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Posted 6/23/10 , edited 6/23/10

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Aztecnology wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


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We're going to run out of resources since we aren't very focused on creating renewable ones.


Nuclear Power ? There's enough nuclear fuel on earth to power it for 100 million years. Limitless energy for 100 million years.


It will permeate the soil and give birth to giant earth worms that will eat humanity. We need more electrical energy than anything, not air quality destroying petrol and other toxic, carcinogenic filth.


Nuclear can provide limitless electrical energy for hundreds of year, without any giant earthworms. Wind, Solar, Hydroelectric, aren't sufficient for our current needs, and won't be sufficient for our future needs, and they don't even hold a candle to nuclear power.

Can also burn natural gas to generate electricity.


There are easier ways. building space bases to trap solar power through panels can gather 13 more times the power in space than we can on earth do to are atmosphere. The power than can be beam to reservoirs that directly input the power into are power grid.

Moon will work wanders for this as well.

We could generate enough power to power all of earth population in 2050 with a single large solar power Plant on the moon.

Should invest now before its to late.


hehe i agree with you that solar power is better but a space base isn't easier that nuclear power.

and yeah, we should invest now.


Solar panels require a Vacuum to make them that is why there so expensive. But On the moon its a vacuum making Solar panels dirt cheap. Not just that but moon dust has most of what is needed to make solar panels. Investing on getting there. the rest of the product can be made right there.

I am a businessman!

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

There are easier ways. building space bases to trap solar power through panels can gather 13 more times the power in space than we can on earth do to are atmosphere. The power than can be beam to reservoirs that directly input the power into are power grid.

Moon will work wanders for this as well.

We could generate enough power to power all of earth population in 2050 with a single large solar power Plant on the moon.

Should invest now before its to late.


Its not economical.

1 modernized nuclear power plant = i'll just guess somewhere around 1-20 billion dollars,
1 space solar farm = 1 - 3 trillion dollars
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Allhailodin wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

There are easier ways. building space bases to trap solar power through panels can gather 13 more times the power in space than we can on earth do to are atmosphere. The power than can be beam to reservoirs that directly input the power into are power grid.

Moon will work wanders for this as well.

We could generate enough power to power all of earth population in 2050 with a single large solar power Plant on the moon.

Should invest now before its to late.


Its not economical.

1 modernized nuclear power plant = i'll just guess somewhere around 1-20 billion dollars,
1 space solar farm = 1 - 3 trillion dollars


Most of what is needed can be made is space for the price of pennies pur mile. Moon dust can be melted down and components lane right on it costing very little to nothing once we pay the cost of the few AI auto-builders.

Cost of 3 rockets. that will be storing Inflatable base/headquarters. AI Auto-solar building droids that we do have so we are ready to go. RockAir digger.

100$ million is the cost to send a rocket to the moon, 300$ million + plus cost of inflatable base, and machines.. Solar panels are made there on the surface of the moon. My estimation is 10 to 20 billion at most. Wen adding any unforeseen incidents.
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Aztecnology wrote:


orangeflute wrote:


Aztecnology wrote:

We're going to run out of resources since we aren't very focused on creating renewable ones.


They are too cumbersome. As the ancient cliché goes-If the system ain't broke, why fix it. Beside, oil is renewable-just kill as many carbon based organism as possible, throw them into the sea, wait a few million of years, and you get petroleum.


Wait a few million years? We don't have that kind of time. So we might need to go green with haste, not that I hug trees or side with Green Peace.


Things die all the time, I am sure more petrol will turn up.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Aztecnology wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Aztecnology wrote:

We're going to run out of resources since we aren't very focused on creating renewable ones.


Nuclear Power ? There's enough nuclear fuel on earth to power it for 100 million years. Limitless energy for 100 million years.


It will permeate the soil and give birth to giant earth worms that will eat humanity. We need more electrical energy than anything, not air quality destroying petrol and other toxic, carcinogenic filth.


Nuclear can provide limitless electrical energy for hundreds of year, without any giant earthworms. Wind, Solar, Hydroelectric, aren't sufficient for our current needs, and won't be sufficient for our future needs, and they don't even hold a candle to nuclear power.

Can also burn natural gas to generate electricity.


There are easier ways. building space bases to trap solar power through panels can gather 13 more times the power in space than we can on earth do to are atmosphere. The power than can be beam to reservoirs that directly input the power into are power grid.

Moon will work wanders for this as well.

We could generate enough power to power all of earth population in 2050 with a single large solar power Plant on the moon.

Should invest now before its to late.


hehe i agree with you that solar power is better but a space base isn't easier that nuclear power.

and yeah, we should invest now.


Solar panels require a Vacuum to make them that is why there so expensive. But On the moon its a vacuum making Solar panels dirt cheap. Not just that but moon dust has most of what is needed to make solar panels. Investing on getting there. the rest of the product can be made right there.

I am a businessman!



Why go back and forth, why not just live on the moon? That way, the workers can devote much more of their time to their job. I am sure that the amount produced will be able to supply both our base upon the moon and the earth if it is as abundant as you proclaim it to.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

There are easier ways. building space bases to trap solar power through panels can gather 13 more times the power in space than we can on earth do to are atmosphere. The power than can be beam to reservoirs that directly input the power into are power grid.

Moon will work wanders for this as well.

We could generate enough power to power all of earth population in 2050 with a single large solar power Plant on the moon.

Should invest now before its to late.


Its not economical.

1 modernized nuclear power plant = i'll just guess somewhere around 1-20 billion dollars,
1 space solar farm = 1 - 3 trillion dollars


Most of what is needed can be made is space for the price of pennies pur mile. Moon dust can be melted down and components lane right on it costing very little to nothing once we pay the cost of the few AI auto-builders.

Cost of 3 rockets. that will be storing Inflatable base/headquarters. AI Auto-solar building droids that we do have so we are ready to go. RockAir digger.

100$ million is the cost to send a rocket to the moon, 300$ million + plus cost of inflatable base, and machines.. Solar panels are made there on the surface of the moon. My estimation is 10 to 20 billion at most. Wen adding any unforeseen incidents.


are all of those existing technologies already or still under study?

i think it will not only cost 3 rockets but it may be the minimun.
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Allhailodin wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

There are easier ways. building space bases to trap solar power through panels can gather 13 more times the power in space than we can on earth do to are atmosphere. The power than can be beam to reservoirs that directly input the power into are power grid.

Moon will work wanders for this as well.

We could generate enough power to power all of earth population in 2050 with a single large solar power Plant on the moon.

Should invest now before its to late.


Its not economical.

1 modernized nuclear power plant = i'll just guess somewhere around 1-20 billion dollars,
1 space solar farm = 1 - 3 trillion dollars


cost effective wise, nuclear power but that same source of energy can be used as a weapon also
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

Most of what is needed can be made is space for the price of pennies pur mile. Moon dust can be melted down and components lane right on it costing very little to nothing once we pay the cost of the few AI auto-builders.

Cost of 3 rockets. that will be storing Inflatable base/headquarters. AI Auto-solar building droids that we do have so we are ready to go. RockAir digger.

100$ million is the cost to send a rocket to the moon, 300$ million + plus cost of inflatable base, and machines.. Solar panels are made there on the surface of the moon. My estimation is 10 to 20 billion at most. Wen adding any unforeseen incidents.


You can't have an inflatable moon base, That's not going to work, it has to be made out of steel and plastic. it would have to be taken in pieces and assembled on the moon.

Much In a similar manner to the way space stations are assembled. the ISS cost 150 billion dollars lol, and its just in earth orbit, a moon factory would be 10 times larger and more expensive, so your already at 1 trillion dollars. Plus the cost of actually transporting the segments there. Plus the machines and cost of power sources. so 1 - 1.5 trillion dollars.

Silicon is on the moon, so you have that. So for raw material your solar cells.

But you still need to microwave beam it back, likely to a satellite or series of satellites. Which would then have to beam it back to earth, but earth and the moon both rotate, at different rates too, so the beam line would be broken. and the transmission of power would half until they lined back up again.

And the moon isn't a true vacuum the moon has an atmosphere, mostly helium and its created by out gassing due to radioactive decay in the moon.
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alupihan45 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

There are easier ways. building space bases to trap solar power through panels can gather 13 more times the power in space than we can on earth do to are atmosphere. The power than can be beam to reservoirs that directly input the power into are power grid.

Moon will work wanders for this as well.

We could generate enough power to power all of earth population in 2050 with a single large solar power Plant on the moon.

Should invest now before its to late.


Its not economical.

1 modernized nuclear power plant = i'll just guess somewhere around 1-20 billion dollars,
1 space solar farm = 1 - 3 trillion dollars


cost effective wise, nuclear power but that same source of energy can be used as a weapon also


How ?
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There a big difference between weapons grade enrich uranium then that to run power plants. Iran is going after a weapons grade and it need to be stop. Even power plant grade can be use as a dirty bomb. I might be mistaken but there much more uranium 235 and through center fugues you and change the structure too Uranium 238 what is need for a bomb but there still a lot of refining that too to make reactor grade and even more to make weapons grade. Uranium 238 is hard to find where 235 is easier to get but far more work must to make it.
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There a big difference between weapons grade enrich uranium then that to run power plants. Iran is going after a weapons grade and it need to be stop. Even power plant grade can be use as a dirty bomb. I might be mistaken but there much more uranium 235 and through center fugues you and change the structure too Uranium 238 what is need for a bomb but there still a lot of refining that too to make reactor grade and even more to make weapons grade. Uranium 238 is hard to find where 235 is easier to get but far more work must to make it.


That's incorrect.

Uranium-238 makes up like 99.2% ( i think) of all natural uranium, its not fissile, so its useless for nuclear weapons, but it can fast fission(need a neutron @ > 1 MeV i think), and it can capture a neutron and decay into Plutonium-239 which is fissile and is used in nuclear weapons. It can be transmuted into Plutonium-239 in a nuclear reactor. Its very common in the earths crust. More common than silver apparently.


And Uranium-235 is rare making up 0.8% of natural uranium, it is fissile so it can be used in a nuclear bomb.
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Thank you for correcting me, I realized I had made an grammar error I first started off with I might be wrong I must have deleted it sorry.
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Allhailodin wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

There are easier ways. building space bases to trap solar power through panels can gather 13 more times the power in space than we can on earth do to are atmosphere. The power than can be beam to reservoirs that directly input the power into are power grid.

Moon will work wanders for this as well.

We could generate enough power to power all of earth population in 2050 with a single large solar power Plant on the moon.

Should invest now before its to late.


Its not economical.

1 modernized nuclear power plant = i'll just guess somewhere around 1-20 billion dollars,
1 space solar farm = 1 - 3 trillion dollars


cost effective wise, nuclear power but that same source of energy can be used as a weapon also


How ?


well, you know what they say, " It could get ugly in the wrong hands". You also mentioned how it can be transmuted for weapon use. That is just me being paranoid.

We don't want to be accused of having a weapon of mass destruction ^_^
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

There are easier ways. building space bases to trap solar power through panels can gather 13 more times the power in space than we can on earth do to are atmosphere. The power than can be beam to reservoirs that directly input the power into are power grid.

Moon will work wanders for this as well.

We could generate enough power to power all of earth population in 2050 with a single large solar power Plant on the moon.

Should invest now before its to late.


Easier ways[and also ecological] are the exact opposite of space travel.

Most likely you'd need a station with panels of several squaremiles. You would have to transport them into orbit. Next would be maintaining them. Maintenance means at least two crews for repairs every year and several rockets for spareparts. You would destroy the atmosphere just to maintain your absolutely NOT ECOLOGICAL powersource.

Beaming the energy means crossing the atmosphere. The beam crosses the atmosphere. You are basically sending a bundled lightbeam down to Earth heating the atmosphere up(the atmosphere gets heated up by the energy you loose while crossing air). Let's say you have a few thousand such stations in orbit --> they would destroy more than all conventional modern powerplants burning oil or carbon combined. You would literally microwave the atmosphere.

Giant beam facilities in space are cool for sc-fi but bullshit in reality.
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