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Posted 6/24/10 , edited 6/24/10
So what do you think about space mining, where you harvest the solar systems natural resources and bring them back to earth, like for example, in the outer solar system, Saturns moon Titan has more hydrocarbons in it than earth does. Titan has entire lakes of liquid hydrocarbons that could fuel earth for hundreds of years, and its just a little larger that our moon. And Jupiters moon Europa has more water on it than there is water on earth, space mining would be the bringing back of those resources to earth. Do you guys think its feasible ?
Posted 6/24/10
Of course, even though the project to get at those resources would cost a great deal.
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Posted 6/25/10 , edited 6/25/10
If we were working on it right now, instead of gearing up for round 1 of the resource wars... maybe.

I just don't see any effort put into reaching those far shores before we bring armageddon down on ourselves. but Perhaps I'm pessimistic

Right now our efforts in space consist of a 10 year old orbiting winnebago and whole bunch of little robot toys doing cool things for scientists to write papers about.

One clever Idea that I wonder was never pursued....

how much extra effort would be involved in boosting the fuel tank of a shuttle along with a shuttle, so that that big sealed bottle could be used as space station building blocks instead of discarding it in the sea?


Posted 6/25/10
Space mining would be great deal. Space is vast, there are many rocks in space we could mine. However as we solve one problem there exist another. We send rockets to space and introduce Co2 as environmentalist claims and there we also get rage from them. Worse you gotta include some politicians on the move too.
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Posted 6/25/10
It may be possible if their money in it. However, please don not get live NASA out of it, it like a black hole money gets sucked and very little gets out. Back in the olden day astronauts had something gut and half way nuts. Nevertheless, they did it. The death of one crew and it shut it down for three years. We had people die on the pad they knew sitting on the tank, you are setting on a bomb when you take off.
Posted 6/25/10
Great, destroying another planet because we failed to take care of our own.
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Posted 6/25/10

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Great, destroying another planet because we failed to take care of our own.


But if its uninhabited and incapable of supporting life (like mars, or titan) whats the problem ? And its not necessarily planets and moons, lots of asteroids are made of nickel and iron. And there's lots of huge solid blocks of frozen water ice in the solar system (Where do you think earths water came from).
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But if its uninhabited and incapable of supporting life (like mars, or titan) whats the problem ? And its not necessarily planets and moons, lots of asteroids are made of nickel and iron. And there's lots of huge solid blocks of frozen water ice in the solar system (Where do you think earths water came from).


You know you have a good balance on Earth between producing carbondioxide and fixating carbon in matter. Why do you want to add more? You could destroy Earth by doing so.

Spacemining is only good for using it in space, not bringing it to Earth. We have everything we need on Earth. Leaving Earth can only have one reason, to gain more room to live, terraforming other planets and exploring space.
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Posted 6/27/10

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Allhailodin wrote:

But if its uninhabited and incapable of supporting life (like mars, or titan) whats the problem ? And its not necessarily planets and moons, lots of asteroids are made of nickel and iron. And there's lots of huge solid blocks of frozen water ice in the solar system (Where do you think earths water came from).


You know you have a good balance on Earth between producing carbondioxide and fixating carbon in matter. Why do you want to add more? You could destroy Earth by doing so.

Spacemining is only good for using it in space, not bringing it to Earth. We have everything we need on Earth. Leaving Earth can only have one reason, to gain more room to live, terraforming other planets and exploring space.


Not really earth is not a close ecosystem Matter is being introduced to earth without stop. From matter in the form of Light, to ice and and rocks falling to earth from space.
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Posted 6/28/10

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Not really earth is not a close ecosystem Matter is being introduced to earth without stop. From matter in the form of Light, to ice and and rocks falling to earth from space.


Space mining wouldn't pay off if you don't exceed that amount of matter by the thousands.
Posted 6/28/10

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

Not really earth is not a close ecosystem Matter is being introduced to earth without stop. From matter in the form of Light, to ice and and rocks falling to earth from space.


Space mining wouldn't pay off if you don't exceed that amount of matter by the thousands.


Agreed, in thousands tonnage worth of minerals you bring to earth would mean millions of tons worth of carbon dioxide being introduced to the atmosphere. Its not worth it, with the technology we got today we will only blacken our skies.
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Posted 6/28/10

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sindba-d wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

Not really earth is not a close ecosystem Matter is being introduced to earth without stop. From matter in the form of Light, to ice and and rocks falling to earth from space.


Space mining wouldn't pay off if you don't exceed that amount of matter by the thousands.


Agreed, in thousands tonnage worth of minerals you bring to earth would mean millions of tons worth of carbon dioxide being introduced to the atmosphere. Its not worth it, with the technology we got today we will only blacken our skies.



How so?

For one, If we are mining minerals in space. we not be getting are power from that. Only metals. We not be Burning it, so no we would not be introducing it to air.

Solar power is 13 times more strong in space as it is on earth. So The power source that would be used is Solar. than it will be beam to earth power grid. clean non wasteful power source.

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

How so?

For one, If we are mining minerals in space. we not be getting are power from that. Only metals. We not be Burning it, so no we would not be introducing it to air.

Solar power is 13 times more strong in space as it is on earth. So The power source that would be used is Solar. than it will be beam to earth power grid. clean non wasteful power source.



You need rockets for workforce and equipment. A LOT of rockets!

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You can't leave the people in space. You need to exchange workers every few months. If you managed to provide artificial gravity that would only size up your space station --> you'd have to transport even more material into space to build such huge space stations and on and on
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Posted 6/28/10 , edited 6/28/10

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

How so?

For one, If we are mining minerals in space. we not be getting are power from that. Only metals. We not be Burning it, so no we would not be introducing it to air.

Solar power is 13 times more strong in space as it is on earth. So The power source that would be used is Solar. than it will be beam to earth power grid. clean non wasteful power source.



You need rockets for workforce and equipment. A LOT of rockets!


No.. There are other methods. You thinking in a square quite flat one at that.
Rockets will only be need till a off planet base is built.. a orbit base.
supplies can be manufactured off planet. 'Supplies then can be transported to earth from the orbit base (drops). The need for rockets would then only be needed every few years for fresh manpower. Most of the work can be done through AI Robots, and remote-controlling robots run right from the orbit base or from earth..

Space bases can fit in rockets do to being inflatable. That is right we have structures that can be built on earth and sent up fully intact. Just needs to be blown up.

A person can go 5 years in space, as long as they maintain them self through a little bit of exerciser a day. (15 mins) Even if they do not need to, being we can remote everything from earth..
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No.. There are other methods. You thinking in a square quite flat one at that.
Rockets will only be need till a off planet base is built.. a orbit base.
supplies can be manufactured off planet. 'Supplies then can be transported to earth from the orbit base (drops). The need for rockets would then only be needed every few years for fresh manpower. Most of the work can be done through AI Robots, and remote-controlling robots run right from the orbit base or from earth..

Space bases can fit in rockets do to being inflatable. That is right we have structures that can be built on earth and sent up fully intact. Just needs to be blown up.

A person can go 5 years in space, as long as they maintain them self through a little bit of exerciser a day. (15 mins) Even if they do not need to, being we can remote everything from earth..


And the guys spending several years in space would be criminals? Slaves?

Even if you manage to find a few astronauts willing to spend several years in space, half of your crew would commit suicide after after a few years. You can't count on humans and you have to exchange crews every few months.

AI would be a possibility, but what do you do when you robot breaks down? Just a grain of dust inside the machinery, a screw loosening and your whole robot doesn't work anymore. Remember Hubble?

Space mining isn't feasable, at least not to bring anything back to Earth. You need space mining if you want to explore space, but for nothing else.
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