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That was the point I was trying to make. Although it wouldn't necessarily result in a colectivist spirit.

It might end an age of rugged individualism.

Think. If material possessions were as meaninglessly easy to acquire as self-awarded internet ahievements, then how would competitive humans distinguish themselves from one another. what would equal wealth? Status?

One answer: What you can do.

ergo you could end up with a system where wealth/respect/acknowledgement is based on your skill and industriousness. those who have abilities that are valued, those that put effort into sharing the fruits of those abilities are the new rich/elite/upper/class.

and to be poor you have to be unable/unwilling to put what skills and energy you have to work.

in a society like that of course, the ability to take care of oneself would go without saying. being skilled at self defense would be the rule, not the exception.

Note this is not my idea but one I read as a teenager.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyage_from_Yesteryear
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

That was the point I was trying to make. Although it wouldn't necessarily result in a colectivist spirit.

It might end an age of rugged individualism.

Think. If material possessions were as meaninglessly easy to acquire as self-awarded internet ahievements, then how would competitive humans distinguish themselves from one another. what would equal wealth? Status?

One answer: What you can do.

ergo you could end up with a system where wealth/respect/acknowledgement is based on your skill and industriousness. those who have abilities that are valued, those that put effort into sharing the fruits of those abilities are the new rich/elite/upper/class.

and to be poor you have to be unable/unwilling to put what skills and energy you have to work.

in a society like that of course, the ability to take care of oneself would go without saying. being skilled at self defense would be the rule, not the exception.

Note this is not my idea but one I read as a teenager.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyage_from_Yesteryear



Now I agree with this statement wen it comes to making changes to the way are nation thinks and acts. For once a young mind is influenced or programmed by there family/community. It takes great amount of work and energy to reeducate them .

could only be solved if the children of one generation were somehow separated from their parents, and hence did not learn any of their prejudices

This is why it is so hard for people to think outside the box.
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Why I created such exercises. To challenge them to try to think out side the box.
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James P. Hogan was a little dry as an author but it was a good book. It also articulated 'needs theory' for me. twenty years before it became a core part of my training as a nurse.
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Why I created such exercises. To challenge them to try to think out side the box.


Which isn't happening IMO. I don't get the impression people are able to envision the radical paradigm changes one would find in a post-scarcity economy. Or even that they are thinking beyond the immediate short term mechanics of your magical device itself.


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As I pointed Out such systems fail / America / Canada / England system only leads to economic failure. . They bread corruption. They would be better off dissolved and picked up a more officiant governing system. Dictatorships fail as well because that again is dividing the power up giving most to a small group or a single person. Hence failing every-time before they even got started.



well, you concept of community (communism or socialism) or something like a colony, is good economic wise. What I have is what you have also. But there can never be a community where everyone is equal. There would be someone who will be greater among anyone else. Such communities needs leaders too and leaders are vested with powers, which the common people doesn't have. Thus, it is still prone to corruption also
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

As I pointed Out such systems fail / America / Canada / England system only leads to economic failure. . They bread corruption. They would be better off dissolved and picked up a more officiant governing system. Dictatorships fail as well because that again is dividing the power up giving most to a small group or a single person. Hence failing every-time before they even got started.



well, you concept of community (communism or socialism) or something like a colony, is good economic wise. What I have is what you have also. But there can never be a community where everyone is equal. There would be someone who will be greater among anyone else. Such communities needs leaders too and leaders are vested with powers, which the common people doesn't have. Thus, it is still prone to corruption also


Explain to me in detail!

Why do we need leaders? (Wen all topics can be voted on v'a the internet than majority of votes on said topics passed and is acted upon.)

Why does their have to be a person with more power than any other? (people who relied heavily on other people to make decisions for them v'a leadership, leads to Ignorance within the majority of people.)

What stops the community from being able to equally function and work as one through a balance of voting on topics? (it is the later part of the computer age after all.)

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Explain to me in detail!

Why do we need leaders? (Wen all topics can be voted on v'a the internet than majority of votes on said topics passed and is acted upon.)

Why does their have to be a person with more power than any other? (people who relied heavily on other people to make decisions for them v'a leadership, leads to Ignorance within the majority of people.)

What stops the community from being able to equally function and work as one through a balance of voting on topics? (it is the later part of the computer age after all.)



1. we can vote in the internet, but with all the problem is who will execute it? Who will make the people follow the decision?

2. There is always a person who has more power. A lot of people are apathetic on social movements that they need to be pushed always just to move forward. Someone also needs to put people in line since human tendency, with their free will, go do what they want even if it means not following the law.

3. what stops the community is their difference of ideas. Everyone has different wants and needs. If the kind of government would be democracy, then everyone can have what they want that means not everyone would be equal.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Explain to me in detail!

Why do we need leaders? (Wen all topics can be voted on v'a the internet than majority of votes on said topics passed and is acted upon.)

Why does their have to be a person with more power than any other? (people who relied heavily on other people to make decisions for them v'a leadership, leads to Ignorance within the majority of people.)

What stops the community from being able to equally function and work as one through a balance of voting on topics? (it is the later part of the computer age after all.)



1. we can vote in the internet, but with all the problem is who will execute it? Who will make the people follow the decision?

2. There is always a person who has more power. A lot of people are apathetic on social movements that they need to be pushed always just to move forward. Someone also needs to put people in line since human tendency, with their free will, go do what they want even if it means not following the law.

3. what stops the community is their difference of ideas. Everyone has different wants and needs. If the kind of government would be democracy, then everyone can have what they want that means not everyone would be equal.


You will find that countries with less law good or bad seem to to be more of economicly proficient . (COUNTRIES WHERE Governments stay out of the peoples lives and have minamul restrictions,red tape, and laws flurrish greatly. knowing that fact leads one to ask do you still think wneed parties in power and someone in charge of are government?
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You will find that countries with less law good or bad seem to to be more of economicly proficient . (COUNTRIES WHERE Governments stay out of the peoples lives and have minamul restrictions,red tape, and laws flurrish greatly. knowing that fact leads one to ask do you still think wneed parties in power and someone in charge of are government?
And just what country exactly is that? Before you make up some unrealistic fairy tales.
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You will find that countries with less law good or bad seem to to be more of economicly proficient . (COUNTRIES WHERE Governments stay out of the peoples lives and have minamul restrictions,red tape, and laws flurrish greatly. knowing that fact leads one to ask do you still think wneed parties in power and someone in charge of are government?
And just what country exactly is that? Before you make up some unrealistic fairy tales.

If I was on my computer I would have shown you the research. But the ps3 hinders me in this. So I will let you research it. But I will give some hints what to look into. First compare two over populated places. Indea and Hong Kung... wile Indea is heavilly povirish with a lot of goverment control and restrictions. Wile Hong Kung has just as much of a population problem on avridge there people are far above being in poverty,most of this is do to a goverment that does very little. Anyone can start a business without having togo thrue the goverment or a bunch of red tape. well at least that is the cas in the 90's. Thinking back you might be able to find some information about freedom equals progress, on youtube uner the title is America Number 1 or someth in those lines.
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And just what country exactly is that? Before you make up some unrealistic fairy tales.

If I was on my computer I would have shown you the research. But the ps3 hinders me in this. So I will let you research it. But I will give some hints what to look into. First compare two over populated places. Indea and Hong Kung... wile Indea is heavilly povirish with a lot of goverment control and restrictions. Wile Hong Kung has just as much of a population problem on avridge there people are far above being in poverty,most of this is do to a goverment that does very little. Anyone can start a business without having togo thrue the goverment or a bunch of red tape. well at least that is the cas in the 90's. Thinking back you might be able to find some information about freedom equals progress, on youtube uner the title is America Number 1 or someth in those lines.
Then don't even bother to reply, when you only got anecdotal reports. While you're being irresponsible with your lack of proofs, that's very unscientific of you.

So get off your PS3, unless you're someone who's too lazy to progress your own freedom from yourself being enslaved by mere video-games.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


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And just what country exactly is that? Before you make up some unrealistic fairy tales.

If I was on my computer I would have shown you the research. But the ps3 hinders me in this. So I will let you research it. But I will give some hints what to look into. First compare two over populated places. Indea and Hong Kung... wile Indea is heavilly povirish with a lot of goverment control and restrictions. Wile Hong Kung has just as much of a population problem on avridge there people are far above being in poverty,most of this is do to a goverment that does very little. Anyone can start a business without having togo thrue the goverment or a bunch of red tape. well at least that is the cas in the 90's. Thinking back you might be able to find some information about freedom equals progress, on youtube uner the title is America Number 1 or someth in those lines.
Then don't even bother to reply, when you only got anecdotal reports. While you're being irresponsible with your lack of proofs, that's very unscientific of you.

So get off your PS3, unless you're someone who's too lazy to progress your own freedom from yourself being enslaved by mere video-games.


I have been using the ps3 to check my mail ...not play games. Do To My computer crashing. at this time a home computer is not top on my budget. So i must deal with what i have to work with. Unless you really think that me being a scientist, gives me wealth, in some way.
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DomFortress wrote:

Then don't even bother to reply, when you only got anecdotal reports. While you're being irresponsible with your lack of proofs, that's very unscientific of you.

So get off your PS3, unless you're someone who's too lazy to progress your own freedom from yourself being enslaved by mere video-games.


I have been using the ps3 to check my mail ...not play games. Do To My computer crashing. at this time a home computer is not top on my budget. So i must deal with what i have to work with. Unless you really think that me being a scientist, gives me wealth, in some way.
Excuses, excuses. When you still didn't present proofs, you dealt me with nothing.
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