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"If God(Jesus) Created Everything, Who Created God?" Is A Question Non-believeres Ask
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You non-believers say the Bible is stupid, because everybody knows that the Bible was written by men. Regardless of what you believe about the veracity of the Bible, as a skeptic, you need to pay attention to the Bible citations, since this is how you will evaluate the validity of arguments presented.

You will seek Me and find Me when you seek Me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:13)
That's the answer as to why Atheists can't seem to see that a God do exist. What stop Atheists? I do not know.

Questions Atheists ask:
If God exist then who created him?

Answer - A common objection to the "God hypothesis" is the problem of how God came to be. If everything has a cause, why does God get an exception? The problem with such reasoning is that it assumes that time has always existed. In reality, time is a construct of this universe. God who exists outside the time constraints of the universe is not subject to cause and effect. So, the idea that God has always existed and is not caused follows logically from the fact that the universe and time itself was created at the Big Bang. The Bible makes these exact claims, that God has always existed and that God created time, along with the entire universe, being described as an expanding universe. Why can't the universe be uncaused? Of course, it is possible that the universe is uncaused. However, there is a tremendous amount of evidence that contradicts that idea. So, an atheist who claims to live by logic and evidence cannot arbitrarily assign eternity to a universe that is clearly temporal.

BTW I follow the New Testament.
Verses the proves this:
1.No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory BEFORE TIME BEGAN. (1 Corinthians 2:7)
2. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before THE BEGINNING OF TIME (2 Timothy 1:9)
3. The hope of eternal life, which God... promised BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF TIME(Titus 1:2)
4. To the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, BEFORE ALL OF TIME and now and forever. Amen. (Jude 1:25)

Jesus is Lord!
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Find me proof God exists. Actually proof and then we can talk. While you're at that explain Noah's Ark as well. And the revival of Jesus. And Mose's parting the sea. And the whole Bible as it makes no damn sense. And you're citations are once again by men and therefore could be entire BS.
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Find me proof God exists. Actually proof and then we can talk. While you're at that explain Noah's Ark as well. And the revival of Jesus. And Mose's parting the sea. And the whole Bible as it makes no damn sense. And you're citations are once again by men and therefore could be entire BS.

No, God has not left His name etched onto the surface of planets. However, there is abundant evidence that the universe was designed by super intelligent Agent, who purposed that the universe should exist and be capable of supporting advanced life. The design of the universe is just one line of evidence that God created the universe... it is generated TOO perfectly for us human. The design of the earth and solar system is also quite impressive. Likewise, chemistry and physics preclude the possibility that life evolved on earth. In addition, human beings are remarkably different from every other animal on earth, suggesting a departure from naturalistic processes. Are you an atheist?

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Genesis 1:24 Then God said "Let the Earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the Earth after their kind; and it was so.
25 God made the beasts of the Earth after their kind and the cattle after their kind and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind and God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said "Let Us (trinity reference, not angels) make man in Our image according to our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the Earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the Earth.

How can Atheists believe we evolved from apes? Apes is considered an animal, and God first created animals and THEN created men in his image.

That is why both Atheists and Christian disagree.
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And begins another Evolution thread. Okay religion vs. science thread but it will come down to arguing evolution eventually. So this is what. the 8th thread where the same 5 people are going to trot out the same tired arguments that neither will accept from the other...
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God is beyond the need for a creator. All we know and have experiences is a finite universe that had a beginning. God created it and is above the need for a beginning. It is beyond our comprehension because it is beyond what we can conceive of/have experienced. God had no beginning and did not need to be created. The finite and our comprehension of creation was created by the One who is beyond all of it.
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God is beyond the need for a creator. All we know and have experiences is a finite universe that had a beginning. God created it and is above the need for a beginning. It is beyond our comprehension because it is beyond what we can conceive of/have experienced. God had no beginning and did not need to be created. The finite and our comprehension of creation was created by the One who is beyond all of it.

You said it! <3
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And begins another Evolution thread. Okay religion vs. science thread but it will come down to arguing evolution eventually. So this is what. the 8th thread where the same 5 people are going to trot out the same tired arguments that neither will accept from the other...

Darling, you are free to ask me anything...

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zombehs wrote:

Find me proof God exists. Actually proof and then we can talk. While you're at that explain Noah's Ark as well. And the revival of Jesus. And Mose's parting the sea. And the whole Bible as it makes no damn sense. And you're citations are once again by men and therefore could be entire BS.

No, God has not left His name etched onto the surface of planets. However, there is abundant evidence that the universe was designed by super intelligent Agent, who purposed that the universe should exist and be capable of supporting advanced life. The design of the universe is just one line of evidence that God created the universe... it is generated TOO perfectly for us human. The design of the earth and solar system is also quite impressive. Likewise, chemistry and physics preclude the possibility that life evolved on earth. In addition, human beings are remarkably different from every other animal on earth, suggesting a departure from naturalistic processes. Are you an atheist?



You could easily say that an advanced beyond comprehension race of aliens created the universe as their play thing. And that's more believable to me then a God. And yes I would consider myself an atheist.
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No, God has not left His name etched onto the surface of planets. However, there is abundant evidence that the universe was designed by super intelligent Agent, who purposed that the universe should exist and be capable of supporting advanced life. The design of the universe is just one line of evidence that God created the universe... it is generated TOO perfectly for us human. The design of the earth and solar system is also quite impressive. Likewise, chemistry and physics preclude the possibility that life evolved on earth. In addition, human beings are remarkably different from every other animal on earth, suggesting a departure from naturalistic processes. Are you an atheist?



Oh Really?

You've just re-started the Evolution, Young Earth and about five other topics with that one post.... bravo.

I won't challenge your assertions or beliefs if you don't dismiss mine. but have you considered the possibility that things are so 'perfect' for us because otherwise we wouldn't have existed to decide things are perfect? That somewhere else in the cosmos there might not be a race of chlorine breathing super lobsters saying "wow because THIS planet has chlorine and just the right amount heat. It's perfect for us. oh and by the way no creature without an exoskeleton can benefit from god's grace. how would they keep their soul inside?"


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popcornpuffs wrote:


zombehs wrote:

Find me proof God exists. Actually proof and then we can talk. While you're at that explain Noah's Ark as well. And the revival of Jesus. And Mose's parting the sea. And the whole Bible as it makes no damn sense. And you're citations are once again by men and therefore could be entire BS.

No, God has not left His name etched onto the surface of planets. However, there is abundant evidence that the universe was designed by super intelligent Agent, who purposed that the universe should exist and be capable of supporting advanced life. The design of the universe is just one line of evidence that God created the universe... it is generated TOO perfectly for us human. The design of the earth and solar system is also quite impressive. Likewise, chemistry and physics preclude the possibility that life evolved on earth. In addition, human beings are remarkably different from every other animal on earth, suggesting a departure from naturalistic processes. Are you an atheist?



You could easily say that an advanced beyond comprehension race of aliens created the universe as their play thing. And that's more believable to me then a God. And yes I would consider myself an atheist.

Once again, and solar system is also quite impressive. Likewise, chemistry and physics preclude the possibility that life evolved on earth. In addition, human beings are remarkably different from every other animal on earth, suggesting a departure from naturalistic processes. The idea that man evolved from an ape is completely false, and is laughable.

It is not supported by any evidence whatsoever.
All hominid fossils are clearly human or clearly ape.
Evolution requires the creation of new genetic information. The proposed mechanism is mutations, yet all observed mutations are information neutral or lossy.

Posted 6/23/10
A God who approves slavery is no creator, but a creation to justify the fallacy of men. And that's a fact throughout the history of human religion, when those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it as a pattern of self-deception.

So who cares about your God? When you as a slave don't even know yourself as well as you knowing a metaphysical "nobody" of a slave master.
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jusus was not god..he was the son of god, the messiah, prophet as you may say....and no onec crested god....god is like an untouchable feeling we have within us..like for e.,g. love...u cant say who created love...you cannot touch it...but you can feel it and know that it exists...
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No, God has not left His name etched onto the surface of planets. However, there is abundant evidence that the universe was designed by super intelligent Agent, who purposed that the universe should exist and be capable of supporting advanced life. The design of the universe is just one line of evidence that God created the universe... it is generated TOO perfectly for us human. The design of the earth and solar system is also quite impressive. Likewise, chemistry and physics preclude the possibility that life evolved on earth. In addition, human beings are remarkably different from every other animal on earth, suggesting a departure from naturalistic processes. Are you an atheist?



Oh Really?

You've just re-started the Evolution, Young Earth and about five other topics with that one post.... bravo.

I won't challenge your assertions or beliefs if you don't dismiss mine. but have you considered the possibility that things are so 'perfect' for us because otherwise we wouldn't have existed to decide things are perfect? That somewhere else in the cosmos there might not be a race of chlorine breathing super lobsters saying "wow because THIS planet has chlorine and just the right amount heat. It's perfect for us. oh and by the way no creature without an exoskeleton can benefit from god's grace. how would they keep their soul inside?"




We did not ADAPT. Why are there apes in this world who have not still evolved yet?
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A God who approves slavery is no creator, but a creation to justify the fallacy of men. And that's a fact throughout the history of human religion, when those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it as a pattern of self-deception.

So who cares about your God? When you as a slave don't even know yourself as well as you knowing a metaphysical "nobody" of a slave master.


Okay now you're just slinging insults. It's not helping.


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