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For those of you who don't understand how Yuzuru appears last when Kanade appeared first, go back to ep 12. They said something about a bug in a system that allows someone into the afterlife without a memory. No going into detail on what I think unless you want me too. :)

Hint: Heart.
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I liked and disliked the ending.
I cried when Ayato was about to leave and during the graduation ceremony.

The thing I dislike is how the rest of the SSS disappears off-screen. We don't hear about any of their pasts, especially TK's. I want an ova to do that. That and the lives now.
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It was good twist to the ending. That his heart was hers or is it her heart was his?
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Quatico1Lakerunner wrote:

It was good twist to the ending. That his heart was hers or is it her heart was his?


She got his heart after Yuzuru's death. Remember that donation card he filled out before his death? Another touching moments. ;o;
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I wanted to cry at first, but then after the credits with the photograph you see that its really alright.
Making this ending for me good, all in all i enjoyed this show very much.
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It was killer. I was so disappointed that he was alone until I saw that. Now we need an OVA showing their meeting!




alox wrote:

I wanted to cry at first, but then after the credits with the photograph you see that its really alright.
Making this ending for me good, all in all i enjoyed this show very much.


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My guess is he was "the programmer". The guy in the computer room said the bug would allow someone in who wasn't supposed to be there and he also said there was only one real person/bug among the NPC's.. the programmer. He could have only said that about "the programmer" and Otonoshi because they were the only ones said to be there without regrets. So either there were two "bugs" or Oto was the programmer.

The programmer would have been there before Kanade but wouldn't have known it. Otonoshi awoke with no memory in the school's uniform in the middle of the street. I think the program had just been able to wake him out of "NPC mode" and he sort of rebooted while going about his NPC business.

Lemme hear your theory!



SoraKogeki wrote:

For those of you who don't understand how Yuzuru appears last when Kanade appeared first, go back to ep 12. They said something about a bug in a system that allows someone into the afterlife without a memory. No going into detail on what I think unless you want me too. :)

Hint: Heart.


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My guess is he was "the programmer". The guy in the computer room said the bug would allow someone in who wasn't supposed to be there and he also said there was only one real person/bug among the NPC's.. the programmer. He could have only said that about "the programmer" and Otonoshi because they were the only ones said to be there without regrets. So either there were two "bugs" or Oto was the programmer.

The programmer would have been there before Kanade but wouldn't have known it. Otonoshi awoke with no memory in the school's uniform in the middle of the street. I think the program had just been able to wake him out of "NPC mode" and he sort of rebooted while going about his NPC business.

Lemme hear your theory!



SoraKogeki wrote:

For those of you who don't understand how Yuzuru appears last when Kanade appeared first, go back to ep 12. They said something about a bug in a system that allows someone into the afterlife without a memory. No going into detail on what I think unless you want me too. :)

Hint: Heart.




I sure like the theory. However wouldnt that imply that Otanoshi was in the world before and made the whole program?
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Athan05 wrote:

My guess is he was "the programmer". The guy in the computer room said the bug would allow someone in who wasn't supposed to be there and he also said there was only one real person/bug among the NPC's.. the programmer. He could have only said that about "the programmer" and Otonoshi because they were the only ones said to be there without regrets. So either there were two "bugs" or Oto was the programmer.

The programmer would have been there before Kanade but wouldn't have known it. Otonoshi awoke with no memory in the school's uniform in the middle of the street. I think the program had just been able to wake him out of "NPC mode" and he sort of rebooted while going about his NPC business.

Lemme hear your theory!



I sure like the theory. However wouldnt that imply that Otanoshi was in the world before and made the whole program?


Yes, I'm saying I think he's been there ever since he died/his heart was put in Kanade. He just doesn't know it. The others didn't notice either because they don't pay any attention to the NPCs or interact with them from fear of disappearing so they assumed he had just died.

He started his program and it wiped him and placed him in with the NPCs just like it was doing to Yuri. She was only saved because they showed up and pulled her back out of the shadow creature so him being under for long time would explain his amnesia. Either the program detected Kanade and decided to wake him or maybe some incidental contact with Kanade as class president started bringing back his memories.

One of my other guesses is that maybe when Otonoshi died Kanade "died on the table" too. With the screwy way time acts in the afterlife world perhaps they fell in love at that time and the reason she was taken away is because she was revived in the real world. Otonoshi couldn't follow at that time because she would be whatever age she was but not having a body to return to he would reincarnate as a baby.

That would set him up to wait and become the programmer hoping she would return. That's the only way I can explain the sudden confession at the end. He seemed to like Kanade but there had been no indication of romance. I thought he was just as close or closer to Yuri after she told him her story.

In fact Kanade said her "regret" was not being able to say thank you, but, if that's the case why did she make him tell her he loved her again before she could disappear? Even stranger, after making him say it multiple times all she says is thank you. Don't know about you but I think that'd upset me a bit unless I somehow already knew she loved me.

I'm probably thinking about it too much. Eh, I really liked the show and it looks even better to me looking back from the last episode.
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Your explanation for your first point is fine with me. That certainly sounds like it coulda happened. Your 2nd guess....well...I guess it coulda happened....just that I would never have thought Kanade was in the afterlife....got rezzed into the real world...then got back into the afterlife again. But hey i dont know.

And Kanade's regret thing. She mighta wanted him to say it to her since they were both gona dissapear and they didnt know if they were going to see each other again. But yes I do agree how it was strange how Kanade didnt say anything that would indicate that she was feeling the same way about Otanoshi. But hey who knows.

At this point in time. I think any guess on what happened in this show is worth while xD
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I guess I can provide my observation. This is how it goes...

Otonashi was the programmer and Kanade was with him when they first appeared together. Because Otonashi have already fulfill his life, he don't remember his previous life. At that time, the two met and fell in love but Kanade disappeared. My theory, Kanade was temporary dead when she got a heart transplant with Otonashi's heart. Hoping for her return, he place himself as a NPC, created a timer for him to reawaken when Kanade return, and reboot the world. Time passed and Kanade reappears but Otonashi wasn't reawaken yet. Kanade wonders aimlessly, searching for something she is missing and forgets after a long period of time. I think timer wasn't really accurate and reawaken him longer than expected. And now, you know the rest of the story.

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Man....I never even guessed who the Programmer was till I read other peoples post. Cant believe I didnt figure that one out myself. gotta rewatch episode 12.
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To people who are wondering about the rushed plot, the author said in an interview that the story was too big to be fit into a 13 episode anime, so they had to cut out a lot of the story parts and only include the main bits in the anime. So the author urged fans to check out other forms of media of the franchise such as manga, books, etc to know the entire story. I am assuming stuff like the other member's pasts are probably covered in there who disappeared off screen, I would personally like to know TK's, he was very interesting.

The last bit about Kanade and Yuzuru's relationship was the best part of the anime imo, it really defined the whole anime for me.

On a separate note, did anyone else find Yurippe to be a more watered down version of Haruhi? Heck, even their uniforms looked similar lol.
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Angel Beats was really great larhs the last so touching after all the problems and fighting it ended so quickly but every moment left in theirs hearts was really sad the last par. I hope there will be Angel Beats second season that will be really great.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Time is weird in the after life....

If otonashi showed up last... how did and how long was Kaneade's life after getting his heart. or did otonashi stay lost in the general afterlife for a real long time.... before finding his way to Kaneade.


A good point, as she was there well before him. I get the impression that the school was more of a gathering place outside of time.


Regarding her comment about him not having a heart, if their afterlife bodies were affected by what happened to them after they died, wouldn't they all look more like decaying zombies?

Even if one argued that he was just brain dead, and his body was still alive when the heart was removed for transplant, this would mean anything that happened before the person died would affect their afterlife body, which would mean anyone that died a violent death would bear the results of that in the afterlife.

It looks like this is a significant plot hole.


that's not quite true

what about Yui and Iwasawa? didn't they each suffer some type of injury that left them stuck in bed for the remainer of their lives? wouldn't that carry over?

my thoughts on how kanade got there first is that this is similar to the sci-fi series pilot called Riverworld, people who died ended up in Riverworld but the people were from different time periods past, present, and future so it would make sense that the afterlife exists on a plain free from the concept of time

i think this was the creator of angel beats' way of saying that a piece of Otonashi's soul resides in Kanade that's why he doesn't have a heart then again if he's a donor then how many other organs is he missing?
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