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Christianity 101: The Christians
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EDITED:: Added "More About Us III" section

This is a bold decision that I made. I expect a lot of violent reactions and bloody comments and that is where i expect the Mod to intervene.

This thread is not to impose our belief but to defend our faith and to bust those misconceptions.

to the Mod: if it's off topic, please erase it immediately

anyway, this thread will only be limited about the Christians- core values and belief. We will not tackle any other religious group here.

Christianity 101 would be in series so as to divide the topics in threads and to lessen confusion.

I expect other people to behave here properly. We will entertain questions about the TOPIC and nothing more.

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Who are the Christians?

According to wikipedia, A Christian is a person who adheres to Christianity, an Abrahamic, monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, who Christians believe is the Messiah prophesied in the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible, and the son of God.

More about us

We can classify different types of Christians (regardless of sect) and levels of Christians.

Types of Christians

1. True Christians - in words and in deeds
2. Christian in name- belongs to the Christian group but never or seldom practices it.

Levels of True Christians

1. Baby Christians- the neophytes. They are basically new and what they know are usually the basics and their experiences are few
2. Mature Christians - They are well knowledgeable of the Christian faith and they usually have gone through a lot of experiences that tested their values, belief and faith as a Christian

More about us II

As people all know, Christianity is divided in a lot of sect. The original sect are the Catholics but it was corrupted so much that people began to question the Catholic Christians. That is the birth of Protestantism.

Since questioning the faith came with Protestantism, people began exploring more the Bible and different interpretations were claimed. By that, Protestant were divided again by many sects. To mention some, there are the Methodist, the Baptist, the Born Again and many more.

But let me tell you were they are different- salvation (people say that once saved always save. the others says that salvation can be lost), divinity of Jesus (either Jesus is a demi-god, God in flesh, or Jesus is a plain human), the trinity (other believes that their are three different beings- God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, others all are in one essence, the others all are one being), "freewill or predestination" and many more.

More About Us III

Christian is not like a colony like structure where our church leader is like an Overmind and we are under their psychic control. If that is the case, why does our pastor still having problems with attendance, tithes, volunteers and many more? Why do some of our members still keeps on sinning?

If the words of our leader is absolute, our group would be perfect.

Why are there many Christian groups? It's kinda confusing who are the real deal

Religion is a good business. It's also tax free. That is why some people take advantage of this. They disregard the consequences of their action (that explains why cults keeps on rising)

Who are the real deal? All I can say is, read the Bible. The Christian way of life is written in the Bible. Then observe the group or leader in question. Are they following what the Bible says or are they practicing extra Biblical teachings? Example, Group A was preaching that you can worship a statue or a dead person. In the Bible, it clearly states that there shall be no other God besides him.



The core values of a Christian


Our core value is the summary of all the "what a Christian must do." These are " Love God" and "Love your neighbor"



That two summarizes the ten commandments and pretty much the whole book.

Love God - God is a jealous God so you should have no other God. Also, the best way to love God is to love your neighbors.

Love your neighbors - when I said love, i mean real love. Example, your friend wants to peek on your test paper, if you love your friend, you will not let him commit an evil act. Another one, a boyfriend demanding his girlfriend to prove her love through sex. If the boy really loves the girl, he will not pressure the girl to fornicate and if the girl loves the boy, she should refuse so that the boy will not commit and evil act (fornication)

Core belief


Our belief is just simple. God exist. God created the world including us. Jesus was sent by God as a sacrificial lamb* to reconcile with mankind. Jesus was resurrected so that the prophecy in the old testament must be fulfilled and that one day, Jesus will come back with God to judge the world.

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Actually splits occurred well before the Protestantism. Before Christianity coalesced into Catholicism there were many view points that are now labeled Heresy. Ask any Eastern Orthodox and THEY will tell you it's Catholicism that 'split' from the one true church, again, many years before the Protestant Schism. Oh, and let's not forget the Albigenesians.
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And Prior, there was a split between the Catholics and the Arians.
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Split personalities and a lot of logical buggery. Since God is so great, why must he be so jealous? Personally, I'd love my friends and family more than him by a long shot. They are here in the flesh, God is ''somewhere'' in spiritual form watching you do everything at all times, including unmentionable things. God is obviously a perverted, voyeur and a Onanist. He dusts the donkey to our most sensitive endeavors, then tells of how it is perfectly okay for him to do that, and yet, we shouldn't. Isn't that....... hypocrisy?
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Our belief is just simple. God exist. God created the world including us. Jesus was sent by God as a sacrificial lamb* to reconcile with mankind. Jesus was resurrected so that the prophecy in the old testament must be fulfilled and that one day, Jesus will come back with God to judge the world.



if god is so all powerful why does he need to send a man to be tortured to death to "reconcile"? can't he just do this himself? this also go







Another one, a boyfriend demanding his girlfriend to prove her love through sex. If the boy really loves the girl, he will not pressure the girl to fornicate and if the girl loves the boy, she should refuse so that the boy will not commit and evil act (fornication)


boyfriends and girlfriends having sex with each other is part of love
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A core value of "conditional" love, based on a coherence standard of justification of a metaphysical existence, that can't be proven true nor false until the end of the universe as we know it. Such is the reasoning of Christians; religious individuals who are conditioned into how not to love themselves, while they are told to "enslave" those around them through the "worship" of God, not "love".
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ever notice the lack of empathy for fellow human beings when the subject of original sin comes up?
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And Prior, there was a split between the Catholics and the Arians.


Yeah they were one of the so-called 'heretics' of the pre-coalescence... unless I've got my dates wrong.


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ever notice the lack of empathy for fellow human beings when the subject of original sin comes up?


I mostly stay out of the murky waters of morality and ethics. I like to pipe up when people ignore history, physics, basic logic etc.

...mostly...


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I mostly stay out of the murky waters of morality and ethics. I like to pipe up when people ignore history, physics, basic logic etc.

...mostly...


Don't sweat it, when Immanuel Kent made moral and ethic easy to understand via moral reasoning, while science OTOH is answering moral questions in its own way based on the reality of how moral codes work. There's no good reason why science can't provide sufficient justification on moral and ethic.
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Split personalities and a lot of logical buggery. Since God is so great, why must he be so jealous? Personally, I'd love my friends and family more than him by a long shot. They are here in the flesh, God is ''somewhere'' in spiritual form watching you do everything at all times, including unmentionable things. God is obviously a perverted, voyeur and a Onanist. He dusts the donkey to our most sensitive endeavors, then tells of how it is perfectly okay for him to do that, and yet, we shouldn't. Isn't that....... hypocrisy?


You seem to look at Christians in a very 'flat' way, like a lot of Christians look at the bible themselves, you seem to take it very latterly(just like Jim Jones, and you dont want to be compared to Jimmie Jones=P). You can see god and Jesus as a person, yes. And you can take the bible latterly, yes. But that is not the only way one can believe in God and be a Christian. Being a Christian can mean a lot of things. It can also mean that you just live your live in a certain way.
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Aztecnology wrote:

Split personalities and a lot of logical buggery. Since God is so great, why must he be so jealous? Personally, I'd love my friends and family more than him by a long shot. They are here in the flesh, God is ''somewhere'' in spiritual form watching you do everything at all times, including unmentionable things. God is obviously a perverted, voyeur and a Onanist. He dusts the donkey to our most sensitive endeavors, then tells of how it is perfectly okay for him to do that, and yet, we shouldn't. Isn't that....... hypocrisy?


You seem to look at Christians in a very 'flat' way, like a lot of Christians look at the bible themselves, you seem to take it very latterly(just like Jim Jones, and you dont want to be compared to Jimmie Jones=P). You can see god and Jesus as a person, yes. And you can take the bible latterly, yes. But that is not the only way one can believe in God and be a Christian. Being a Christian can mean a lot of things. It can also mean that you just live your live in a certain way.


It means nothing good to me. A distraction for when things get rough in life. Prayer yields little in terms of result.
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You seem to look at Christians in a very 'flat' way, like a lot of Christians look at the bible themselves, you seem to take it very latterly(just like Jim Jones, and you dont want to be compared to Jimmie Jones=P). You can see god and Jesus as a person, yes. And you can take the bible latterly, yes. But that is not the only way one can believe in God and be a Christian. Being a Christian can mean a lot of things. It can also mean that you just live your live in a certain way.
That's insufficient justification, when you're using the "no true Scotsman" political fallacy to make the truth about Christians being ambiguous.

Furthermore, when the OP had already made clear and distinct conceptualization of Christians in his statement, whatever that you were claiming was in fact counteracting his statement. Without you having factual evidence for you to label anyone as a religious fanatic such as James Warren Jones. Now is that what you meant to be a Christian such as yourself; a poor character of judgment with "ad hominem" logic fallacy?
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MorganAditi wrote:



You seem to look at Christians in a very 'flat' way, like a lot of Christians look at the bible themselves, you seem to take it very latterly(just like Jim Jones, and you dont want to be compared to Jimmie Jones=P). You can see god and Jesus as a person, yes. And you can take the bible latterly, yes. But that is not the only way one can believe in God and be a Christian. Being a Christian can mean a lot of things. It can also mean that you just live your live in a certain way.


That's insufficient justification, when you're using the "no true Scotsman" political fallacy to make the truth about Christians being ambiguous.

Furthermore, when the OP had already made clear and distinct conceptualization of Christians in his statement, whatever that you were claiming was in fact counteracting his statement. Without you having factual evidence for you to label anyone as a religious fanatic such as James Warren Jones. Now is that what you meant to be a Christian such as yourself; a poor character of judgment with "ad hominem" logic fallacy?


I don't get much of what you are actually trying to state=P But I did research Jim Warren Jones, born in Lynn, Indiana. Who had a mother with an alcohol problem and a father who was very ill and probably very frustrated, having fought in WO I. And so I have one question for you... did you read the letter killeth? No? well then, talk to me again if you did because the letter killeth(written by Jim), is what happens when someone (like Jim Jones) takes the bible latterly.

Another ting, I only got Jimmie involved because he is one great example of someone taking the bible very latterly. and seeing religion as a flat thing, just like you guys. I'm not at all stating you ARE jim jones, and the mind behind 918 deaths.

Oh and if you do quote me again like this than, if you don't mind, please explain me the following terms:
1)no true Scotsman
2)political fallacy
3) OP
4)distinct conceptualization
5)logic fallacy
6)a poor character of judgment

If you are a person of good will, who wants to have a serious discussion with me (which consists out of interactions of thoughts, not in particular fighting each other), than please write what you would like to make clear in a CLEAR and simple way. So I will actually understand. If you think difficult words make you smart than you are awfully wrong, since you are not talking to someone who's first language is English.
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