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I think people are doing that already- printing verses. There is already a Daily Bread book. There are already flashcards printed like your idea.

Christians are really different. We try to stay moral even if the world is saying it is uncool. I mean, we are not pressured anymore by the people around us. Example, people resort to illegal business like prostitution, smuggling and drugs. There people will say they needed the money. Christians, on the other hand, will not resort to that. We are complete already in God. I mean, we don't need to resort in such thing. We will just find another way. If we will die in our righteous method, it's fine with us.

I'm sorry but this self-lauditory generalisaton made me laugh.
While I have known many good hearted and downright saintly Christians (My Mother being one. I'd like to believe in heaven if only for her sake) I have met just as many self-described Christians who are self-righteous criminals, adulterers and hypocrites. Nor does your description match the historical record of the bulk of christendom through the ages. And before you say "but I mean TRUE christians", the majority of the people I'm talking of would insist they are true Christians with all the self-confidence that you have.


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Isn't it rather haughty, presumptuous, and rather un-Christian of you to presume that you are the representative of the entire Christain community because you think that you are entitled to this right by attending the church of a certain breed of Christainity every Sunday? And is it not also presumptuous of you to count yourself amongst the saved?

Do you believe in the trinity? Even if you answer yes or no, you are still alienating a portion of the Christian community.

Do you eat Kosher, observe the Sabbath and kept it Holy, mixed wheat with rye, forget to sacrifice an ox every other week, &c.? Well, congrats! You have sinned.
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let us start with 5 simple questions.

'1. What rational and logical answer do you have that shows god did have a hand in making the bible, This answer must show man could not have made it without god intervention.

'2. Let say god is real for this question, how can you justify the action of said god from the bible. From his jealous fits of rage, To his mass murders. In end can one really say this god of yours is better than say the Norse gods.?

'3. Bible vs Reality. You see in the bible god has his hand in everything, he does not like a city he turns the people to stone. Odd that has not happen in Vegas yet. In reality God does nothing, there is no magic thing demanding anything from anyone. No one being forced to worship him by magical means. (nor has such things been found in real history books. only the bible.) Can you explain why this is the case?

'4. In the bible 42 children had been torn apart by she bears for laughing at a bald man. Not being Violent but just teasing him for being bald. How do you justify the gruesome murder of those kids.

'5. Now what separates this god from any other god?


Number 2 is nice question. Are there any jews here?
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let us start with 5 simple questions.

'1. What rational and logical answer do you have that shows god did have a hand in making the bible, This answer must show man could not have made it without god intervention.

'2. Let say god is real for this question, how can you justify the action of said god from the bible. From his jealous fits of rage, To his mass murders. In end can one really say this god of yours is better than say the Norse gods.?

'3. Bible vs Reality. You see in the bible god has his hand in everything, he does not like a city he turns the people to stone. Odd that has not happen in Vegas yet. In reality God does nothing, there is no magic thing demanding anything from anyone. No one being forced to worship him by magical means. (nor has such things been found in real history books. only the bible.) Can you explain why this is the case?

'4. In the bible 42 children had been torn apart by she bears for laughing at a bald man. Not being Violent but just teasing him for being bald. How do you justify the gruesome murder of those kids.

'5. Now what separates this god from any other god?


Number 2 is nice question. Are there any jews here?


Actually, from what I have read, the Jewish religion teaches the God is the source of everything, Good and Evil, and that Satan was developed quite later by Jews who are influenced by the Zorostarian bitheist view that there is a good and an evil ever opposing each other and at the end of time, Good, in the form of Ahura Mazda, will triumph. So, he is not better, just much, much, more powerful.
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About the Mass Murders

All the so called "mass murders" by God are done in the Old Testament. Let us start there.

God created a very good world. Not blemished by anything.

Genesis 1:31 "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day."

Now, every sin's punishment is death. That is God's way of correcting the world blemished. Since God is a holy God, he will not tolerate evil (none of God's killing are out of random). The only way he can make the world a good place again is to eradicate beings that do or causes evil.

That is why it was said that men was doomed to death. However, there was a way to be pardoned in the Old Testament that is sacrificing a first born lamb. Through out the Old testament, men kept on sinning and many lambs are killed for that (lol) and God had enough. He (through the prophets) promised that he will send as a Lamb that will atone everyone from their sin and their will be no more sacrifices.

That is when Jesus came. He was sent as the Lamb of God. Now that Jesus was made a sacrifice so that all sinners may be forgiven and live. That also explains why in the New Testament, God doesn't kill anymore.



you surely display a lack of empathy for your fellow human beings and belief in scapegoating, which removes the concept of personal responsibility. Speaking of sin according to the bible it was god's fault he placed an unguarded tree, made Adam and Eve with no knowledge of right and wrong allowed an evil serpent to roam free and tell them to eat form the tree and God allow humanity to born defective and use threats of eternal damnation commanding us to be well. your god screw up from the beginning so why is he punishing humans struggling to service on a rock for his incompetence? you call this love I call this a totalitarian celestial dictatorship a government which humans have no say in, cannot vote out, cannot change ,watching us 24/7 while we are sleeping, and can convict us of thought crimes and a system that don't use Juries, lawyers, appeals, paroles and pardons.

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I think people are doing that already- printing verses. There is already a Daily Bread book. There are already flashcards printed like your idea.

Christians are really different. We try to stay moral even if the world is saying it is uncool. I mean, we are not pressured anymore by the people around us. Example, people resort to illegal business like prostitution, smuggling and drugs. There people will say they needed the money. Christians, on the other hand, will not resort to that. We are complete already in God. I mean, we don't need to resort in such thing. We will just find another way. If we will die in our righteous method, it's fine with us.
You mean like how to use official church business as nontaxable incomes? So that everything purchased by the church via donation can't be taxed. Now that's a self-serving and self-righteous entitlement bare none.


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You have made Christianity much more absurd in the eyes of all thinking men, and I pray you will stop trying to represent the entire Christian community.

1. How can so faulty a book be divinely inspired?

2. If your God is as powerful as you say, why would he have such pettiness as jealousy and instead of being perfect and good, strike entire nation dead out of childish anger? Should not an all powerful being, being omnipotent creator, being benevolent and all that, be free from such human blights? Or is he indeed a fifth grader who wants a gold star for all the half assed things he does, throwing tantrums and causing a rucktion everytime his expectations and his desires are overturned?

In addition, why does evil exist if he is, as you say, good and wants the world free from blemish? Why should there be an opposing malvolent force to the great Goodness that is God? Why should we sacrifice an innocent animal, who have yet to harm anyone, (a great evil if you ask me, though it maybe because of my Buddhist upbringing) please this petty God?

3. Lot's wife was turn'd to a pillar of salt simply because she is curious enough to see what has become of her home, I suppose that is somehow better than being turned to stone.

4. So, we can't mock anyone who claim to be representative of God, even if we do not know he is God's rep. on Earth. Lovely. Let's not mock the Pope, Pat Robertson, Rael, or any of God's supposed prophet and representative. Free speech never felt better. Now, onto the point: Why would God maul kids because they hurt some bald fellow's feeling, pointing out that his scalp is indeed lacking in hair, while letting the Romans who killed Jesus, his supposed son, or the various people who mocked Jesus and his supposed kinship with God, with no punishment at all? Surely Jesus is much more important this bald person.

5. Your lack of education in mythology, classical or otherwise, is showing.
Not until that those pastors banged themselves some sex scandals with their expressions all in the name of God, of course then it's all the work of the Devil.
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Isn't it rather haughty, presumptuous, and rather un-Christian of you to presume that you are the representative of the entire Christain community because you think that you are entitled to this right by attending the church of a certain breed of Christainity every Sunday? And is it not also presumptuous of you to count yourself amongst the saved?

Do you believe in the trinity? Even if you answer yes or no, you are still alienating a portion of the Christian community.

Do you eat Kosher, observe the Sabbath and kept it Holy, mixed wheat with rye, forget to sacrifice an ox every other week, &c.? Well, congrats! You have sinned.


I'm not the representative of the entire Christian but my acts would reflect what I (not the Christian group)believe and yes, I go with a certain sect of Christians because they are more true in a biblical way. And with all boldness I will say I am saved. (attaining salvation in Jesus is easy. Just repent your sin and believe that you are forgiven and that Jesus died for the atonement of your sin. Our acts are just the fruits of our spirit.)

we don't actually alienate. We correct them first. If they won't budge then we leave them alone.

and i think the last part is is jewish. Jesus said that we can work during Sabbath nowhttp://www.bible-truth.net/sabbathseries/abolish.html. Again i think that wheat and rye is jewish and sacrificing an ox is again jewish (not sure if it's jewish tough)

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orangeflute wrote:


blancer wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


let us start with 5 simple questions.

'1. What rational and logical answer do you have that shows god did have a hand in making the bible, This answer must show man could not have made it without god intervention.

'2. Let say god is real for this question, how can you justify the action of said god from the bible. From his jealous fits of rage, To his mass murders. In end can one really say this god of yours is better than say the Norse gods.?

'3. Bible vs Reality. You see in the bible god has his hand in everything, he does not like a city he turns the people to stone. Odd that has not happen in Vegas yet. In reality God does nothing, there is no magic thing demanding anything from anyone. No one being forced to worship him by magical means. (nor has such things been found in real history books. only the bible.) Can you explain why this is the case?

'4. In the bible 42 children had been torn apart by she bears for laughing at a bald man. Not being Violent but just teasing him for being bald. How do you justify the gruesome murder of those kids.

'5. Now what separates this god from any other god?


Number 2 is nice question. Are there any jews here?


Actually, from what I have read, the Jewish religion teaches the God is the source of everything, Good and Evil, and that Satan was developed quite later by Jews who are influenced by the Zorostarian bitheist view that there is a good and an evil ever opposing each other and at the end of time, Good, in the form of Ahura Mazda, will triumph. So, he is not better, just much, much, more powerful.


By Zorostarian do you mean Zoroastrianism, Zoroastrianism wasn't bitheist, zoroastrianism was the first religion ever to believe in a single god, and judiasm, islam, and christanity all dervied from it, it started in Persia (now iran).

the concepts of heaven and hell, virgin birth and the resurection of the savior all originated with zoroastrianism.
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alupihan45 wrote:

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I think people are doing that already- printing verses. There is already a Daily Bread book. There are already flashcards printed like your idea.


Christians are really different. We try to stay moral even if the world is saying it is uncool. I mean, we are not pressured anymore by the people around us. Example, people resort to illegal business like prostitution, smuggling and drugs. There people will say they needed the money. Christians, on the other hand, will not resort to that. We are complete already in God. I mean, we don't need to resort in such thing. We will just find another way. If we will die in our righteous method, it's fine with us.

I'm sorry but this self-lauditory generalisaton made me laugh.
While I have known many good hearted and downright saintly Christians (My Mother being one. I'd like to believe in heaven if only for her sake) I have met just as many self-described Christians who are self-righteous criminals, adulterers and hypocrites. Nor does your description match the historical record of the bulk of christendom through the ages. And before you say "but I mean TRUE christians", the majority of the people I'm talking of would insist they are true Christians with all the self-confidence that you have.




well then, i leave it to your sense of judgement. You may associate us with others because they call themselves Christian... doesn't matter. Your call. A lot of people covered Christianity with lies and lots of other evil but even if they do, people still finds Christianity even with all those cover ups.

It's not to give a pat on our back. It's just describing who we are what we are.

and by the way, we don't claim perfection (1 John 1:8 "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us."). What we claim is that we are trying to live a holy life.
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orangeflute wrote:



Isn't it rather haughty, presumptuous, and rather un-Christian of you to presume that you are the representative of the entire Christain community because you think that you are entitled to this right by attending the church of a certain breed of Christainity every Sunday? And is it not also presumptuous of you to count yourself amongst the saved?

Do you believe in the trinity? Even if you answer yes or no, you are still alienating a portion of the Christian community.

Do you eat Kosher, observe the Sabbath and kept it Holy, mixed wheat with rye, forget to sacrifice an ox every other week, &c.? Well, congrats! You have sinned.


I'm not the representative of the entire Christian but my acts would reflect what I (not the Christian group)believe and yes, I go with a certain sect of Christians because they are more true in a biblical way. And with all boldness I will say I am saved. (attaining salvation in Jesus is easy. Just repent your sin and believe that you are forgiven and that Jesus died for the atonement of your sin. Our acts are just the fruits of our spirit.)

we don't actually alienate. We correct them first. If they won't budge then we leave them alone.

and i think the last part is is jewish. Jesus said that we can work during Sabbath nowhttp://www.bible-truth.net/sabbathseries/abolish.html. Again i think that wheat and rye is jewish and sacrificing an ox is again jewish (not sure if it's jewish tough)



So, you are not alienating, no, you're telling them that they are wrong and you are right. I am sure that is not alienating in any form. And, pray, how exactly does your sect mimic the life of rustics who live 2000 years ago who require an animal sacrifice for almost everything, stone kept slaves, force their wives (yes, with a plural) into silent and forced unpaid servitude, and found God's wrath in every thunderbolt? Do you wear biblically recomended fashion? Do you still your daughter's bloody sheets to prove her virginity? Are you still expecting the endtimes that Christ predicted will come within the lifetime of his followers?
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orangeflute wrote:


blancer wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


let us start with 5 simple questions.

'1. What rational and logical answer do you have that shows god did have a hand in making the bible, This answer must show man could not have made it without god intervention.

'2. Let say god is real for this question, how can you justify the action of said god from the bible. From his jealous fits of rage, To his mass murders. In end can one really say this god of yours is better than say the Norse gods.?

'3. Bible vs Reality. You see in the bible god has his hand in everything, he does not like a city he turns the people to stone. Odd that has not happen in Vegas yet. In reality God does nothing, there is no magic thing demanding anything from anyone. No one being forced to worship him by magical means. (nor has such things been found in real history books. only the bible.) Can you explain why this is the case?

'4. In the bible 42 children had been torn apart by she bears for laughing at a bald man. Not being Violent but just teasing him for being bald. How do you justify the gruesome murder of those kids.

'5. Now what separates this god from any other god?


Number 2 is nice question. Are there any jews here?


Actually, from what I have read, the Jewish religion teaches the God is the source of everything, Good and Evil, and that Satan was developed quite later by Jews who are influenced by the Zorostarian bitheist view that there is a good and an evil ever opposing each other and at the end of time, Good, in the form of Ahura Mazda, will triumph. So, he is not better, just much, much, more powerful.


By Zorostarian do you mean Zoroastrianism, Zoroastrianism wasn't bitheist, zoroastrianism was the first religion ever to believe in a single god, and judiasm, islam, and christanity all dervied from it, it started in Persia (now iran).

the concepts of heaven and hell, virgin birth and the resurection of the savior all originated with zoroastrianism.


There's a God of Good, Ahura Mazda, who is in eternal conflict with an evil God, Angra Mainyu, the lord of all that is malvolent, whom he shall eventually prevail over. That is the basic concept of God and Satan.
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Also, you have yet to disprove the faliability of the Bible, ie the list of absurdity I have posted quite a while back.
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Divinely inspired, but still human, none the less, and, thus, subject to faults and idiocy.


now that you've mentioned that. Have you read the Bible and saw some faults and idiocy?

and please refrain from judging something without examining it


The most extreme example:

Pi being equal to three

Kings 7:23-26

He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it. Below the rim, gourds encircled it - ten to a cubit. The gourds were cast in two rows in one piece with the Sea. The Sea stood on twelve bulls, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south and three facing east. The Sea rested on top of them, and their hindquarters were toward the center. It was a handbreadth in thickness, and its rim was like the rim of a cup, like a lily blossom. It held two thousand baths.

There are no such things as earthquakes

Psalm 104:5:

“Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”

The earth is flat

Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Matthew 4:8

Either God has really bad science or the bible is the collected work of faliable humans.


by this, i realize you take all the parts of the Bible literally
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Also, you have yet to disprove the faliability of the Bible, ie the list of absurdity I have posted quite a while back.

what faliability are we talking about then? that it could have been distorted by other men?
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1. that's not even the topic in this number. Anyway, did i said the Bible was divinely inspired or inspired by God? the Bible is not written in magic or God mind controlling a person (i've been repeating myself to everyone)

2. you are the one who branded it petty and childish.

why evil exist. It is because of Satan/Evil One/The Devil (he was called in many names). God didn't created Satan as evil


The Scriptures indicate that the creature known as Satan did not always have that name. Rather, this descriptive name was given to him because of his taking a course of opposition and resistance to God. The name he had before this is not given. God is the only Creator, and ‘his activity is perfect,’ with no injustice or unrighteousness. (De 32:4) Therefore, the one becoming Satan was, when created, a perfect, righteous creature of God. He is a spirit person, for he appeared in heaven in the presence of God. (Job chaps 1, 2; Re 12:9) Jesus Christ said of him: “That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him.” (Joh 8:44; 1Jo 3:8) Jesus here shows that Satan was once in the truth, but forsook it. Beginning with his first overt act in turning Adam and Eve away from God, he was a manslayer, for he thereby brought about the death of Adam and Eve, which, in turn, brought sin and death to their offspring. (Ro 5:12) Throughout the Scriptures the qualities and actions attributed to him could be attributed only to a person, not to an abstract principle of evil. It is clear that the Jews, and Jesus and his disciples, knew that Satan existed as a person. -from a friend


3. Dude, even if you are curious you shouldn't just disobeyed. The instruction was simple. Don't look back. Lot didn't have a problem following that. Nor the other girl with him. Look at Eve, her curiosity brought sin and death to us.

4. why mock men of God? I wouldn't because it's like mocking the one who send him. However, be aware also that there are false prophets also who claims to from God. This people you can mock.

anyway, i'll just explain the protection we get from God. Psalms 91

Now, you know God wouldn't even let our foot get hurt by our enemies.

5. Actually, I only know Greek and Norse mythology. Other mythologies, i have no idea.
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