First  Prev  1  2  3  Next  Last
Benefits of Living Free from Christianity
792 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
23 / F
Offline
Posted 6/23/10

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


CrossLii wrote:


zombehs wrote:


CrossLii wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


CrossLii wrote:

You are trying to make believing in something so great is so wrong. I have discussed with many religious people and they KNOW there life would be more fun without religion. The could do more things, but to us it is with a price and we would rather not take that chance. I live a completely fulfilled life and knowing that I can live happily after I die comforts me.
So there's no difference whether you're alive or dead, then what's not preventing you from killing yourself other than the fact that your religion forbids the act of suicide?

That's right, you're still afraid to die even your religion told you that you'll be happy afterward. And if someone would kill you after they tortured you, you'll still be happy even thou you lived in fear and oppression at the end of your life. What a perfect ideology for a life in slavery.


If you read what I said, I was saying that from an Atheists point of view, which I am not. If you are atheist then there is no point in living, in my opinion. And I can't stand this feeling that you act like you know me and you are better then me, because you're not. In fact you're kind of annoying. I am not in fear. I have morals, hope, and belief. I am not a slave, I obviously had a choice in what I follow and believe, therefore I am not a slave. You make having faith seem like it is the worst thing ever, when we live completely happy lives. We get married, have children, jobs, relationships. Of course depending on the religion, but my religion doesn't deny me any of that. I am SO sorry that my religion forbids me to sleep around, steal, and kill people?

I have an opened mind, and being a Christian is hard because of that. I want to ask questions all the time, but knowing how unhappy I will be without believing in God prevents me from changing mind. It is so easy to just not have to deal with it and not believe, but why? I see no point. I benefit far greater with my faith.


I'm an atheist and I have a point in life. It's to satisfy me. That's my point in life. Then comes family and friends. Just because you don't have faith or believe in a greater being doesn't mean there's no point to your life.


If you read earlier what I said, I believe that without an afterlife basically there isn't a point to life. Life wouldn't matter, because after everything, no matter whether your life was good or bad, it would all be forgotten anyways. And unless you were a famous hero, memories of you would fade away and there would be...well nothing. That is all I mean. It is just how I think of it, of course you do not have to agree whatsoever and I am not trying to make you. Just stating how I feel when it comes to these topics.



That is Illogical. For one I have one life to live.. And so I live my one life to the fullest. Unlike the religious who will wast there life away, because they have some illogical delusion that this is just a stepping stone for them. For the same reason I do not think Leaders who are religious make good ones. Do to the fact they do not care if life is made better or not wile there in charge because there lives do not start to they get to the slave master in the sky. Other words they could not give a damn about this world. Their to busy with their heads in the sky in lala land.



But I guess it would all depend on whether they are truly religious or not. They can say they are, but if they do not care about other people then they are not...unless their religion is different or something? Ha. I plan to live my life to the fullest also. Sometimes I wonder if I am missing out since I don't party or drink, but really I am going places, and I know that. But you are not thinking about it right...in order to get to heaven they can't not care about people and live in lala land, or else they won't end up meeting the master in the sky. You shouldn't judge all religious people by the ones who say they are and aren't. There are many atheists as well who could give a flying hoot about this world. So look at it from both sides.
maffoo 
79814 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
35 / M / England
Offline
Posted 6/23/10

alupihan45 wrote:


maffoo wrote:

God probably wouldn't have a face to punch, being a vast transcendental being.

Or, if God is omnipresent, you could punch anything and know how it feels to hit him. :)


i guess my statement that God is not omnipresent with evidences from the Bible, hasn't reach you yet. Or you haven't read it or you rejected it

anyway, are you up for the challenge?


All the "evidence" from the Bible will prove is that the Christian concept of God is not omnipresent. There are many concepts of God, some are omnipresent, some aren't.

Going back to your earlier comment, surely atheists do challenge God, every time they ask for proof of his existence, or do experiments that they say show that prayer doesn't work. If God exists, surely disbelief itself is a challenge?

maffoo 
79814 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
35 / M / England
Offline
Posted 6/23/10

CrossLii wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


CrossLii wrote:


zombehs wrote:


CrossLii wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


CrossLii wrote:

You are trying to make believing in something so great is so wrong. I have discussed with many religious people and they KNOW there life would be more fun without religion. The could do more things, but to us it is with a price and we would rather not take that chance. I live a completely fulfilled life and knowing that I can live happily after I die comforts me.
So there's no difference whether you're alive or dead, then what's not preventing you from killing yourself other than the fact that your religion forbids the act of suicide?

That's right, you're still afraid to die even your religion told you that you'll be happy afterward. And if someone would kill you after they tortured you, you'll still be happy even thou you lived in fear and oppression at the end of your life. What a perfect ideology for a life in slavery.


If you read what I said, I was saying that from an Atheists point of view, which I am not. If you are atheist then there is no point in living, in my opinion. And I can't stand this feeling that you act like you know me and you are better then me, because you're not. In fact you're kind of annoying. I am not in fear. I have morals, hope, and belief. I am not a slave, I obviously had a choice in what I follow and believe, therefore I am not a slave. You make having faith seem like it is the worst thing ever, when we live completely happy lives. We get married, have children, jobs, relationships. Of course depending on the religion, but my religion doesn't deny me any of that. I am SO sorry that my religion forbids me to sleep around, steal, and kill people?

I have an opened mind, and being a Christian is hard because of that. I want to ask questions all the time, but knowing how unhappy I will be without believing in God prevents me from changing mind. It is so easy to just not have to deal with it and not believe, but why? I see no point. I benefit far greater with my faith.


I'm an atheist and I have a point in life. It's to satisfy me. That's my point in life. Then comes family and friends. Just because you don't have faith or believe in a greater being doesn't mean there's no point to your life.


If you read earlier what I said, I believe that without an afterlife basically there isn't a point to life. Life wouldn't matter, because after everything, no matter whether your life was good or bad, it would all be forgotten anyways. And unless you were a famous hero, memories of you would fade away and there would be...well nothing. That is all I mean. It is just how I think of it, of course you do not have to agree whatsoever and I am not trying to make you. Just stating how I feel when it comes to these topics.



That is Illogical. For one I have one life to live.. And so I live my one life to the fullest. Unlike the religious who will wast there life away, because they have some illogical delusion that this is just a stepping stone for them. For the same reason I do not think Leaders who are religious make good ones. Do to the fact they do not care if life is made better or not wile there in charge because there lives do not start to they get to the slave master in the sky. Other words they could not give a damn about this world. Their to busy with their heads in the sky in lala land.



But I guess it would all depend on whether they are truly religious or not. They can say they are, but if they do not care about other people then they are not...unless their religion is different or something? Ha. I plan to live my life to the fullest also. Sometimes I wonder if I am missing out since I don't party or drink, but really I am going places, and I know that. But you are not thinking about it right...in order to get to heaven they can't not care about people and live in lala land, or else they won't end up meeting the master in the sky. You shouldn't judge all religious people by the ones who say they are and aren't. There are many atheists as well who could give a flying hoot about this world. So look at it from both sides.


I would add that it also depends how religious they are. Some religious people are obsessed and base every decision on their holy book, while others have religious beliefs which they use to guide them, and which shape their morality, but are still normal, intelligent people who can make rational, informed decisions on the things that affect other peoples' lives.
Posted 6/23/10

CrossLii wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


CrossLii wrote:

You are trying to make believing in something so great is so wrong. I have discussed with many religious people and they KNOW there life would be more fun without religion. The could do more things, but to us it is with a price and we would rather not take that chance. I live a completely fulfilled life and knowing that I can live happily after I die comforts me.
So there's no difference whether you're alive or dead, then what's not preventing you from killing yourself other than the fact that your religion forbids the act of suicide?

That's right, you're still afraid to die even your religion told you that you'll be happy afterward. And if someone would kill you after they tortured you, you'll still be happy even thou you lived in fear and oppression at the end of your life. What a perfect ideology for a life in slavery.


If you read what I said, I was saying that from an Atheists point of view, which I am not. If you are atheist then there is no point in living, in my opinion. And I can't stand this feeling that you act like you know me and you are better then me, because you're not. In fact you're kind of annoying. I am not in fear. I have morals, hope, and belief. I am not a slave, I obviously had a choice in what I follow and believe, therefore I am not a slave. You make having faith seem like it is the worst thing ever, when we live completely happy lives. We get married, have children, jobs, relationships. Of course depending on the religion, but my religion doesn't deny me any of that. I am SO sorry that my religion forbids me to sleep around, steal, and kill people?

I have an opened mind, and being a Christian is hard because of that. I want to ask questions all the time, but knowing how unhappy I will be without believing in God prevents me from changing mind. It is so easy to just not have to deal with it and not believe, but why? I see no point. I benefit far greater with my faith.
You just assumed that I'm an atheist, when you've no clear and distinct idea just who I am based on my own reason to exist, and not by blind faith:

Also, the history of the Christian faith as foretold by the Bible is one filled with ethnic genocide, torture, slavery, rape, as well as justification of rape by making rape victims married to their murderous rapists. Therefore what Christianity is but an irrational and unrealistic justification for the fallacy of those stricken with unreasonable paranoia and fear, whereas the concept of God is an imaginary creation in order for them to reward themselves for what they've done. When they never knew moral nor ethic through their own moral reasoning in the first place.

Finally, your last statement is only for you to entitle your own ignorance as a Christian. Now how is that proof of you being an open-minded individual with independent free thinking? When the reality of your own existence as a Christian is full of self-contradictions.
2319 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
30 / M / where the grass i...
Offline
Posted 6/23/10

maffoo wrote:

All the "evidence" from the Bible will prove is that the Christian concept of God is not omnipresent. There are many concepts of God, some are omnipresent, some aren't.

Going back to your earlier comment, surely atheists do challenge God, every time they ask for proof of his existence, or do experiments that they say show that prayer doesn't work. If God exists, surely disbelief itself is a challenge?


well, since we are still talking about Christianity here, I'm limiting the talk about the Christian God but yeah. There are other concepts

i think somehow, God is winning the challenge (hope no one butts in our conversation). The fact that they are complaining how evil the world is (probably they are experience something) indicates God is not with them. Kinda vague?

Disbelief in God pushes him away so the evils of the world draws nearer to you

btw, prayer won't work if their is no faith or belief (take note, not religion). God reacts on faith.
Posted 6/23/10
A Christian upon realization that she has wasted so much time.
2319 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
30 / M / where the grass i...
Offline
Posted 6/23/10 , edited 6/23/10
It is funny how people thing religious people doesn't have a life and doesn't live to the fullest.

This is me and not the reflection of the whole group.

1. I have a strong sense of social obligation (not spreading religion) specifically, helping the orphans. My personal crusade is similar to God's concept of love. For some reason, I just realize I understood my senses more so I became a Christian.

2. I don't know what kind of life are we talking about here? well, some (i kinda expect someone here) may say that to live free from religion. Well, if that is you concept of full life. So be it. But if we are talking about a full life where we use all our faculties in doing goodness for humankind, that is what I call a full life. Of course I spend time with myself (i wouldn't know crunchy if i wasn't into anime) like watching TV, DVD, computer games, going to anime/gaming/toy conventions, roadtrip, wanderlust, grabbing some beer with friends and hanging out until sunrise and stuff
2319 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
30 / M / where the grass i...
Offline
Posted 6/23/10

Aztecnology wrote:

A Christian upon realization that she has wasted so much time.


hey, i couldn't said it better. No one told me orangeflute was a troll
4294 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
forgot where
Offline
Posted 6/23/10

alupihan45 wrote:

ohhh...

OP: good luck attaining your goals especially making heaven a place on earth ( was that Belinda Carlisle?)

Just a while ago, I am listening to a Bible study. The topic: To believers and non believers, believing that God exist is more sensible. Take note, before any violent reactions are made, that the topic is not about converting other people. It is not about Christianity. It is about the existence of God.

Anyway, the guy who was talking made this statement, which I want to share to everyone here.

" To all atheist and agnostic, I dare you to challenge God." the guy said.

So, any takers?


I Challenge your GOD!!!!!!! and i challenge you and everyone one else in this thread as well, i even challange the mods! bring it on!!!!!!!! peace over war
Posted 6/24/10

alupihan45 wrote:

It is funny how people thing religious people doesn't have a life and doesn't live to the fullest.

This is me and not the reflection of the whole group.

1. I have a strong sense of social obligation (not spreading religion) specifically, helping the orphans. My personal crusade is similar to God's concept of love. For some reason, I just realize I understood my senses more so I became a Christian.

2. I don't know what kind of life are we talking about here? well, some (i kinda expect someone here) may say that to live free from religion. Well, if that is you concept of full life. So be it. But if we are talking about a full life where we use all our faculties in doing goodness for humankind, that is what I call a full life. Of course I spend time with myself (i wouldn't know crunchy if i wasn't into anime) like watching TV, DVD, computer games, going to anime/gaming/toy conventions, roadtrip, wanderlust, grabbing some beer with friends and hanging out until sunrise and stuff
can the orphans you're supporting at the orphanages all enjoy the same kind of life that you have? If not then you're wasting your life contradicting your own "obligation", when you don't understand "social justice", nor the quality of life based on wellness, not material possession.

And finally, you're not helping the orphans as long as you're condemning them in institutional care.
75432 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
49 / F / Center of the Uni...
Offline
Posted 6/24/10

maffoo wrote:

First thing that springs to mind is, why the focus on Christianity? I find it weird that people target Christianity as if it's the only religion.

Second thing, that site is actually called "Benefits of living free from Christianity and theism" when it is actually about religion. It is quote possible to have theistic beliefs without being religious as such, as it is possible to be religious and atheist (I believe Buddhism, for example, is atheistic.)


During other conversations one more reason why the the OP might have focused on Christianity.
This is theory mind you, I know nothing about the OP.

Talking smack about Islam might get you a staring role in an Al Jezeira Snuff Film.


792 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
23 / F
Offline
Posted 6/24/10

DomFortress wrote:


CrossLii wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


CrossLii wrote:

You are trying to make believing in something so great is so wrong. I have discussed with many religious people and they KNOW there life would be more fun without religion. The could do more things, but to us it is with a price and we would rather not take that chance. I live a completely fulfilled life and knowing that I can live happily after I die comforts me.
So there's no difference whether you're alive or dead, then what's not preventing you from killing yourself other than the fact that your religion forbids the act of suicide?

That's right, you're still afraid to die even your religion told you that you'll be happy afterward. And if someone would kill you after they tortured you, you'll still be happy even thou you lived in fear and oppression at the end of your life. What a perfect ideology for a life in slavery.


If you read what I said, I was saying that from an Atheists point of view, which I am not. If you are atheist then there is no point in living, in my opinion. And I can't stand this feeling that you act like you know me and you are better then me, because you're not. In fact you're kind of annoying. I am not in fear. I have morals, hope, and belief. I am not a slave, I obviously had a choice in what I follow and believe, therefore I am not a slave. You make having faith seem like it is the worst thing ever, when we live completely happy lives. We get married, have children, jobs, relationships. Of course depending on the religion, but my religion doesn't deny me any of that. I am SO sorry that my religion forbids me to sleep around, steal, and kill people?

I have an opened mind, and being a Christian is hard because of that. I want to ask questions all the time, but knowing how unhappy I will be without believing in God prevents me from changing mind. It is so easy to just not have to deal with it and not believe, but why? I see no point. I benefit far greater with my faith.
You just assumed that I'm an atheist, when you've no clear and distinct idea just who I am based on my own reason to exist, and not by blind faith:

Also, the history of the Christian faith as foretold by the Bible is one filled with ethnic genocide, torture, slavery, rape, as well as justification of rape by making rape victims married to their murderous rapists. Therefore what Christianity is but an irrational and unrealistic justification for the fallacy of those stricken with unreasonable paranoia and fear, whereas the concept of God is an imaginary creation in order for them to reward themselves for what they've done. When they never knew moral nor ethic through their own moral reasoning in the first place.

Finally, your last statement is only for you to entitle your own ignorance as a Christian. Now how is that proof of you being an open-minded individual with independent free thinking? When the reality of your own existence as a Christian is full of self-contradictions.


I never said YOU were an atheist. Though you come off as one. Me saying "If you are atheist, then there is not point in living..." is not specifically you, sorry to burst your bubble. I was generally speaking to those who are.

I would love to keep this conversation going, but it is all just getting annoying. No, I understand your thinking, I really do. But I will not agree with it, and you will agree with mine. So this could just go on forever.

Oh, and I am not ignorant
792 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
23 / F
Offline
Posted 6/24/10

maffoo wrote:


CrossLii wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


CrossLii wrote:


zombehs wrote:


CrossLii wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


CrossLii wrote:

You are trying to make believing in something so great is so wrong. I have discussed with many religious people and they KNOW there life would be more fun without religion. The could do more things, but to us it is with a price and we would rather not take that chance. I live a completely fulfilled life and knowing that I can live happily after I die comforts me.
So there's no difference whether you're alive or dead, then what's not preventing you from killing yourself other than the fact that your religion forbids the act of suicide?

That's right, you're still afraid to die even your religion told you that you'll be happy afterward. And if someone would kill you after they tortured you, you'll still be happy even thou you lived in fear and oppression at the end of your life. What a perfect ideology for a life in slavery.


If you read what I said, I was saying that from an Atheists point of view, which I am not. If you are atheist then there is no point in living, in my opinion. And I can't stand this feeling that you act like you know me and you are better then me, because you're not. In fact you're kind of annoying. I am not in fear. I have morals, hope, and belief. I am not a slave, I obviously had a choice in what I follow and believe, therefore I am not a slave. You make having faith seem like it is the worst thing ever, when we live completely happy lives. We get married, have children, jobs, relationships. Of course depending on the religion, but my religion doesn't deny me any of that. I am SO sorry that my religion forbids me to sleep around, steal, and kill people?

I have an opened mind, and being a Christian is hard because of that. I want to ask questions all the time, but knowing how unhappy I will be without believing in God prevents me from changing mind. It is so easy to just not have to deal with it and not believe, but why? I see no point. I benefit far greater with my faith.


I'm an atheist and I have a point in life. It's to satisfy me. That's my point in life. Then comes family and friends. Just because you don't have faith or believe in a greater being doesn't mean there's no point to your life.


If you read earlier what I said, I believe that without an afterlife basically there isn't a point to life. Life wouldn't matter, because after everything, no matter whether your life was good or bad, it would all be forgotten anyways. And unless you were a famous hero, memories of you would fade away and there would be...well nothing. That is all I mean. It is just how I think of it, of course you do not have to agree whatsoever and I am not trying to make you. Just stating how I feel when it comes to these topics.



That is Illogical. For one I have one life to live.. And so I live my one life to the fullest. Unlike the religious who will wast there life away, because they have some illogical delusion that this is just a stepping stone for them. For the same reason I do not think Leaders who are religious make good ones. Do to the fact they do not care if life is made better or not wile there in charge because there lives do not start to they get to the slave master in the sky. Other words they could not give a damn about this world. Their to busy with their heads in the sky in lala land.



But I guess it would all depend on whether they are truly religious or not. They can say they are, but if they do not care about other people then they are not...unless their religion is different or something? Ha. I plan to live my life to the fullest also. Sometimes I wonder if I am missing out since I don't party or drink, but really I am going places, and I know that. But you are not thinking about it right...in order to get to heaven they can't not care about people and live in lala land, or else they won't end up meeting the master in the sky. You shouldn't judge all religious people by the ones who say they are and aren't. There are many atheists as well who could give a flying hoot about this world. So look at it from both sides.


I would add that it also depends how religious they are. Some religious people are obsessed and base every decision on their holy book, while others have religious beliefs which they use to guide them, and which shape their morality, but are still normal, intelligent people who can make rational, informed decisions on the things that affect other peoples' lives.


Yes, thank you, that is very true :)
Posted 6/24/10 , edited 6/24/10

CrossLii wrote:



I never said YOU were an atheist. Though you come off as one. Me saying "If you are atheist, then there is not point in living..." is not specifically you, sorry to burst your bubble. I was generally speaking to those who are.

I would love to keep this conversation going, but it is all just getting annoying. No, I understand your thinking, I really do. But I will not agree with it, and you will agree with mine. So this could just go on forever.

Oh, and I am not ignorant

How can you not be ignorant, when you were clearly ignoring your own contradictions in your own statement? That's on top of you ignored my biblical evidences that proved just exactly how fallible the Christian faith can be, with your own version of "no true Scotsman" political fallacy. Which BTW when you made your own religious identity as a Christian ambiguous, you subsequently made the Christian faith ambiguous. And thereby it's not a clear and distinct concept of moral and ethic codes, which can't be used as a sufficient process for justification.

Are you not a Christian in the biblical sense? If so how? While your answer will be the proof just how fallible and thereby imperfect your religion teaching is to your own person. Your refusal to answer those questions will be the irrefutable self-evidence of your own ignorance.

Finally, as a word of wisdom and warning; you can't really love what you actually find to be annoying. Your own God proved it when He commended ethnic genocides throughout the Old Testament.
First  Prev  1  2  3  Next  Last
You must be logged in to post.