the Old Testament. Let us start there.

God created a very good world. Not blemished by anything.

Genesis 1:31 "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day."

Now, every sin's punishment is death. That is God's way of correcting the world blemished. Since God is a holy God, he will not tolerate evil (none of God's killing are out of random). The only way he can make the world a good place again is to eradicate beings that do or causes evil.

That is why it was said that men was doomed to death. However, there was a way to be pardoned in the Old Testament that is sacrificing a first born lamb. Through out the Old testament, men kept on sinning and many lambs are killed for that (lol) and God had enough. He (through the prophets) promised that he will send as a Lamb that will atone everyone from their sin and their will be no more sacrifices.

That is when Jesus came. He was sent as the Lamb of God. Now that Jesus was made a sacrifice so that all sinners may be forgiven and live. That also explains why in the New Testament, God doesn't kill anymore.

Now you know you owe Jesus.


3. There was never mentioned in the Bible where a person was turned into stone because of refusal to worship

about your inquiry, read what I wrote about mass murder.

4. Prophets are God's direct connection in this world. Anyway, let's focus on the mauling.

Non believers are usually to see is to believe* even if there was a lot of signs given already. They always demand some signs so that they will believe. Along with unbelief is mockery and insult.

* evidence that people usually want a sign

Now in that case, if those unbelievers can get away from what they did, it will just prove that the prophet was a joke and that the God the prophet represents is a joke.

5. Other gods are limited with a certain power. Example, Zeus only has a lightning, Odin has only shapeshifting, eye of wisdom and gungnir only, Osiris has the river only...and their gods can be killed

Our God is everlasting- the Alpha and the Omega. He has power over life and all his creation and many more (sorry. I'm late for church.gotta go)

Then the Bible contradicts with reality, when the fact is the world isn't good because humans are naturally born with skins; a defense organ that functions as a shield from -guess what- the naturally deadly environment. Therefore if the world was indeed "made" naturally good, then humans won't need skin in the first place. It would've been just another "useless" organ among the human tail-bone and appendix, all claimed by you to be the creation of a God, who purposely created "uselessness".

And when Noah himself enslaved humanity with a curse after the Big Flood in the book of Genesis, why didn't God do anything to eradicate that great evil known as human inequality in the form of Noah?

Furthermore, since ethnic genocide was no longer necessary due to Jesus, then why did the Church waged the crusade in the name of God?

Finally, only religious individuals want to look for meaningful patterns and call them "signs". Whereas I OTOH demand factual proof of the existence of the metaphysics, and abstraction based on irrational and unrealistic entitlement claim is insufficient justification.
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Well, hurry up and start printing cards for Jesus, the spiritual lawyer, because it is getting more and more obvious that no one wants to spend so much time being taught all the unnecessary parts of an ancient text that is highly incompatible with today's mode of thought.


I think people are doing that already- printing verses. There is already a Daily Bread book. There are already flashcards printed like your idea.

Christians are really different. We try to stay moral even if the world is saying it is uncool. I mean, we are not pressured anymore by the people around us. Example, people resort to illegal business like prostitution, smuggling and drugs. There people will say they needed the money. Christians, on the other hand, will not resort to that. We are complete already in God. I mean, we don't need to resort in such thing. We will just find another way. If we will die in our righteous method, it's fine with us.
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Divinely inspired, but still human, none the less, and, thus, subject to faults and idiocy.


now that you've mentioned that. Have you read the Bible and saw some faults and idiocy?

and please refrain from judging something without examining it


The most extreme example:

Pi being equal to three

Kings 7:23-26

He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it. Below the rim, gourds encircled it - ten to a cubit. The gourds were cast in two rows in one piece with the Sea. The Sea stood on twelve bulls, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south and three facing east. The Sea rested on top of them, and their hindquarters were toward the center. It was a handbreadth in thickness, and its rim was like the rim of a cup, like a lily blossom. It held two thousand baths.

There are no such things as earthquakes

Psalm 104:5:

“Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”

The earth is flat

Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Matthew 4:8

Either God has really bad science or the bible is the collected work of faliable humans.
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let us start with 5 simple questions.

'1. What rational and logical answer do you have that shows god did have a hand in making the bible, This answer must show man could not have made it without god intervention.

'2. Let say god is real for this question, how can you justify the action of said god from the bible. From his jealous fits of rage, To his mass murders. In end can one really say this god of yours is better than say the Norse gods.?

'3. Bible vs Reality. You see in the bible god has his hand in everything, he does not like a city he turns the people to stone. Odd that has not happen in Vegas yet. In reality God does nothing, there is no magic thing demanding anything from anyone. No one being forced to worship him by magical means. (nor has such things been found in real history books. only the bible.) Can you explain why this is the case?

'4. In the bible 42 children had been torn apart by she bears for laughing at a bald man. Not being Violent but just teasing him for being bald. How do you justify the gruesome murder of those kids.

'5. Now what separates this god from any other god?


argh. i accidentally close the window. my lengthy pose was gone

1. The Bible never mentioned that God uses a hand but the Bible mentioned that God uses His word to command things to exist out of the void

2. For Jealousy read this http://www.gotquestions.org/jealous-god.html

About the Mass Murders

All the so called "mass murders" by God are done in the Old Testament. Let us start there.

God created a very good world. Not blemished by anything.

Genesis 1:31 "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day."

Now, every sin's punishment is death. That is God's way of correcting the world blemished. Since God is a holy God, he will not tolerate evil (none of God's killing are out of random). The only way he can make the world a good place again is to eradicate beings that do or causes evil.

That is why it was said that men was doomed to death. However, there was a way to be pardoned in the Old Testament that is sacrificing a first born lamb. Through out the Old testament, men kept on sinning and many lambs are killed for that (lol) and God had enough. He (through the prophets) promised that he will send as a Lamb that will atone everyone from their sin and their will be no more sacrifices.

That is when Jesus came. He was sent as the Lamb of God. Now that Jesus was made a sacrifice so that all sinners may be forgiven and live. That also explains why in the New Testament, God doesn't kill anymore.

Now you know you owe Jesus.

3. There was never mentioned in the Bible where a person was turned into stone because of refusal to worship

about your inquiry, read what I wrote about mass murder.

4. Prophets are God's direct connection in this world. Anyway, let's focus on the mauling.

Non believers are usually to see is to believe* even if there was a lot of signs given already. They always demand some signs so that they will believe. Along with unbelief is mockery and insult.

* evidence that people usually want a sign

Now in that case, if those unbelievers can get away from what they did, it will just prove that the prophet was a joke and that the God the prophet represents is a joke.

5. Other gods are limited with a certain power. Example, Zeus only has a lightning, Odin has only shapeshifting, eye of wisdom and gungnir only, Osiris has the river only...and their gods can be killed

Our God is everlasting- the Alpha and the Omega. He has power over life and all his creation and many more (sorry. I'm late for church.gotta go)



You have made Christianity much more absurd in the eyes of all thinking men, and I pray you will stop trying to represent the entire Christian community.

1. How can so faulty a book be divinely inspired?

2. If your God is as powerful as you say, why would he have such pettiness as jealousy and instead of being perfect and good, strike entire nation dead out of childish anger? Should not an all powerful being, being omnipotent creator, being benevolent and all that, be free from such human blights? Or is he indeed a fifth grader who wants a gold star for all the half assed things he does, throwing tantrums and causing a rucktion everytime his expectations and his desires are overturned?

In addition, why does evil exist if he is, as you say, good and wants the world free from blemish? Why should there be an opposing malvolent force to the great Goodness that is God? Why should we sacrifice an innocent animal, who have yet to harm anyone, (a great evil if you ask me, though it maybe because of my Buddhist upbringing) please this petty God?

3. Lot's wife was turn'd to a pillar of salt simply because she is curious enough to see what has become of her home, I suppose that is somehow better than being turned to stone.

4. So, we can't mock anyone who claim to be representative of God, even if we do not know he is God's rep. on Earth. Lovely. Let's not mock the Pope, Pat Robertson, Rael, or any of God's supposed prophet and representative. Free speech never felt better. Now, onto the point: Why would God maul kids because they hurt some bald fellow's feeling, pointing out that his scalp is indeed lacking in hair, while letting the Romans who killed Jesus, his supposed son, or the various people who mocked Jesus and his supposed kinship with God, with no punishment at all? Surely Jesus is much more important this bald person.

5. Your lack of education in mythology, classical or otherwise, is showing.
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