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Benefits of Living Free from Christianity
Posted 6/22/10 , edited 6/22/10

alupihan45 wrote:

ohhh...

OP: good luck attaining your goals especially making heaven a place on earth ( was that Belinda Carlisle?)

Just a while ago, I am listening to a Bible study. The topic: To believers and non believers, believing that God exist is more sensible. Take note, before any violent reactions are made, that the topic is not about converting other people. It is not about Christianity. It is about the existence of God.

Anyway, the guy who was talking made this statement, which I want to share to everyone here.

" To all atheist and agnostic, I dare you to challenge God." the guy said.

So, any takers?
I challenged Him over a fist fight to the finish, but He never respond to my challenge.

Also, you don't even dare to challenge your own God, so why are you gloating others to do something that you wouldn't? Are you following the footstep of the serpent in the Garden of Eden, tempting individuals into offending your own God in your place? Such wickedness spawned from a God-fearing man, who claimed to follow the example of Jesus Christ with every fiber of his being. How very foolish and unbecoming of you.

While OTOH my own God resides within my own two fists, and even now your own God is still afraid to face His beating. When all I want to know is how it feels like to punch God in His face, not His meaning of life.
Posted 6/22/10

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maffoo wrote:

First thing that springs to mind is, why the focus on Christianity? I find it weird that people target Christianity as if it's the only religion.

Second thing, that site is actually called "Benefits of living free from Christianity and theism" when it is actually about religion. It is quote possible to have theistic beliefs without being religious as such, as it is possible to be religious and atheist (I believe Buddhism, for example, is atheistic.)


it is the biggest religion in the world and after all the united states is a "christian nation" or so most people say


The united states isn't a christian nation, its a nation of everything or nothing.


I agree i am just quoting what people say well also revisions to text books say other wise.

http://forfurtherdiscussion.com/2010/04/29/america-is-not-a-christian-nation-the-texas-textbook-controversy-the-crucifixion-of-thomas-jefferson-and-america%E2%80%99s-deist-roots/

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2010/05/jesus_prayer_opens_texas_textbook_meeting.html

rage if you want too.
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Posted 6/22/10

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alupihan45 wrote:

ohhh...

OP: good luck attaining your goals especially making heaven a place on earth ( was that Belinda Carlisle?)

Just a while ago, I am listening to a Bible study. The topic: To believers and non believers, believing that God exist is more sensible. Take note, before any violent reactions are made, that the topic is not about converting other people. It is not about Christianity. It is about the existence of God.

Anyway, the guy who was talking made this statement, which I want to share to everyone here.

" To all atheist and agnostic, I dare you to challenge God." the guy said.

So, any takers?
I challenged Him over a fist fight to the finish, but He never respond to my challenge.

Also, you don't even dare to challenge your own God, so why are you gloating others to do something that you wouldn't? Are you following the footstep of the serpent in the Garden of Eden, tempting individuals into offending your own God in your place? Such wickedness spawned from a God-fearing man, who claimed to follow the example of Jesus Christ with every fiber of his being. How very foolish and unbecoming of you.

While OTOH my own God resides within my own two fists, and even now your own God is still afraid to face His beating. When all I want to know is how it feels like to punch God in His face, not His meaning of life.


God probably wouldn't have a face to punch, being a vast transcendental being.

Or, if God is omnipresent, you could punch anything and know how it feels to hit him.
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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


maffoo wrote:

First thing that springs to mind is, why the focus on Christianity? I find it weird that people target Christianity as if it's the only religion.

Second thing, that site is actually called "Benefits of living free from Christianity and theism" when it is actually about religion. It is quote possible to have theistic beliefs without being religious as such, as it is possible to be religious and atheist (I believe Buddhism, for example, is atheistic.)


it is the biggest religion in the world and after all the united states is a "christian nation" or so most people say


Buddhism is the biggest religion, Christianity is third, Islam is second.
Posted 6/22/10 , edited 6/22/10

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God probably wouldn't have a face to punch, being a vast transcendental being.

Or, if God is omnipresent, you could punch anything and know how it feels to hit him. :)
I was thinking of this particular lesson in humanity when I wrote that.

While unreasonable fear can be the undoing of individual human dignity, when those who are stricken with fear in a bounden, they stop realizing their own undoings onto each other.
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Posted 6/22/10 , edited 6/22/10

maffoo wrote:

God probably wouldn't have a face to punch, being a vast transcendental being.

Or, if God is omnipresent, you could punch anything and know how it feels to hit him. :)


i guess my statement that God is not omnipresent with evidences from the Bible, hasn't reach you yet. Or you haven't read it or you rejected it

anyway, are you up for the challenge?
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One silly post, look we have plenty of people in this nation that need a higher power to believe in and I have meet brilliant people that their faith in god had a lot to do with their success. What about your 100 and below I.Q. the fears of hell dose keep allot in line as dumb as sounds but true. They hold on to those beliefs and try to stay with the bible and law of this country. I would think about what you just said what happen if over 55% believe in Islam and they want two make it the religion of this country. In addition, they have a supper majority like right now with democrats have. That could become an amendment to the constitution. Then the Supreme Court is out of the picture after it becomes an amendment. Look at Europe and the countries with large Muslim population kind of like a cancer, that spreading out.
Posted 6/23/10 , edited 6/23/10

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i guess my statement that God is not omnipresent with evidences from the Bible, hasn't reach you yet. Or you haven't read it or you rejected it

anyway, are you up for the challenge?
You first, and I'm only being polite.

But why should a good slave such as yourself challenge your own master? That's not who you are as a slave to a "nobody" according to the Bible.
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Personally I think the OP would have been better off titling the post "in defense of Atheism" or something.

But in terms of active topics at the time this thread began. This was ONE dissenting OP, in a sea of 'Defense of the Faith' threads specifically meant to shove Christianity (and not a more general spiritualism) down the throats of ED.

So I kinda understand why it was titled so. You don't like the assertions therein? why would you continue to post assertions of your own at a ration of at least 3:1 ?

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You are trying to make believing in something so great is so wrong. I have discussed with many religious people and they KNOW there life would be more fun without religion. The could do more things, but to us it is with a price and we would rather not take that chance. I live a completely fulfilled life and knowing that I can live happily after I die comforts me.
Posted 6/23/10

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You are trying to make believing in something so great is so wrong. I have discussed with many religious people and they KNOW there life would be more fun without religion. The could do more things, but to us it is with a price and we would rather not take that chance. I live a completely fulfilled life and knowing that I can live happily after I die comforts me.
So there's no difference whether you're alive or dead, then what's not preventing you from killing yourself other than the fact that your religion forbids the act of suicide?

That's right, you're still afraid to die even your religion told you that you'll be happy afterward. And if someone would kill you after they tortured you, you'll still be happy even thou you lived in fear and oppression at the end of your life. What a perfect ideology for a life in slavery.
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CrossLii wrote:

You are trying to make believing in something so great is so wrong. I have discussed with many religious people and they KNOW there life would be more fun without religion. The could do more things, but to us it is with a price and we would rather not take that chance. I live a completely fulfilled life and knowing that I can live happily after I die comforts me.
So there's no difference whether you're alive or dead, then what's not preventing you from killing yourself other than the fact that your religion forbids the act of suicide?

That's right, you're still afraid to die even your religion told you that you'll be happy afterward. And if someone would kill you after they tortured you, you'll still be happy even thou you lived in fear and oppression at the end of your life. What a perfect ideology for a life in slavery.


If you read what I said, I was saying that from an Atheists point of view, which I am not. If you are atheist then there is no point in living, in my opinion. And I can't stand this feeling that you act like you know me and you are better then me, because you're not. In fact you're kind of annoying. I am not in fear. I have morals, hope, and belief. I am not a slave, I obviously had a choice in what I follow and believe, therefore I am not a slave. You make having faith seem like it is the worst thing ever, when we live completely happy lives. We get married, have children, jobs, relationships. Of course depending on the religion, but my religion doesn't deny me any of that. I am SO sorry that my religion forbids me to sleep around, steal, and kill people?

I have an opened mind, and being a Christian is hard because of that. I want to ask questions all the time, but knowing how unhappy I will be without believing in God prevents me from changing mind. It is so easy to just not have to deal with it and not believe, but why? I see no point. I benefit far greater with my faith.
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CrossLii wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


CrossLii wrote:

You are trying to make believing in something so great is so wrong. I have discussed with many religious people and they KNOW there life would be more fun without religion. The could do more things, but to us it is with a price and we would rather not take that chance. I live a completely fulfilled life and knowing that I can live happily after I die comforts me.
So there's no difference whether you're alive or dead, then what's not preventing you from killing yourself other than the fact that your religion forbids the act of suicide?

That's right, you're still afraid to die even your religion told you that you'll be happy afterward. And if someone would kill you after they tortured you, you'll still be happy even thou you lived in fear and oppression at the end of your life. What a perfect ideology for a life in slavery.


If you read what I said, I was saying that from an Atheists point of view, which I am not. If you are atheist then there is no point in living, in my opinion. And I can't stand this feeling that you act like you know me and you are better then me, because you're not. In fact you're kind of annoying. I am not in fear. I have morals, hope, and belief. I am not a slave, I obviously had a choice in what I follow and believe, therefore I am not a slave. You make having faith seem like it is the worst thing ever, when we live completely happy lives. We get married, have children, jobs, relationships. Of course depending on the religion, but my religion doesn't deny me any of that. I am SO sorry that my religion forbids me to sleep around, steal, and kill people?

I have an opened mind, and being a Christian is hard because of that. I want to ask questions all the time, but knowing how unhappy I will be without believing in God prevents me from changing mind. It is so easy to just not have to deal with it and not believe, but why? I see no point. I benefit far greater with my faith.


I'm an atheist and I have a point in life. It's to satisfy me. That's my point in life. Then comes family and friends. Just because you don't have faith or believe in a greater being doesn't mean there's no point to your life.
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CrossLii wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


CrossLii wrote:

You are trying to make believing in something so great is so wrong. I have discussed with many religious people and they KNOW there life would be more fun without religion. The could do more things, but to us it is with a price and we would rather not take that chance. I live a completely fulfilled life and knowing that I can live happily after I die comforts me.
So there's no difference whether you're alive or dead, then what's not preventing you from killing yourself other than the fact that your religion forbids the act of suicide?

That's right, you're still afraid to die even your religion told you that you'll be happy afterward. And if someone would kill you after they tortured you, you'll still be happy even thou you lived in fear and oppression at the end of your life. What a perfect ideology for a life in slavery.


If you read what I said, I was saying that from an Atheists point of view, which I am not. If you are atheist then there is no point in living, in my opinion. And I can't stand this feeling that you act like you know me and you are better then me, because you're not. In fact you're kind of annoying. I am not in fear. I have morals, hope, and belief. I am not a slave, I obviously had a choice in what I follow and believe, therefore I am not a slave. You make having faith seem like it is the worst thing ever, when we live completely happy lives. We get married, have children, jobs, relationships. Of course depending on the religion, but my religion doesn't deny me any of that. I am SO sorry that my religion forbids me to sleep around, steal, and kill people?

I have an opened mind, and being a Christian is hard because of that. I want to ask questions all the time, but knowing how unhappy I will be without believing in God prevents me from changing mind. It is so easy to just not have to deal with it and not believe, but why? I see no point. I benefit far greater with my faith.


I'm an atheist and I have a point in life. It's to satisfy me. That's my point in life. Then comes family and friends. Just because you don't have faith or believe in a greater being doesn't mean there's no point to your life.


If you read earlier what I said, I believe that without an afterlife basically there isn't a point to life. Life wouldn't matter, because after everything, no matter whether your life was good or bad, it would all be forgotten anyways. And unless you were a famous hero, memories of you would fade away and there would be...well nothing. That is all I mean. It is just how I think of it, of course you do not have to agree whatsoever and I am not trying to make you. Just stating how I feel when it comes to these topics.

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CrossLii wrote:


zombehs wrote:


CrossLii wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


CrossLii wrote:

You are trying to make believing in something so great is so wrong. I have discussed with many religious people and they KNOW there life would be more fun without religion. The could do more things, but to us it is with a price and we would rather not take that chance. I live a completely fulfilled life and knowing that I can live happily after I die comforts me.
So there's no difference whether you're alive or dead, then what's not preventing you from killing yourself other than the fact that your religion forbids the act of suicide?

That's right, you're still afraid to die even your religion told you that you'll be happy afterward. And if someone would kill you after they tortured you, you'll still be happy even thou you lived in fear and oppression at the end of your life. What a perfect ideology for a life in slavery.


If you read what I said, I was saying that from an Atheists point of view, which I am not. If you are atheist then there is no point in living, in my opinion. And I can't stand this feeling that you act like you know me and you are better then me, because you're not. In fact you're kind of annoying. I am not in fear. I have morals, hope, and belief. I am not a slave, I obviously had a choice in what I follow and believe, therefore I am not a slave. You make having faith seem like it is the worst thing ever, when we live completely happy lives. We get married, have children, jobs, relationships. Of course depending on the religion, but my religion doesn't deny me any of that. I am SO sorry that my religion forbids me to sleep around, steal, and kill people?

I have an opened mind, and being a Christian is hard because of that. I want to ask questions all the time, but knowing how unhappy I will be without believing in God prevents me from changing mind. It is so easy to just not have to deal with it and not believe, but why? I see no point. I benefit far greater with my faith.


I'm an atheist and I have a point in life. It's to satisfy me. That's my point in life. Then comes family and friends. Just because you don't have faith or believe in a greater being doesn't mean there's no point to your life.


If you read earlier what I said, I believe that without an afterlife basically there isn't a point to life. Life wouldn't matter, because after everything, no matter whether your life was good or bad, it would all be forgotten anyways. And unless you were a famous hero, memories of you would fade away and there would be...well nothing. That is all I mean. It is just how I think of it, of course you do not have to agree whatsoever and I am not trying to make you. Just stating how I feel when it comes to these topics.



That is Illogical. For one I have one life to live.. And so I live my one life to the fullest. Unlike the religious who will wast there life away, because they have some illogical delusion that this is just a stepping stone for them. For the same reason I do not think Leaders who are religious make good ones. Do to the fact they do not care if life is made better or not wile there in charge because there lives do not start to they get to the slave master in the sky. Other words they could not give a damn about this world. Their to busy with their heads in the sky in lala land.

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