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In lieu of starting yet another religion flame thread. I'll touch on yet another touchy subject. Corporations

What's the problem with them. I keep hearing about how evil they are, but I don't get it. Why ?
I've heard some stuff, but nothing really groundbreaking about them.

When I look at one I just see a business that produces a good or provides a service in exchange for a profit. Just like any other business. So why are corporation's so 'evil' as they say?

I mean I suppose if your pretty wealth like that, you could be able to 'persuade' your local congressman or senator to vote in your favor. Or might be able to 'persuade' a judge to rule in your favor. Or other stuff along those lines.

But that's not limited to corporate peoples. There are churches with that kind of money, like the Catholic Church, the Scientology Church too, hell it even has its own auditing services. There are many other non corporate organizations with that kind of money. So how come they never come under fire ? Why is it only corporations ? I don't get it.
Posted 6/25/10 , edited 6/25/10
Corporations:

-control and filter what we are allowed to hear
-condition us to take a particular narrow-sided world view
-socially engineer the public what to believe, how to think, and what to buy
-have the lobbying ability to have policies enacted in their favor to be more powerful
-take properties around the globe using military means
-get immunity from governments when disaster strikes to take no responsibility
-control the means of industry, banking, and commerce
-monopolize all the important land, resources, and labor forces

They are a primary reason why so many U.S. states have secessionist movements. America has turned into a nation full of spineless politicians in the federal government who are only friends of the banks and corporations. Corporations have technically become the government. In fact, I hope states like Vermont and Texas make a statement and break from the union. And rich churches don't get under fire? Since when?
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jandarujora wrote:

Corporations:

-control and filter what we are allowed to hear
-condition us to take a particular narrow-sided world view
-socially engineer the public what to believe, how to think, and what to buy
-have the lobbying ability to have policies enacted in their favor to be more powerful
-take properties around the globe using military means
-get immunity from governments when disaster strikes to take no responsibility
-control the means of industry, banking, and commerce
-monopolize all the important land, resources, and labor forces

And rich churches don't get under fire? Since when?



I've never once heard anyone flame a rich church.

And how do they control and filter media ? They obviously don't do a very good job of it since all you have to do is turn on the news and you'll hear someone flaming them for something or another. Articles and websites all over the internet that do it too.

And they haven't done a very good job of conditioning people on what to believe either, cause the majority of the people I know, are always flaming them for something.

Take properties around the world using military means ? You talking about about a Private Military Company ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_military_company

Corporation can lose lawsuits.

The government owns most of the land in the country actually. And most of the resources as well. So if you want to blame anyone for hoarding land and resources its the government.

The government does most of that stuff as well. So why doesn't anyone flame the government.
Posted 6/25/10
Never heard anyone flame a rich church? Ever heard of Anonymous against the Church of Scientology?

Corporations own the media. They provide the issues and arguments while keeping certain news out of public view. Flaming each other is exactly what they aim for, keeping the public fighting amongst another while they run off with all the money.

They roam around the world taking properties and making deals. What do you think some of these military bases around the world and wars are for? It's to protect and secure the property they've taken.

Well of course I'd put blame the government because its the government who made the policies to give the land and resources under the control and jurisdiction of the corporations. In turn the corporations now have the government and courts in their back pockets. It's a sick cycle.

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jandarujora wrote:

Never heard anyone flame a rich church? Ever heard of Anonymous against the Church of Scientology?

Corporations own the media. They provide the issues and arguments while keeping certain news out of public view. Flaming each other is exactly what they aim for, keeping the public fighting amongst another while they run off with all the money.

They roam around the world taking properties and making deals. What do you think some of these military bases around the world and wars are for? It's to protect and secure the property they've taken.

Well of course I'd put blame the government because its the government who made the policies to give the land and resources under the control and jurisdiction of the corporations. In turn the corporations now have the government and courts in their back pockets. It's a sick cycle.



Nope never heard of Anonymous.

The government hides more stuff from the public than companies like CNN or FOX do.

Like what ?

And if it wasn't for corporation who would mass manufacture consumer goods ? Your house / apt was built from products manufactured by at least 10+ corporations you know, if it wasn't for corporations you wouldn't have a house / apt. Or a computer or internet access either.
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The 2x4 studs that make up the frame of the building - One corporation.
The Sheetrock - Another corporation.
The copper wire in the walls that provides the outlets with electricity - a third corporation.
The outlets that you plug your stuff into - yet another one.

ect.

So if not for those corporations the place you call home wouldn't exist.
Posted 6/26/10
I'd hardly call the companies that prop up housing as "corporations". The housing corporations which actually own the homes we live in are under the control of federal member banks throughout the country, which are corporations themselves. The housing market collapse was caused by their control of interest rates to counter deficits that they helped create, which left many Americans (including the businesses which provide the housing material) with foreclosures and bankruptcies.
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jandarujora wrote:

I'd hardly call the companies that prop up housing as "corporations". The housing corporations which actually own the homes we live in are under the control of federal member banks throughout the country, which are corporations themselves. The housing market collapse was caused by their control of interest rates to counter deficits that they helped create, which left many Americans (including the businesses which provide the housing material) with foreclosures and bankruptcies.


The housing market collapse was caused by the government forcing the banks to give home loans to people who had no chance of being able to pay them back. Since tons of people now had houses they couldn't hope to afford, they went into foreclosure, which collapsed the housing market. And the deficit was caused by the government spending money they didn't have. Like Obama is doing now.

So both problems were caused by the government being incompetent.
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jandarujora wrote:

I'd hardly call the companies that prop up housing as "corporations". The housing corporations which actually own the homes we live in are under the control of federal member banks throughout the country, which are corporations themselves. The housing market collapse was caused by their control of interest rates to counter deficits that they helped create, which left many Americans (including the businesses which provide the housing material) with foreclosures and bankruptcies.


The housing market collapse was caused by the government forcing the banks to give home loans to people who had no chance of being able to pay them back. Since tons of people now had houses they couldn't hope to afford, they went into foreclosure, which collapsed the housing market. And the deficit was caused by the government spending money they didn't have. Like Obama is doing now.

So both problems were caused by the government being incompetent.

"The housing market collapse was caused by the government forcing the banks to give home loans to people who had no chance of being able to pay them back." - Allhailodin

Really I see, can you provide links to federal documents and proof to back this statement.

Last I check there were plenty of blame for everyone, from the government to the bank to even the very public themselves.
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well for one thing it's a very efficient way to organise people and resources so that when things go well, the owners maximise profits and when things go poorly the owners minimise blame/responsibility or consequence.

Monsanto 'owns' the genetic code to certain special kinds of wheat and other crop seed. Nearly five years ago they won a supreme court rulling that said basically that a farmer whose field got contaminanted with their seed. owed them royalty/license fees/whatever. Let's hope no corporation 'owns' the rights to parts of the human genome.

Enron, World.com, Global Crossing, Adelphia...

Need I say more?
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Allhailodin wrote:

In lieu of starting yet another religion flame thread. I'll touch on yet another touchy subject. Corporations

What's the problem with them. I keep hearing about how evil they are, but I don't get it. Why ?
I've heard some stuff, but nothing really groundbreaking about them.

When I look at one I just see a business that produces a good or provides a service in exchange for a profit. Just like any other business. So why are corporation's so 'evil' as they say?

I mean I suppose if your pretty wealth like that, you could be able to 'persuade' your local congressman or senator to vote in your favor. Or might be able to 'persuade' a judge to rule in your favor. Or other stuff along those lines.

But that's not limited to corporate peoples. There are churches with that kind of money, like the Catholic Church, the Scientology Church too, hell it even has its own auditing services. There are many other non corporate organizations with that kind of money. So how come they never come under fire ? Why is it only corporations ? I don't get it.


Corporation as an entity is not evil. The people who controls it MAY or MAY NOT be evil.

Corporation is just a tool in the business world. It has a lot of perks for businessmen but it has some disadvantages (but still outweighed by it's perks)

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Allhailodin wrote:

In lieu of starting yet another religion flame thread. I'll touch on yet another touchy subject. Corporations

What's the problem with them. I keep hearing about how evil they are, but I don't get it. Why ?
I've heard some stuff, but nothing really groundbreaking about them.

When I look at one I just see a business that produces a good or provides a service in exchange for a profit. Just like any other business. So why are corporation's so 'evil' as they say?

I mean I suppose if your pretty wealth like that, you could be able to 'persuade' your local congressman or senator to vote in your favor. Or might be able to 'persuade' a judge to rule in your favor. Or other stuff along those lines.

But that's not limited to corporate peoples. There are churches with that kind of money, like the Catholic Church, the Scientology Church too, hell it even has its own auditing services. There are many other non corporate organizations with that kind of money. So how come they never come under fire ? Why is it only corporations ? I don't get it.


I think the problem with large corporations is that they are just too powerful, and will exercise that power in whatever way is needed to increase profits. As they are so large, the people at the top are also disconnected from the people who are affected by their decisions, so they don't feel any pangs of conscience when they close a factory that wasn't making enough profit and in the process wreck a community, or use what amounts to slave labour overseas to cut costs.

Then of course they will abuse their power to crush competitors and as you say "persuade" the authorities to ignore abuses.

Not sure why you don't think religious bodies come under fire though. I've heard a lot of criticism of the Catholic church.
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The main thing that makes corporations "evil" is that they have so much control over the U.S government that whenever they do something wrong, they can get politicians to cover their asses and fix their mistakes, and if it's too big to fix then they blame the government for it. They chant "less government, less taxes" and uphold this illusion of a free market while taking government handouts (our tax money) and controlling judges and legislators to make sure they uphold policies that maximize their profits, despite whatever harm it may to do other people (hence the BP oil spill). On top of that, media corporations use news stations like Fox and MSNBC to keep the average citizens in the dark by feeding them propaganda, which has lead to this whole left-wing vs right-wing division that is hindering progress in our country. They make sure that people stay ignorant of what's going on so that they can keep using the government and our tax money to maximize profits, and also so that certain politicians can keep making money off of them in exchange for fixing their mistakes.

I hate to sound like a nutjob conspiracy theorist, but any independent news sources that don't play into the Republicans vs. Democrats game will tell you all of this, because they don't risk losing their jobs by telling you the truth, unlike reporters in mainstream media.
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The main thing that makes corporations "evil" is that they have so much control over the U.S government that whenever they do something wrong, they can get politicians to cover their asses and fix their mistakes, and if it's too big to fix then they blame the government for it. They chant "less government, less taxes" and uphold this illusion of a free market while taking government handouts (our tax money) and controlling judges and legislators to make sure they uphold policies that maximize their profits, despite whatever harm it may to do other people (hence the BP oil spill). On top of that, media corporations use news stations like Fox and MSNBC to keep the average citizens in the dark by feeding them propaganda, which has lead to this whole left-wing vs right-wing division that is hindering progress in our country. They make sure that people stay ignorant of what's going on so that they can keep using the government and our tax money to maximize profits, and also so that certain politicians can keep making money off of them in exchange for fixing their mistakes.

I hate to sound like a nutjob conspiracy theorist, but any independent news sources that don't play into the Republicans vs. Democrats game will tell you all of this, because they don't risk losing their jobs by telling you the truth, unlike reporters in mainstream media.


well, that's life. he who has the money makes the rules.
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maffoo wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:

In lieu of starting yet another religion flame thread. I'll touch on yet another touchy subject. Corporations

What's the problem with them. I keep hearing about how evil they are, but I don't get it. Why ?
I've heard some stuff, but nothing really groundbreaking about them.

When I look at one I just see a business that produces a good or provides a service in exchange for a profit. Just like any other business. So why are corporation's so 'evil' as they say?

I mean I suppose if your pretty wealth like that, you could be able to 'persuade' your local congressman or senator to vote in your favor. Or might be able to 'persuade' a judge to rule in your favor. Or other stuff along those lines.

But that's not limited to corporate peoples. There are churches with that kind of money, like the Catholic Church, the Scientology Church too, hell it even has its own auditing services. There are many other non corporate organizations with that kind of money. So how come they never come under fire ? Why is it only corporations ? I don't get it.


I think the problem with large corporations is that they are just too powerful, and will exercise that power in whatever way is needed to increase profits. As they are so large, the people at the top are also disconnected from the people who are affected by their decisions, so they don't feel any pangs of conscience when they close a factory that wasn't making enough profit and in the process wreck a community, or use what amounts to slave labour overseas to cut costs.

Then of course they will abuse their power to crush competitors and as you say "persuade" the authorities to ignore abuses.

Not sure why you don't think religious bodies come under fire though. I've heard a lot of criticism of the Catholic church.


that is why they call it business.
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well, that's life. he who has the money makes the rules.


That's no surprise, but the problem here is that few people know that corporations are the ones who are running the U.S and not the federal government. They manipulate the public into fighting amongst each other and blaming the government for everything so that they can keep making more money. So the situation is more difficult to change because so few people know who is actually causing the problem, and the ones who do know have a hard time spreading the message because the masses have been brainwashed into only listening to people who blindly agree with them no matter how true or false it may be, rather than listening to reason. It's a sick game that is all motivated by greed.
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