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Isn't it rather haughty, presumptuous, and rather un-Christian of you to presume that you are the representative of the entire Christain community because you think that you are entitled to this right by attending the church of a certain breed of Christainity every Sunday? And is it not also presumptuous of you to count yourself amongst the saved?

Do you believe in the trinity? Even if you answer yes or no, you are still alienating a portion of the Christian community.

Do you eat Kosher, observe the Sabbath and kept it Holy, mixed wheat with rye, forget to sacrifice an ox every other week, &c.? Well, congrats! You have sinned.


I'm not the representative of the entire Christian but my acts would reflect what I (not the Christian group)believe and yes, I go with a certain sect of Christians because they are more true in a biblical way. And with all boldness I will say I am saved. (attaining salvation in Jesus is easy. Just repent your sin and believe that you are forgiven and that Jesus died for the atonement of your sin. Our acts are just the fruits of our spirit.)

we don't actually alienate. We correct them first. If they won't budge then we leave them alone.

and i think the last part is is jewish. Jesus said that we can work during Sabbath nowhttp://www.bible-truth.net/sabbathseries/abolish.html. Again i think that wheat and rye is jewish and sacrificing an ox is again jewish (not sure if it's jewish tough)



So, you are not alienating, no, you're telling them that they are wrong and you are right. I am sure that is not alienating in any form. And, pray, how exactly does your sect mimic the life of rustics who live 2000 years ago who require an animal sacrifice for almost everything, stone kept slaves, force their wives (yes, with a plural) into silent and forced unpaid servitude, and found God's wrath in every thunderbolt? Do you wear biblically recomended fashion? Do you still your daughter's bloody sheets to prove her virginity? Are you still expecting the endtimes that Christ predicted will come within the lifetime of his followers?


dude, don't mix up the old covenant to the new covenant. That is why the new covenant exist because God so love the world and he doesn't want to see more people being killed or punished because they sin.

but i do heard some are still practicing those. I think they are called fundamentalist. about the bloody sheet, islam in our country practices that. They even kill their daughter if they found out the girl is not virgin before marriage.

about the alienating part, we have a process there. Alienation is the last part if there is no settlement
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About the Mass Murders

All the so called "mass murders" by God are done in the Old Testament. Let us start there.

God created a very good world. Not blemished by anything.

Genesis 1:31 "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day."

Now, every sin's punishment is death. That is God's way of correcting the world blemished. Since God is a holy God, he will not tolerate evil (none of God's killing are out of random). The only way he can make the world a good place again is to eradicate beings that do or causes evil.

That is why it was said that men was doomed to death. However, there was a way to be pardoned in the Old Testament that is sacrificing a first born lamb. Through out the Old testament, men kept on sinning and many lambs are killed for that (lol) and God had enough. He (through the prophets) promised that he will send as a Lamb that will atone everyone from their sin and their will be no more sacrifices.

That is when Jesus came. He was sent as the Lamb of God. Now that Jesus was made a sacrifice so that all sinners may be forgiven and live. That also explains why in the New Testament, God doesn't kill anymore.



you surely display a lack of empathy for your fellow human beings and belief in scapegoating, which removes the concept of personal responsibility. Speaking of sin according to the bible it was god's fault he placed an unguarded tree, made Adam and Eve with no knowledge of right and wrong allowed an evil serpent to roam free and tell them to eat form the tree and God allow humanity to born defective and use threats of eternal damnation commanding us to be well. your god screw up from the beginning so why is he punishing humans struggling to service on a rock for his incompetence? you call this love I call this a totalitarian celestial dictatorship a government which humans have no say in, cannot vote out, cannot change ,watching us 24/7 while we are sleeping, and can convict us of thought crimes and a system that don't use Juries, lawyers, appeals, paroles and pardons.



still pissed what happened before A.D.?

logic wise, so if i put a blueberry cheese cake on the table and you ate it and if i got angry, you'll blame me for putting a food there?

we don't know for sure why God put a tree like that. it could be a.) he has future plans for it b.) he meant to give it to men in the future. there could be a lot of reasons but we can just speculate but it was not written that the tree was put there so that men will sin
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orangeflute wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:


orangeflute wrote:



Isn't it rather haughty, presumptuous, and rather un-Christian of you to presume that you are the representative of the entire Christain community because you think that you are entitled to this right by attending the church of a certain breed of Christainity every Sunday? And is it not also presumptuous of you to count yourself amongst the saved?

Do you believe in the trinity? Even if you answer yes or no, you are still alienating a portion of the Christian community.

Do you eat Kosher, observe the Sabbath and kept it Holy, mixed wheat with rye, forget to sacrifice an ox every other week, &c.? Well, congrats! You have sinned.


I'm not the representative of the entire Christian but my acts would reflect what I (not the Christian group)believe and yes, I go with a certain sect of Christians because they are more true in a biblical way. And with all boldness I will say I am saved. (attaining salvation in Jesus is easy. Just repent your sin and believe that you are forgiven and that Jesus died for the atonement of your sin. Our acts are just the fruits of our spirit.)

we don't actually alienate. We correct them first. If they won't budge then we leave them alone.

and i think the last part is is jewish. Jesus said that we can work during Sabbath nowhttp://www.bible-truth.net/sabbathseries/abolish.html. Again i think that wheat and rye is jewish and sacrificing an ox is again jewish (not sure if it's jewish tough)



So, you are not alienating, no, you're telling them that they are wrong and you are right. I am sure that is not alienating in any form. And, pray, how exactly does your sect mimic the life of rustics who live 2000 years ago who require an animal sacrifice for almost everything, stone kept slaves, force their wives (yes, with a plural) into silent and forced unpaid servitude, and found God's wrath in every thunderbolt? Do you wear biblically recomended fashion? Do you still your daughter's bloody sheets to prove her virginity? Are you still expecting the endtimes that Christ predicted will come within the lifetime of his followers?


dude, don't mix up the old covenant to the new covenant. That is why the new covenant exist because God so love the world and he doesn't want to see more people being killed or punished because they sin.

but i do heard some are still practicing those. I think they are called fundamentalist. about the bloody sheet, islam in our country practices that. They even kill their daughter if they found out the girl is not virgin before marriage.

about the alienating part, we have a process there. Alienation is the last part if there is no settlement


So he didn't love them before? Excuse me when I use such profane language as LOL. Also, Jesus did not say anything explicted declaring that the Old Covenant ceased to be.

Also, you have a process in alienating people who disagree with you? Wow, very, very moral of you!
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1. that's not even the topic in this number. Anyway, did i said the Bible was divinely inspired or inspired by God? the Bible is not written in magic or God mind controlling a person (i've been repeating myself to everyone)

2. you are the one who branded it petty and childish.

why evil exist. It is because of Satan/Evil One/The Devil (he was called in many names). God didn't created Satan as evil


The Scriptures indicate that the creature known as Satan did not always have that name. Rather, this descriptive name was given to him because of his taking a course of opposition and resistance to God. The name he had before this is not given. God is the only Creator, and ‘his activity is perfect,’ with no injustice or unrighteousness. (De 32:4) Therefore, the one becoming Satan was, when created, a perfect, righteous creature of God. He is a spirit person, for he appeared in heaven in the presence of God. (Job chaps 1, 2; Re 12:9) Jesus Christ said of him: “That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him.” (Joh 8:44; 1Jo 3:8) Jesus here shows that Satan was once in the truth, but forsook it. Beginning with his first overt act in turning Adam and Eve away from God, he was a manslayer, for he thereby brought about the death of Adam and Eve, which, in turn, brought sin and death to their offspring. (Ro 5:12) Throughout the Scriptures the qualities and actions attributed to him could be attributed only to a person, not to an abstract principle of evil. It is clear that the Jews, and Jesus and his disciples, knew that Satan existed as a person. -from a friend


3. Dude, even if you are curious you shouldn't just disobeyed. The instruction was simple. Don't look back. Lot didn't have a problem following that. Nor the other girl with him. Look at Eve, her curiosity brought sin and death to us.

4. why mock men of God? I wouldn't because it's like mocking the one who send him. However, be aware also that there are false prophets also who claims to from God. This people you can mock.

anyway, i'll just explain the protection we get from God. Psalms 91

Now, you know God wouldn't even let our foot get hurt by our enemies.

5. Actually, I only know Greek and Norse mythology. Other mythologies, i have no idea.


1- It is relevent in that if it were true, and God did command it written in that fashion, why then would it be so full of faults? It is then a faliable book.

2- So, such feeling are not petty? Explain why they are not childish or petty. If I had God's power, and I punish people for such foolish and insignificant reasons, you would no doubt label me as petty and chilidish. Also, Satan, should God be all powerful, should never exist, and, if he did, should not have gone astray.

3- So just follow orders without thought--God must be rather authoritarian then.

4- If I claimed myself as a prophet, and told everyone to kick each other in the balls (and for women to kick the nearest man in the balls), you would want to question me and mock the idiocy of my statement as well. I am sure that you will not follow every balding beggar who claim to be God's prophet without a legitimate reason. Also, snice God loves you so much and wouldn't even let arrows fall upon you and such, why, then, do martyrs exist, and why, then, do their killers live happily afterward?

5- Even in the Greek and Norse mythology, you show a great lack of knowledge. The only mythology you seem to be proficient with is the mythology of some backwater tribe in the Middle East who seem to end every sin with death.
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Divinely inspired, but still human, none the less, and, thus, subject to faults and idiocy.


now that you've mentioned that. Have you read the Bible and saw some faults and idiocy?

and please refrain from judging something without examining it


The most extreme example:

Pi being equal to three

Kings 7:23-26

He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it. Below the rim, gourds encircled it - ten to a cubit. The gourds were cast in two rows in one piece with the Sea. The Sea stood on twelve bulls, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south and three facing east. The Sea rested on top of them, and their hindquarters were toward the center. It was a handbreadth in thickness, and its rim was like the rim of a cup, like a lily blossom. It held two thousand baths.

There are no such things as earthquakes

Psalm 104:5:

“Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”

The earth is flat

Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Matthew 4:8

Either God has really bad science or the bible is the collected work of faliable humans.


by this, i realize you take all the parts of the Bible literally


So, which part am I suppose to take literally? And how does any of this amount to symbolism?
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I suppose your nom de plume means 'insurmountable idiocy' in Tagalog.
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So he didn't love them before? Excuse me when I use such profane language as LOL. Also, Jesus did not say anything explicted declaring that the Old Covenant ceased to be.

Also, you have a process in alienating people who disagree with you? Wow, very, very moral of you!


Hebrew 8:13 "By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear." Read the whole chapter for more.

as far as i know, there three covenants made. The first one was after God wipes out the world. He promised not to send another flood. The second one was the time the ten commandments were given. God called Israel his own (considered it as a wife). The last one is Jesus (Matthew 26:28-This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.)

actually, my english is limited so alienation is the best word i can use to describe it. Christianity will not compromise with false teachings and evil beliefs. It would drive us crazy (following two different ideas). We cannot serve two masters at the same time.

Matthew 6:24 No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

though money was used instead but i know there is other translation to that. anyway in addition why serving two master is hard,

James 1:8 - he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.
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So, which part am I suppose to take literally? And how does any of this amount to symbolism?
I say take that train of thought one step further, and ask the Christians themselves just how much within the Bible is fallible. And if they answered "none of it", then by their claim it's justifiable to enslave people in the name of God, both literally and symbolically as according to the Book of Genesis.
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1- It is relevent in that if it were true, and God did command it written in that fashion, why then would it be so full of faults? It is then a faliable book.

2- So, such feeling are not petty? Explain why they are not childish or petty. If I had God's power, and I punish people for such foolish and insignificant reasons, you would no doubt label me as petty and chilidish. Also, Satan, should God be all powerful, should never exist, and, if he did, should not have gone astray.

3- So just follow orders without thought--God must be rather authoritarian then.

4- If I claimed myself as a prophet, and told everyone to kick each other in the balls (and for women to kick the nearest man in the balls), you would want to question me and mock the idiocy of my statement as well. I am sure that you will not follow every balding beggar who claim to be God's prophet without a legitimate reason. Also, snice God loves you so much and wouldn't even let arrows fall upon you and such, why, then, do martyrs exist, and why, then, do their killers live happily afterward?

5- Even in the Greek and Norse mythology, you show a great lack of knowledge. The only mythology you seem to be proficient with is the mythology of some backwater tribe in the Middle East who seem to end every sin with death.


1. What are we talking about here? the story of creation or the whole Bible?

2. Well, okay let us talk what are these reasons. Give me some. We cannot assume it applies to all.

About Satan, read the post please.

3- so if i say to you don't drink that poison, you'll question me and just go ahead?

It is not clear tough but God's presence has some bad effects on human. He asked Moses to stepped back because if Moses walks closer, he would be burned. We may assume that God doesn't want them to watch because of the effect. Well, that is me.

4. - Of course I'm mock and question you. We read the scriptures and those are not written. In fact, hurting someone is bad so it is contradictory to what we believe. However, if you preach righteousness and holiness that would be a different story.

No. No one got away from killing the martyrs. Didn't Rome crumbled? Wasn't Israel fell on the Islam? Being a martyr is just a good way to die and it doesn't come just like that. Martyrdom has some perks and that is why Christians aren't afraid to die for God's sake.

5. Okay. tell me what i do not know?
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1. What are we talking about here? the story of creation or the whole Bible?

2. Well, okay let us talk what are these reasons. Give me some. We cannot assume it applies to all.

About Satan, read the post please.

3- so if i say to you don't drink that poison, you'll question me and just go ahead?

It is not clear tough but God's presence has some bad effects on human. He asked Moses to stepped back because if Moses walks closer, he would be burned. We may assume that God doesn't want them to watch because of the effect. Well, that is me.

4. - Of course I'm mock and question you. We read the scriptures and those are not written. In fact, hurting someone is bad so it is contradictory to what we believe. However, if you preach righteousness and holiness that would be a different story.

No. No one got away from killing the martyrs. Didn't Rome crumbled? Wasn't Israel fell on the Islam? Being a martyr is just a good way to die and it doesn't come just like that. Martyrdom has some perks and that is why Christians aren't afraid to die for God's sake.

5. Okay. tell me what i do not know?
how about the fact that according to the Bible, neither Jesus nor his disciples had attempted to abolish the concept of slavery.
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1- It is relevent in that if it were true, and God did command it written in that fashion, why then would it be so full of faults? It is then a faliable book.

2- So, such feeling are not petty? Explain why they are not childish or petty. If I had God's power, and I punish people for such foolish and insignificant reasons, you would no doubt label me as petty and chilidish. Also, Satan, should God be all powerful, should never exist, and, if he did, should not have gone astray.

3- So just follow orders without thought--God must be rather authoritarian then.

4- If I claimed myself as a prophet, and told everyone to kick each other in the balls (and for women to kick the nearest man in the balls), you would want to question me and mock the idiocy of my statement as well. I am sure that you will not follow every balding beggar who claim to be God's prophet without a legitimate reason. Also, snice God loves you so much and wouldn't even let arrows fall upon you and such, why, then, do martyrs exist, and why, then, do their killers live happily afterward?

5- Even in the Greek and Norse mythology, you show a great lack of knowledge. The only mythology you seem to be proficient with is the mythology of some backwater tribe in the Middle East who seem to end every sin with death.


1. What are we talking about here? the story of creation or the whole Bible?

2. Well, okay let us talk what are these reasons. Give me some. We cannot assume it applies to all.

About Satan, read the post please.

3- so if i say to you don't drink that poison, you'll question me and just go ahead?

It is not clear tough but God's presence has some bad effects on human. He asked Moses to stepped back because if Moses walks closer, he would be burned. We may assume that God doesn't want them to watch because of the effect. Well, that is me.

4. - Of course I'm mock and question you. We read the scriptures and those are not written. In fact, hurting someone is bad so it is contradictory to what we believe. However, if you preach righteousness and holiness that would be a different story.

No. No one got away from killing the martyrs. Didn't Rome crumbled? Wasn't Israel fell on the Islam? Being a martyr is just a good way to die and it doesn't come just like that. Martyrdom has some perks and that is why Christians aren't afraid to die for God's sake.

5. Okay. tell me what i do not know?


1- Everything about the bible.

2- I did, it is even more idiotic than you. God is all powerful, he is also all good. Therefore there shouldn't exist evil, or any being resembling evil. God has an equal power to create and destroy. Why then, is there still evil in the form of the 'Opposer'? Logically, it makes no sense at all. But, you may reply by saying something to the effect of 'God wish us not to know these things', then we may all go back to the Middle Ages, and live happily ever after.

Also, the Old Testament is simply a record of God's childishness and Pettiness, and I don't think that I would need to furnish any examples, seeing as thus is the subject of the whole book.

3- God tells you 'Jump off a very steep cliff' your frist reaction would be 'Why?', thence God will turn you to stone.

If I were to drink poison, who is to say I am not doing it on purpose? And who are you to interfere with my free will? I may take in minute amounts poison as medicine, or I may wish my life over. I may be testing out the story of Mithridates. Either way, I should not let some poor fool under the delusion that he is always right, and that he is the personal representative of God and the Crusader against all of heathendom tell me what I should do to myself.

4- Now you know my objection to paranoid schzoids who claim divinity, or, as you would call them, 'Men of God'.

What is righteousness? Who set the guidelines? What is holiness? “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple“ (Luke 14: 26), I doubt that this is righteous, and Confucius says so. Who is to say that kicking people in the balls is not righteous or holy?

Concerning Martyrs, Rome fell, I don't know, after they embraced Christianity. And it took God a damn long while. Israel was the Romans before they were expelled, then people came into that land, and then those people eventually accepted Islam. So, God was a little too early when he delivered Israel into the hands of its enemies as retribution to Jesus. Likewise, when the Vikings sack chruches and killed Christains routinely, they did not suffer too much from it, nor did the Huns when they went to Rome (Atilla dying a rather painless death on a very happy occasion).

5- Zeus has more than Thunderbolts- he at times transform people, transform into animals himself, smite people dead without the use of thunder, &c.
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1. What are we talking about here? the story of creation or the whole Bible?

2. Well, okay let us talk what are these reasons. Give me some. We cannot assume it applies to all.

About Satan, read the post please.

3- so if i say to you don't drink that poison, you'll question me and just go ahead?

It is not clear tough but God's presence has some bad effects on human. He asked Moses to stepped back because if Moses walks closer, he would be burned. We may assume that God doesn't want them to watch because of the effect. Well, that is me.

4. - Of course I'm mock and question you. We read the scriptures and those are not written. In fact, hurting someone is bad so it is contradictory to what we believe. However, if you preach righteousness and holiness that would be a different story.

No. No one got away from killing the martyrs. Didn't Rome crumbled? Wasn't Israel fell on the Islam? Being a martyr is just a good way to die and it doesn't come just like that. Martyrdom has some perks and that is why Christians aren't afraid to die for God's sake.

5. Okay. tell me what i do not know?
how about the fact that according to the Bible, neither Jesus nor his disciples had attempted to abolish the concept of slavery.


Paul did say something to the effect of 'Slaves, suck up, shut up, and obey your master.' Guess that's a thumbs up for slavery.
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Paul did say something to the effect of 'Slaves, suck up, shut up, and obey your master.' Guess that's a thumbs up for slavery.


After all they were legally purchased right ?
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orangeflute wrote:

Paul did say something to the effect of 'Slaves, suck up, shut up, and obey your master.' Guess that's a thumbs up for slavery.


After all they were legally purchased right ?


Sold off by their own people.
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DomFortress wrote:

How about the fact that according to the Bible, neither Jesus nor his disciples had attempted to abolish the concept of slavery.


Paul did say something to the effect of 'Slaves, suck up, shut up, and obey your master.' Guess that's a thumbs up for slavery.
I mean the God had 3 chances with Himself, His son, and their disciples to end what's now considered as one of the most immoral concept of evil there is known to men. But they didn't abolish slavery, instead they justified and legalized the concept, by them turning it into the relationship between God and men; He the slave master above and beyond His creation the slaves.

And while they both justify and legalize slavery, the only difference between the Christianity and the Islamic faiths is the fact that although the former is now only a Western tradition based on superstitions, the latter is the letters of the laws within the Muslim states' legislation.
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