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I believe the next step on the Homosexual acceptance trail is Man Boy or Woman Girl relations, it may take 25 years after Homosexuality is accepted.
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I believe the next step on the Homosexual acceptance trail is Man Boy or Woman Girl relations, it may take 25 years after Homosexuality is accepted.
Homosexuals would be the biggest retards if they start to associate with groups and people trying to legalize pedophilia. They would indorse every rightwinger who ever said they want to rape little boys.
If they don't fight those pedophiles who hide among them and try to use them, then they would just help those who try to criminalize homosexuality. It would be a step backwards if the lose the sympathy of the public.
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I believe the next step on the Homosexual acceptance trail is Man Boy or Woman Girl relations, it may take 25 years after Homosexuality is accepted.
Yes, because we all know that all Homosexuals are pederast or otherwise paedophiles--just like those funny men who like to touch little 'nymphet' in their private places, those excellent representatives of the heterosexual community.
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I believe the next step on the Homosexual acceptance trail is Man Boy or Woman Girl relations, it may take 25 years after Homosexuality is accepted.
Of course that will happen, because 25 years after we allowed heterosexual marriage, we encouraged and allowed heterosexual pedophilia as well. So obviously the same thing will happen if we allow homosexual marriage.
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well, i'll kinda understand if the military will not accept gay people. No one wants a soldier who will turn into a fairy at the middle of a gun fight
Are you kidding me? Historically in many cultures around the world homosexuality was widely practiced by the warrior caste and in some like in Sparta and Japan it was highly encouraged.
Sparta? (reminded me of Meet the Spartans) Is that the reason why they wear loincloths? I know in Japan (it is not encouraged but tolerated) there is homosexuality
name me more of this countries... i'm just curious. I'm kinda laughing now (no offense) thinking if the Horeds of Genghis Khan were homos, or the army of Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin... Even the Persians of Xerxes... that would be something
Homosexuality was prominent in ancient Greece and Rome, especially among the warriors because it encouraged unity and cooperation. Soldiers were more likely to fight more competently and passionately alongside people they had romantic relationships with, since they would want to protect them. It wasn't until the rise of Christianity that homosexuality was viewed as immoral and disgusting (in western civilization at least) and the long history of the persecution of gays and certain other minority groups began.
Even today there are some pretty tough gay guys who would kick your ass if you said something like that to them, including the ones in the military. It takes balls just to sign up to be in the military and knowingly risk your life for your country, so I doubt any gay person would "turn into a fairy" if they had enough guts to sign up for it.
hey, Jews were the first one who thinks sodomy is a bad thing.
also, i still question why the old homosexual relationship in greece has to be men and young boy? In present society, we usually call the cops.
I knew hard gays do exist. I was harassed 4 times by hard gays (they look more masculine and they are bigger than me) already. It was more scarier than being mugged.
Alright, first of all the whole sodomy thing is false, "god" fired Sodomy because of people raping, stealing, and not because of homosexuality.
Second, to remind you that David had a male lover, yes his name was Jonathan, go read a little and see what David tells Jonathan. If what he tells him is no homosexual love, then I don't know what is homosexual love.
Third, I would like to talk about something called "Closeted homosexuals" you see, there are homosexuals everywhere, and in these armies that you have mentioned earlier, how do you know they weren't homosexuals ha? you didn't live there and knew everyone, now did you?
Oh and for your information, "fairies" aren't all around, the majority of homosexual men are very manly, and I bet, manlier than you, because homosexual men tend to go to the gym alot, train, eat healthy and takes care of themselves.
Now, as for the army thing, just remember that you don't need to fight a war to be "manly" or a "man". War is stupid, peace is better.
back to religion, Christianity stole some phrases from the Jewish bible (Torah) that concern homosexuals. If christianity is holding SO much hatred for homosexual behavior, then how come Jesus (which is why the new testament existed in the first place, Jesus) how come he never mentioned not even ONCE the sin of homosexuality? read the 10 commandments, do they include homosexuals? if it includes "Lying" as a sin then I'm pretty sure homosexuality should have been mentioned....because it seems like the church today treats homosexuals worst than people who lie...and I'm sure that everyone atleast lied once in their life....
lalouse, long time no see. how's my hombre?
about the story of sodomy, i don't have a complete and concrete history about it but it seems people practice it not out of "love". It is usually for carnal reason.
about David and Jonathan, please do not mistaken bromance from homosexuality. If the case is what you said, ALL male friendship would be placed in question. It's like all genre would be yaoi. Me and my buddy would be branded as homosexual if David and Jonathan would be gay. Frodo and Sam (from Lord of the Rings) would be gay. Captain Kirk and Dr. Spock would be gay. Bromance and homosexuality is a different.
about gay people demography, i'm not an expert with that so i'll leave that.
about men going to war to be manly, it depends (usually, countries with tribal origin) and yeah. Going to war doesn't make you real men. Even kids can fight.
Christians doesn't hate gay people. They hate what they do.
actually, we don't stole the Jewish Bible. We use it as reference (they have the prophesy, which reflects in the New Testament).
Anyway, Jesus did mentioned that homosexuality is not accepted. He mentioned what is right. "And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ “and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’” (Matt. 19:4.)"
Beyond a male-female sexual relationship is perversion. The Apostle Paul made it clear that perversion is not good, " Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."
well, let us drop the religious topic. it kinda make people here defensive
Alright  your putting things together....alright sodomy we left now as for David and Jonathan, back at the time, real close friends (male friends) had oral sex between them =) that's a fact. David and Jonathan were more than "friends" NOW, kings also unsed to have male lovers, it was a common practice, but not anal sex...anal sex was considered to be a crime against the law...so men only had oral sex back then....and I think oral sex between 2 men is a homosexual act :P
NOW I don't care what christians love and what they hate because christianity wasn't even supposed to be religion, Jesus came to spread the word of peace, not to make a new religion.
Now, stole yea christians stole stuff from the jews, the jews stole from the egyptians, and so on...every religion takes certain things from a previous religion. If christians wanna use a sentence that is mentioned in the Jewish bible, then why don't they just remain jewish and believe in the existence of Jesus? ha? :P
Now, jesus didn't mention homosexuality just because he said what you quoted, because he also said
"Because of your hardness of heart, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way.
"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
The disciples said to him, "If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry"
But He said to them, "Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given.
"For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it." (Matt 19: 8-12)
Yes, you heard me right Not all men are born to be married....some of them aren't meant to get married, and why? ask your self
I'll say it again jesus never mentioned homosexuals.
ohh
sorry, lalouse. I'll be a little resistant to your post because a.) I haven't read anything about David and Jonathan doing oral sex b.) I haven't read any historical text that homosexuality is practice by kings.
In the past and it is still practiced in asia (even in my province), there is such a thing called "sworn brother". It is calling a male friend brother even if he is not blood related. Usually it is done with an oath or ceremonial ritual but saying to them, " You are a brother to me." is good enough. (side note: south east asia use blood compact for things like this)
well, i would like to correct some things about your concept about Jesus and religion plus the sacred text but I have to drop it. It would make people uncomfortable here.
Anyway, eunuchs are males who swore celibacy (for a certain cause like religion and job) meaning abstaining from sex. It is not about waiving their right to have a woman as wife and substitute a male as a partner.
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I believe the next step on the Homosexual acceptance trail is Man Boy or Woman Girl relations, it may take 25 years after Homosexuality is accepted.
Of course that will happen, because 25 years after we allowed heterosexual marriage, we encouraged and allowed heterosexual pedophilia as well. So obviously the same thing will happen if we allow homosexual marriage.
what country that allows heterosexual pedophilia?
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well, i'll kinda understand if the military will not accept gay people. No one wants a soldier who will turn into a fairy at the middle of a gun fight
Are you kidding me? Historically in many cultures around the world homosexuality was widely practiced by the warrior caste and in some like in Sparta and Japan it was highly encouraged.
Sparta? (reminded me of Meet the Spartans) Is that the reason why they wear loincloths? I know in Japan (it is not encouraged but tolerated) there is homosexuality
name me more of this countries... i'm just curious. I'm kinda laughing now (no offense) thinking if the Horeds of Genghis Khan were homos, or the army of Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin... Even the Persians of Xerxes... that would be something
Homosexuality was prominent in ancient Greece and Rome, especially among the warriors because it encouraged unity and cooperation. Soldiers were more likely to fight more competently and passionately alongside people they had romantic relationships with, since they would want to protect them. It wasn't until the rise of Christianity that homosexuality was viewed as immoral and disgusting (in western civilization at least) and the long history of the persecution of gays and certain other minority groups began.
Even today there are some pretty tough gay guys who would kick your ass if you said something like that to them, including the ones in the military. It takes balls just to sign up to be in the military and knowingly risk your life for your country, so I doubt any gay person would "turn into a fairy" if they had enough guts to sign up for it.
hey, Jews were the first one who thinks sodomy is a bad thing.
also, i still question why the old homosexual relationship in greece has to be men and young boy? In present society, we usually call the cops.
I knew hard gays do exist. I was harassed 4 times by hard gays (they look more masculine and they are bigger than me) already. It was more scarier than being mugged.
Alright, first of all the whole sodomy thing is false, "god" fired Sodomy because of people raping, stealing, and not because of homosexuality.
Second, to remind you that David had a male lover, yes his name was Jonathan, go read a little and see what David tells Jonathan. If what he tells him is no homosexual love, then I don't know what is homosexual love.
Third, I would like to talk about something called "Closeted homosexuals" you see, there are homosexuals everywhere, and in these armies that you have mentioned earlier, how do you know they weren't homosexuals ha? you didn't live there and knew everyone, now did you?
Oh and for your information, "fairies" aren't all around, the majority of homosexual men are very manly, and I bet, manlier than you, because homosexual men tend to go to the gym alot, train, eat healthy and takes care of themselves.
Now, as for the army thing, just remember that you don't need to fight a war to be "manly" or a "man". War is stupid, peace is better.
back to religion, Christianity stole some phrases from the Jewish bible (Torah) that concern homosexuals. If christianity is holding SO much hatred for homosexual behavior, then how come Jesus (which is why the new testament existed in the first place, Jesus) how come he never mentioned not even ONCE the sin of homosexuality? read the 10 commandments, do they include homosexuals? if it includes "Lying" as a sin then I'm pretty sure homosexuality should have been mentioned....because it seems like the church today treats homosexuals worst than people who lie...and I'm sure that everyone atleast lied once in their life....
lalouse, long time no see. how's my hombre?
about the story of sodomy, i don't have a complete and concrete history about it but it seems people practice it not out of "love". It is usually for carnal reason.
about David and Jonathan, please do not mistaken bromance from homosexuality. If the case is what you said, ALL male friendship would be placed in question. It's like all genre would be yaoi. Me and my buddy would be branded as homosexual if David and Jonathan would be gay. Frodo and Sam (from Lord of the Rings) would be gay. Captain Kirk and Dr. Spock would be gay. Bromance and homosexuality is a different.
about gay people demography, i'm not an expert with that so i'll leave that.
about men going to war to be manly, it depends (usually, countries with tribal origin) and yeah. Going to war doesn't make you real men. Even kids can fight.
Christians doesn't hate gay people. They hate what they do.
actually, we don't stole the Jewish Bible. We use it as reference (they have the prophesy, which reflects in the New Testament).
Anyway, Jesus did mentioned that homosexuality is not accepted. He mentioned what is right. "And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ “and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’” (Matt. 19:4.)"
Beyond a male-female sexual relationship is perversion. The Apostle Paul made it clear that perversion is not good, " Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."
well, let us drop the religious topic. it kinda make people here defensive
Alright your putting things together....alright sodomy we left now as for David and Jonathan, back at the time, real close friends (male friends) had oral sex between them =) that's a fact. David and Jonathan were more than "friends" NOW, kings also unsed to have male lovers, it was a common practice, but not anal sex...anal sex was considered to be a crime against the law...so men only had oral sex back then....and I think oral sex between 2 men is a homosexual act :P
NOW I don't care what christians love and what they hate because christianity wasn't even supposed to be religion, Jesus came to spread the word of peace, not to make a new religion.
Now, stole yea christians stole stuff from the jews, the jews stole from the egyptians, and so on...every religion takes certain things from a previous religion. If christians wanna use a sentence that is mentioned in the Jewish bible, then why don't they just remain jewish and believe in the existence of Jesus? ha? :P
Now, jesus didn't mention homosexuality just because he said what you quoted, because he also said
"Because of your hardness of heart, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way.
"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
The disciples said to him, "If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry"
But He said to them, "Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given.
"For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it." (Matt 19: 8-12)
Yes, you heard me right Not all men are born to be married....some of them aren't meant to get married, and why? ask your self
I'll say it again jesus never mentioned homosexuals.
ohh
sorry, lalouse. I'll be a little resistant to your post because a.) I haven't read anything about David and Jonathan doing oral sex b.) I haven't read any historical text that homosexuality is practice by kings.
In the past and it is still practiced in asia (even in my province), there is such a thing called "sworn brother". It is calling a male friend brother even if he is not blood related. Usually it is done with an oath or ceremonial ritual but saying to them, " You are a brother to me." is good enough. (side note: south east asia use blood compact for things like this)
well, i would like to correct some things about your concept about Jesus and religion plus the sacred text but I have to drop it. It would make people uncomfortable here.
Anyway, eunuchs are males who swore celibacy (for a certain cause like religion and job) meaning abstaining from sex. It is not about waiving their right to have a woman as wife and substitute a male as a partner.
Not my fault you didn't do your homework.
Go do some research and correct what you just said...you made no sense.
1 Samuel 20:41 "After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with is face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together - but David wept the most."
2 Samuel 1:26
"I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women."
1 Samuel 18:3-4
"And Jonathan made a covenant with David because he loved him as himself. Jonathan took off the robe he was wearing and gave it to David, along with his tunic, and even his sword, his bow and his belt."
Since people in those days did not wear underwear, Jonathan stripped himself naked in front of David. That would be considered extremely unusual behavior (then and now) unless their relationship was sexual in nature.
1 Samuel 18:2
"From that day, Saul kept David with him and did not let him return to his father's house."
David left his parent's home and moved to Saul's where he would be with Jonathan. This is a strong indication that the relationship was extremely close. It echoes the passage marriage passage in Genesis 2:24: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."
Is that enough?...David was a king himself, that's 1 king who had homosexual lovers.
You also have Alexander the great with Hephaestion his homosexual lover
You also got the King James of england, oh and let's not forget about some genius people including William shakespears and Leonardo de vinci, and many many more.....
As for the eunuchs your pretty much wrong, read the quote of jesus again, he said "some are born like that from their MOTHERS WOMB, and some of them are made like that from other men".....it's so clear yet you keep hiding it with your none sense and ignorance.
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Roman Emperors Hadrian, Commodus, Elagabalus and even Julius Caesar.
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I was using sarcasm to point out the fault in the slippery slope idea that allowing homosexual marriages= allowing homosexual pedophilia. If it were true the heterosexual pedophilia would be acceptable since heterosexual marriage is acceptable.
Although ancient Greece, Rome, and Japan had no problems with pedophilia, and some cultures today still allow older men to have 13 year-old wives.
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well, i'll kinda understand if the military will not accept gay people. No one wants a soldier who will turn into a fairy at the middle of a gun fight
Are you kidding me? Historically in many cultures around the world homosexuality was widely practiced by the warrior caste and in some like in Sparta and Japan it was highly encouraged.
Sparta? (reminded me of Meet the Spartans) Is that the reason why they wear loincloths? I know in Japan (it is not encouraged but tolerated) there is homosexuality
name me more of this countries... i'm just curious. I'm kinda laughing now (no offense) thinking if the Horeds of Genghis Khan were homos, or the army of Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin... Even the Persians of Xerxes... that would be something
Homosexuality was prominent in ancient Greece and Rome, especially among the warriors because it encouraged unity and cooperation. Soldiers were more likely to fight more competently and passionately alongside people they had romantic relationships with, since they would want to protect them. It wasn't until the rise of Christianity that homosexuality was viewed as immoral and disgusting (in western civilization at least) and the long history of the persecution of gays and certain other minority groups began.
Even today there are some pretty tough gay guys who would kick your ass if you said something like that to them, including the ones in the military. It takes balls just to sign up to be in the military and knowingly risk your life for your country, so I doubt any gay person would "turn into a fairy" if they had enough guts to sign up for it.
hey, Jews were the first one who thinks sodomy is a bad thing.
also, i still question why the old homosexual relationship in greece has to be men and young boy? In present society, we usually call the cops.
I knew hard gays do exist. I was harassed 4 times by hard gays (they look more masculine and they are bigger than me) already. It was more scarier than being mugged.
Alright, first of all the whole sodomy thing is false, "god" fired Sodomy because of people raping, stealing, and not because of homosexuality.
Second, to remind you that David had a male lover, yes his name was Jonathan, go read a little and see what David tells Jonathan. If what he tells him is no homosexual love, then I don't know what is homosexual love.
Third, I would like to talk about something called "Closeted homosexuals" you see, there are homosexuals everywhere, and in these armies that you have mentioned earlier, how do you know they weren't homosexuals ha? you didn't live there and knew everyone, now did you?
Oh and for your information, "fairies" aren't all around, the majority of homosexual men are very manly, and I bet, manlier than you, because homosexual men tend to go to the gym alot, train, eat healthy and takes care of themselves.
Now, as for the army thing, just remember that you don't need to fight a war to be "manly" or a "man". War is stupid, peace is better.
back to religion, Christianity stole some phrases from the Jewish bible (Torah) that concern homosexuals. If christianity is holding SO much hatred for homosexual behavior, then how come Jesus (which is why the new testament existed in the first place, Jesus) how come he never mentioned not even ONCE the sin of homosexuality? read the 10 commandments, do they include homosexuals? if it includes "Lying" as a sin then I'm pretty sure homosexuality should have been mentioned....because it seems like the church today treats homosexuals worst than people who lie...and I'm sure that everyone atleast lied once in their life....
lalouse, long time no see. how's my hombre?
about the story of sodomy, i don't have a complete and concrete history about it but it seems people practice it not out of "love". It is usually for carnal reason.
about David and Jonathan, please do not mistaken bromance from homosexuality. If the case is what you said, ALL male friendship would be placed in question. It's like all genre would be yaoi. Me and my buddy would be branded as homosexual if David and Jonathan would be gay. Frodo and Sam (from Lord of the Rings) would be gay. Captain Kirk and Dr. Spock would be gay. Bromance and homosexuality is a different.
about gay people demography, i'm not an expert with that so i'll leave that.
about men going to war to be manly, it depends (usually, countries with tribal origin) and yeah. Going to war doesn't make you real men. Even kids can fight.
Christians doesn't hate gay people. They hate what they do.
actually, we don't stole the Jewish Bible. We use it as reference (they have the prophesy, which reflects in the New Testament).
Anyway, Jesus did mentioned that homosexuality is not accepted. He mentioned what is right. "And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ “and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’” (Matt. 19:4.)"
Beyond a male-female sexual relationship is perversion. The Apostle Paul made it clear that perversion is not good, " Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."
well, let us drop the religious topic. it kinda make people here defensive
Alright your putting things together....alright sodomy we left now as for David and Jonathan, back at the time, real close friends (male friends) had oral sex between them =) that's a fact. David and Jonathan were more than "friends" NOW, kings also unsed to have male lovers, it was a common practice, but not anal sex...anal sex was considered to be a crime against the law...so men only had oral sex back then....and I think oral sex between 2 men is a homosexual act :P
NOW I don't care what christians love and what they hate because christianity wasn't even supposed to be religion, Jesus came to spread the word of peace, not to make a new religion.
Now, stole yea christians stole stuff from the jews, the jews stole from the egyptians, and so on...every religion takes certain things from a previous religion. If christians wanna use a sentence that is mentioned in the Jewish bible, then why don't they just remain jewish and believe in the existence of Jesus? ha? :P
Now, jesus didn't mention homosexuality just because he said what you quoted, because he also said
"Because of your hardness of heart, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way.
"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
The disciples said to him, "If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry"
But He said to them, "Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given.
"For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it." (Matt 19: 8-12)
Yes, you heard me right Not all men are born to be married....some of them aren't meant to get married, and why? ask your self
I'll say it again jesus never mentioned homosexuals.
ohh
sorry, lalouse. I'll be a little resistant to your post because a.) I haven't read anything about David and Jonathan doing oral sex b.) I haven't read any historical text that homosexuality is practice by kings.
In the past and it is still practiced in asia (even in my province), there is such a thing called "sworn brother". It is calling a male friend brother even if he is not blood related. Usually it is done with an oath or ceremonial ritual but saying to them, " You are a brother to me." is good enough. (side note: south east asia use blood compact for things like this)
well, i would like to correct some things about your concept about Jesus and religion plus the sacred text but I have to drop it. It would make people uncomfortable here.
Anyway, eunuchs are males who swore celibacy (for a certain cause like religion and job) meaning abstaining from sex. It is not about waiving their right to have a woman as wife and substitute a male as a partner.
Not my fault you didn't do your homework.
Go do some research and correct what you just said...you made no sense.
1 Samuel 20:41 "After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with is face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together - but David wept the most."
2 Samuel 1:26
"I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women."
1 Samuel 18:3-4
"And Jonathan made a covenant with David because he loved him as himself. Jonathan took off the robe he was wearing and gave it to David, along with his tunic, and even his sword, his bow and his belt."
Since people in those days did not wear underwear, Jonathan stripped himself naked in front of David. That would be considered extremely unusual behavior (then and now) unless their relationship was sexual in nature.
1 Samuel 18:2
"From that day, Saul kept David with him and did not let him return to his father's house."
David left his parent's home and moved to Saul's where he would be with Jonathan. This is a strong indication that the relationship was extremely close. It echoes the passage marriage passage in Genesis 2:24: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."
Is that enough?...David was a king himself, that's 1 king who had homosexual lovers.
You also have Alexander the great with Hephaestion his homosexual lover
You also got the King James of england, oh and let's not forget about some genius people including William shakespears and Leonardo de vinci, and many many more.....
As for the eunuchs your pretty much wrong, read the quote of jesus again, he said "some are born like that from their MOTHERS WOMB, and some of them are made like that from other men".....it's so clear yet you keep hiding it with your none sense and ignorance.
1 Samuel 20:41 "After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with is face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together - but David wept the most."
Do understand that you are talking about Middle Eastern people here. They greet with a kiss, tough people make fun of it and call it gay.
And crying doesn't make a man a lesser man.
2 Samuel 1:26
"I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women."
There is really such thing that is called "sworn brothers". That is what David and Jonathan have. So those who practice "bros before hoes" are gay people?
1 Samuel 18:3-4
"And Jonathan made a covenant with David because he loved him as himself. Jonathan took off the robe he was wearing and gave it to David, along with his tunic, and even his sword, his bow and his belt."
The exchange of personal belongings is just part of the practice (in sworn brotherhood. Try watching Mischievous Princess and try reading about brother hood with this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_brother ). These practice may be slowly disappearing since the younger generation are not into old culture anymore but there is such thing.
Since you mentioned getting naked in front of other men, err, that made me question my dormitory days- "was it gay that my classmates showered at the same time with me?" y'know dormitories, they have a huge shower room. Of course, playing around with other dudes naked is a different story.
1 Samuel 18:2
"From that day, Saul kept David with him and did not let him return to his father's house."
they are not married and a man cannot never be called a wife (since you used Gensis).
about the eunuch, why call me non sense and ignorant when dictionaries and encyclopedia doesn't describe Eunuchs as homosexual people? If you know what eunuch means, you'll understand what Jesus said.
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well, i'll kinda understand if the military will not accept gay people. No one wants a soldier who will turn into a fairy at the middle of a gun fight
Are you kidding me? Historically in many cultures around the world homosexuality was widely practiced by the warrior caste and in some like in Sparta and Japan it was highly encouraged.
Sparta? (reminded me of Meet the Spartans) Is that the reason why they wear loincloths? I know in Japan (it is not encouraged but tolerated) there is homosexuality
name me more of this countries... i'm just curious. I'm kinda laughing now (no offense) thinking if the Horeds of Genghis Khan were homos, or the army of Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin... Even the Persians of Xerxes... that would be something
Homosexuality was prominent in ancient Greece and Rome, especially among the warriors because it encouraged unity and cooperation. Soldiers were more likely to fight more competently and passionately alongside people they had romantic relationships with, since they would want to protect them. It wasn't until the rise of Christianity that homosexuality was viewed as immoral and disgusting (in western civilization at least) and the long history of the persecution of gays and certain other minority groups began.
Even today there are some pretty tough gay guys who would kick your ass if you said something like that to them, including the ones in the military. It takes balls just to sign up to be in the military and knowingly risk your life for your country, so I doubt any gay person would "turn into a fairy" if they had enough guts to sign up for it.
hey, Jews were the first one who thinks sodomy is a bad thing.
also, i still question why the old homosexual relationship in greece has to be men and young boy? In present society, we usually call the cops.
I knew hard gays do exist. I was harassed 4 times by hard gays (they look more masculine and they are bigger than me) already. It was more scarier than being mugged.
Alright, first of all the whole sodomy thing is false, "god" fired Sodomy because of people raping, stealing, and not because of homosexuality.
Second, to remind you that David had a male lover, yes his name was Jonathan, go read a little and see what David tells Jonathan. If what he tells him is no homosexual love, then I don't know what is homosexual love.
Third, I would like to talk about something called "Closeted homosexuals" you see, there are homosexuals everywhere, and in these armies that you have mentioned earlier, how do you know they weren't homosexuals ha? you didn't live there and knew everyone, now did you?
Oh and for your information, "fairies" aren't all around, the majority of homosexual men are very manly, and I bet, manlier than you, because homosexual men tend to go to the gym alot, train, eat healthy and takes care of themselves.
Now, as for the army thing, just remember that you don't need to fight a war to be "manly" or a "man". War is stupid, peace is better.
back to religion, Christianity stole some phrases from the Jewish bible (Torah) that concern homosexuals. If christianity is holding SO much hatred for homosexual behavior, then how come Jesus (which is why the new testament existed in the first place, Jesus) how come he never mentioned not even ONCE the sin of homosexuality? read the 10 commandments, do they include homosexuals? if it includes "Lying" as a sin then I'm pretty sure homosexuality should have been mentioned....because it seems like the church today treats homosexuals worst than people who lie...and I'm sure that everyone atleast lied once in their life....
lalouse, long time no see. how's my hombre?
about the story of sodomy, i don't have a complete and concrete history about it but it seems people practice it not out of "love". It is usually for carnal reason.
about David and Jonathan, please do not mistaken bromance from homosexuality. If the case is what you said, ALL male friendship would be placed in question. It's like all genre would be yaoi. Me and my buddy would be branded as homosexual if David and Jonathan would be gay. Frodo and Sam (from Lord of the Rings) would be gay. Captain Kirk and Dr. Spock would be gay. Bromance and homosexuality is a different.
about gay people demography, i'm not an expert with that so i'll leave that.
about men going to war to be manly, it depends (usually, countries with tribal origin) and yeah. Going to war doesn't make you real men. Even kids can fight.
Christians doesn't hate gay people. They hate what they do.
actually, we don't stole the Jewish Bible. We use it as reference (they have the prophesy, which reflects in the New Testament).
Anyway, Jesus did mentioned that homosexuality is not accepted. He mentioned what is right. "And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ “and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’” (Matt. 19:4.)"
Beyond a male-female sexual relationship is perversion. The Apostle Paul made it clear that perversion is not good, " Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."
well, let us drop the religious topic. it kinda make people here defensive
Alright your putting things together....alright sodomy we left now as for David and Jonathan, back at the time, real close friends (male friends) had oral sex between them =) that's a fact. David and Jonathan were more than "friends" NOW, kings also unsed to have male lovers, it was a common practice, but not anal sex...anal sex was considered to be a crime against the law...so men only had oral sex back then....and I think oral sex between 2 men is a homosexual act :P
NOW I don't care what christians love and what they hate because christianity wasn't even supposed to be religion, Jesus came to spread the word of peace, not to make a new religion.
Now, stole yea christians stole stuff from the jews, the jews stole from the egyptians, and so on...every religion takes certain things from a previous religion. If christians wanna use a sentence that is mentioned in the Jewish bible, then why don't they just remain jewish and believe in the existence of Jesus? ha? :P
Now, jesus didn't mention homosexuality just because he said what you quoted, because he also said
"Because of your hardness of heart, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way.
"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
The disciples said to him, "If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry"
But He said to them, "Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given.
"For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it." (Matt 19: 8-12)
Yes, you heard me right Not all men are born to be married....some of them aren't meant to get married, and why? ask your self
I'll say it again jesus never mentioned homosexuals.
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sorry, lalouse. I'll be a little resistant to your post because a.) I haven't read anything about David and Jonathan doing oral sex b.) I haven't read any historical text that homosexuality is practice by kings.
In the past and it is still practiced in asia (even in my province), there is such a thing called "sworn brother". It is calling a male friend brother even if he is not blood related. Usually it is done with an oath or ceremonial ritual but saying to them, " You are a brother to me." is good enough. (side note: south east asia use blood compact for things like this)
well, i would like to correct some things about your concept about Jesus and religion plus the sacred text but I have to drop it. It would make people uncomfortable here.
Anyway, eunuchs are males who swore celibacy (for a certain cause like religion and job) meaning abstaining from sex. It is not about waiving their right to have a woman as wife and substitute a male as a partner.
Not my fault you didn't do your homework.
Go do some research and correct what you just said...you made no sense.
1 Samuel 20:41 "After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with is face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together - but David wept the most."
2 Samuel 1:26
"I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women."
1 Samuel 18:3-4
"And Jonathan made a covenant with David because he loved him as himself. Jonathan took off the robe he was wearing and gave it to David, along with his tunic, and even his sword, his bow and his belt."
Since people in those days did not wear underwear, Jonathan stripped himself naked in front of David. That would be considered extremely unusual behavior (then and now) unless their relationship was sexual in nature.
1 Samuel 18:2
"From that day, Saul kept David with him and did not let him return to his father's house."
David left his parent's home and moved to Saul's where he would be with Jonathan. This is a strong indication that the relationship was extremely close. It echoes the passage marriage passage in Genesis 2:24: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."
Is that enough?...David was a king himself, that's 1 king who had homosexual lovers.
You also have Alexander the great with Hephaestion his homosexual lover
You also got the King James of england, oh and let's not forget about some genius people including William shakespears and Leonardo de vinci, and many many more.....
As for the eunuchs your pretty much wrong, read the quote of jesus again, he said "some are born like that from their MOTHERS WOMB, and some of them are made like that from other men".....it's so clear yet you keep hiding it with your none sense and ignorance.
1 Samuel 20:41 "After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with is face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together - but David wept the most."
Do understand that you are talking about Middle Eastern people here. They greet with a kiss, tough people make fun of it and call it gay.
And crying doesn't make a man a lesser man.
2 Samuel 1:26
"I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women."
There is really such thing that is called "sworn brothers". That is what David and Jonathan have. So those who practice "bros before hoes" are gay people?
1 Samuel 18:3-4
"And Jonathan made a covenant with David because he loved him as himself. Jonathan took off the robe he was wearing and gave it to David, along with his tunic, and even his sword, his bow and his belt."
The exchange of personal belongings is just part of the practice (in sworn brotherhood. Try watching Mischievous Princess and try reading about brother hood with this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_brother ). These practice may be slowly disappearing since the younger generation are not into old culture anymore but there is such thing.
Since you mentioned getting naked in front of other men, err, that made me question my dormitory days- "was it gay that my classmates showered at the same time with me?" y'know dormitories, they have a huge shower room. Of course, playing around with other dudes naked is a different story.
1 Samuel 18:2
"From that day, Saul kept David with him and did not let him return to his father's house."
they are not married and a man cannot never be called a wife (since you used Gensis).
about the eunuch, why call me non sense and ignorant when dictionaries and encyclopedia doesn't describe Eunuchs as homosexual people? If you know what eunuch means, you'll understand what Jesus said.
Wow, you make up things of your own......
kissing as greeting came from Europe not middle eastern people!
and in ancient times men didn't shower together unless they had sexual meaning behind it! were not talking about today's showering!
You go back to that brother hood crap, it existed maybe in Asia, but not in Egypt and Syria and Israel and the middle eastern culture...you put things in the wrong places.
As for the eunuchs your talking about the modern encyclopedia and what the word means today, in ancient times the word homosexual didn't exist, so you need to take the religious meaning of it! GOSH stop making things up and mixing them together! your putting the Asian culture together with the middle eastern...."brotherhood" didn't exist to the middle eastern men, touching a man or bathing with a man or taking your clothes off in a man's house infront of a man was considered to be sexual.....a man was only to be seen naked infront of his wife's eyes.
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What i don't get is why Christians just can't leave gay people alone. If you think that it's a sin, fine, but don't go affecting their rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If there was a true separation of church and state, like there should be, this wouldn't even be an issue, but because Christians wanna bring religion into the government, which was exactly what the Taliban were,( remember them? the guys who we are at war with, the ones who harbored Osama, and people want a government like that) people gotta suffer.
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What i don't get is why Christians just can't leave gay people alone. If you think that it's a sin, fine, but don't go affecting their rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If there was a true separation of church and state, like there should be, this wouldn't even be an issue, but because Christians wanna bring religion into the government, which was exactly what the Taliban were,( remember them? the guys who we are at war with, the ones who harbored Osama, and people want a government like that) people gotta suffer.
The problems with gay people nowadays is that they are also doing what Christians once doing to them before. Instead they force their ideal of homosexuality to others and worse through peer pressure and sometimes through force. If they think a person is hiding his/her sexuality they will persecute him/her. They will victimize the young and turn them into their kind. You people don't realize that these homosexuals too are also promoting a religion of their own.
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pcekeep wrote:
The problems with gay people nowadays is that they are also doing what Christians once doing to them before. Instead they force their ideal of homosexuality to others and worse through peer pressure and sometimes through force. If they think a person is hiding his/her sexuality they will persecute him/her. They will victimize the young and turn them into their kind. You people don't realize that these homosexuals too are also promoting a religion of their own.
I guess the most of that comment is just trolling, but that much is true. It's really annoying that some people honestly won't accept that not everyone is bisexual.
It's not even meant as a joke. It's the same when feminists declare all men enemies of women or can't accept that most women like the thought of becoming a wife and mother.
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unLUCKeCHARMS wrote:
What i don't get is why Christians just can't leave gay people alone. If you think that it's a sin, fine, but don't go affecting their rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If there was a true separation of church and state, like there should be, this wouldn't even be an issue, but because Christians wanna bring religion into the government, which was exactly what the Taliban were,( remember them? the guys who we are at war with, the ones who harbored Osama, and people want a government like that) people gotta suffer.
CHristians leaves them alone (unless the gay person is a Christian, we care) but we get uncomfortable if they say the Bible sanctions it.
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