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Posted 6/27/10 , edited 6/27/10

Allhailodin wrote:


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And what's the possibility of that ever happens to me? When I'm actually more of a threat to the average people because of who I am as myself.

Furthermore, just what constitutes as an actual threat to one's quality of life? When the big corporations and their radical capitalists had been applying the "shock doctrine" in order for them to maximize their own profit.


Not to the quality of your like, to the existance of your life, if someone is going to kill you. That gives you the right to act in self defence.
Why? For what? And how? In other words don't just argue for the sake of argument, show me sufficient and irrefutable proofs.

Because when you don't have real proof of an actual threat, you're just begging for a third "Iraq War" due to insufficient justification.
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Posted 6/27/10

DomFortress wrote:

Why? For what? And how? In other words don't just argue for the sake of argument, show me sufficient and irrefutable proofs.


So if someone has a gun pointed at your face and is robbing you, your just going to let them kill you ? No questions asked ? Not even going to resist ?
Posted 6/27/10

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DomFortress wrote:

Why? For what? And how? In other words don't just argue for the sake of argument, show me sufficient and irrefutable proofs.


So if someone has a gun pointed at your face and is robbing you, your just going to let them kill you ? No questions asked ? Not even going to resist ?
I don't do hypothetical debate, when the reality is I just don't have what the robbers can't have on their own.

So stop going off-topic, and answer to my claims on big corporations and their radical capitalists.
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Posted 6/27/10

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So stop going off-topic, and answer to my claims on big corporations and their radical capitalists.


There's nothing wrong with capitalism. And there's nothing wrong with coprorations simple existing, but there's something wrong with abuses of power.
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Posted 6/27/10 , edited 6/27/10

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The government isn't out of our daily lifes, its pretty much in our daily lives. and taxes are pretty damn high too. And a new tax has been proposed, an increase on capital gains tax from 18% -> 30%, that plain and simple is confiscate of wealth from business owners.

The forefathers believe in small smart government. As do I, America has no small government, there is nothing small or smart about the fedzilla. Or the statezilla's, or even the local governments.


How are taxes too high? You can afford a computer and an internet connection, which leads me to assume that you also have all your basic needs like food and shelter taken care of as well. I don't get how taxes are too high when most people can afford to live in reasonable comfort despite taxes, and there are tons of successful businesses who make good profits despite taxes. I don't think the issue is that they are too high, but that our tax money isn't always spent wisely by the government.

I don't get how they are in our lives either. I can choose whatever school I want to go to, what career I want to pursue, what car I want to buy, what time I can leave my house, what shows I can watch on TV, what websites I can visit, what food I can buy and eat, and billions of other choices I can make without any branch of the government telling me what I can or can't do. I can even choose to leave the country if I want to. I don't know if you have U.S soldiers standing outside your front door to question you and search your possessions every time you leave your house, but I personally don't see much government interference in people's personal lives, except for when it comes to things like drug uses and same-sex marriage. Maybe I'm just naive or sheltered, but I don't get where people get the idea that the U.S government is huge and tyrannical as if Stalin were running the country. Of course our government isn't perfect, but it isn't nearly as bad as any of the truly tyrannical societies that have existed throughout history.


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Money is power.
anyway, corporation has no other option but to maximize profits. It's kind of a normal process because if they will not use their money (they will just bank it and do not expand) government will tax them and taxes are almost 50%. So, if a corporation has a net gain of 100 million and they didn't use it, the government will take almost half of it. Since corporations doesn't want that to happen, the spend the money for new assets and properties to minimize the net gain thus minimizing tax.


I know all of that, but it doesn't justify the fact that they abuse their power by using loopholes in the law to manipulate politicians into creating more loopholes that will allow them to maximize profits at the expense of the taxpayers and their workers. Theres nothing wrong with trying to maximize profits as long as they don't do it through unethical means, like buying politicians.
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How are taxes too high? You can afford a computer and an internet connection, which leads me to assume that you also have all your basic needs like food and shelter taken care of as well. I don't get how taxes are too high when most people can afford to live in reasonable comfort despite taxes, and there are tons of successful businesses who make good profits despite taxes. I don't think the issue is that they are too high, but that our tax money isn't always spent wisely by the government.


I'll uses my neighbor as an example. roughly 50% of his income goes to taxes, That's 1 of every 2 dollars he makes goes to taxes. That's ridiculously high. If you ask me the government abuses their power just as much as corps do, if not more.


I don't get how they are in our lives either. I can choose whatever school I want to go to, what career I want to pursue, what car I want to buy, what time I can leave my house, what shows I can watch on TV, what websites I can visit, what food I can buy and eat, and billions of other choices I can make without any branch of the government telling me what I can or can't do. I can even choose to leave the country if I want to. I don't know if you have U.S soldiers standing outside your front door to question you and search your possessions every time you leave your house, but I personally don't see much government interference in people's personal lives, except for when it comes to things like drug uses and same-sex marriage. Maybe I'm just naive or sheltered, but I don't get where people get the idea that the U.S government is huge and tyrannical as if Stalin were running the country. Of course our government isn't perfect, but it isn't nearly as bad as any of the truly tyrannical societies that have existed throughout history.


The government runs the school tho, and regulates the TV. And now it wants to regulate the internet too. There might not be much government interferance in your life, but im assuming your just an average citizen. I can see the mass amount of government interferance in my neighbors like (he runs a business remember). The government should leave businesses alone to run themselves in peace. I want to run a business myself too, so I don't want the government in every aspect of my business telling me how to and how not to run it. The government doesn't know the meaning of the word efficiency, so i don't want government regulations making my business less efficient and costing me money.
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Posted 6/27/10

Allhailodin wrote:

I'll uses my neighbor as an example. roughly 50% of his income goes to taxes, That's 1 of every 2 dollars he makes goes to taxes. That's ridiculously high. If you ask me the government abuses their power just as much as corps do, if not more.


Well they are working together to put extra money in their pockets, so any abuse by one of them when it comes to fiscal matters is arguably an abuse by both of them. 50% is pretty high though, but if he can still live comfortably off of the other half then that wouldn't bother me if I were in his position.


The government runs the school tho, and regulates the TV. And now it wants to regulate the internet too. There might not be much government interferance in your life, but im assuming your just an average citizen. I can see the mass amount of government interferance in my neighbors like (he runs a business remember). The government should leave businesses alone to run themselves in peace. I want to run a business myself too, so I don't want the government in every aspect of my business telling me how to and how not to run it. The government doesn't know the meaning of the word efficiency, so i don't want government regulations making my business less efficient and costing me money.


There are private schools and plenty of ways to learn outside of school, and plenty of ways to get entertainment and information outside of television (IMO TV is the worst source of entertainment and info, and schools are the worst places to learn). I personally haven't looked into how governments tax and regulate small businesses yet, so I have no opinion on that.
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Well they are working together to put extra money in their pockets, so any abuse by one of them when it comes to fiscal matters is arguably an abuse by both of them. 50% is pretty high though, but if he can still live comfortably off of the other half then that wouldn't bother me if I were in his position.


50% is really high espically when there's no work for you and your not making much monie.
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You know I don't think we're discussing the OP anymore.
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Posted 6/27/10

Allhailodin wrote:


Cuddlebuns wrote:

Well they are working together to put extra money in their pockets, so any abuse by one of them when it comes to fiscal matters is arguably an abuse by both of them. 50% is pretty high though, but if he can still live comfortably off of the other half then that wouldn't bother me if I were in his position.


50% is really high espically when there's no work for you and your not making much monie.


50% is high, where does your friend live? How much does he earn? Have he taken a look at his tax bracket to see whether there have been any discrepancies? What other extra stuff is he being tax on? Have he apply for tax deductibles or tax-exemption.

I remember UK recently proposed a tax rate of 50% for those earning over £150,000.
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50% is high, where does your friend live? How much does he earn? Have he taken a look at his tax bracket to see whether there have been any discrepancies? What other extra stuff is he being tax on? Have he apply for tax deductibles or tax-exemption.

I remember UK recently proposed a tax rate of 50% for those earning over £150,000.


I dunno how much he earns. Its his business not ours. So I dunno.
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50% is high, where does your friend live? How much does he earn? Have he taken a look at his tax bracket to see whether there have been any discrepancies? What other extra stuff is he being tax on? Have he apply for tax deductibles or tax-exemption.

I remember UK recently proposed a tax rate of 50% for those earning over £150,000.


I dunno how much he earns. Its his business not ours. So I dunno.
That's not "sufficient and irrefutable proofs" at all, when you can't even tell us the details of your example.

OTOH, I've got plenty of real proofs regarding big corporations' and their radical capitalists' "abuse of power" in here, here, here, and here.
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Posted 6/28/10

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That's not "sufficient and irrefutable proofs" at all, when you can't even tell us the details of your example.


What the hell are you talking about ? Proofs of what ? We were talking about how his taxes are ridiculously high, 50% of his income.

And whats wrong with capitalism. Free market capitalism is great for lots of people. If you work hard you can become successful. If you don't work you don't eat. That's great. Motivates people to get off their ass and get a job. Working is good.
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Posted 6/28/10

Allhailodin wrote:


Northboundsnow wrote:

50% is high, where does your friend live? How much does he earn? Have he taken a look at his tax bracket to see whether there have been any discrepancies? What other extra stuff is he being tax on? Have he apply for tax deductibles or tax-exemption.

I remember UK recently proposed a tax rate of 50% for those earning over £150,000.


I dunno how much he earns. Its his business not ours. So I dunno.


Its your friend, right? Whether its his business or not, you can still provide advice. If its your friend and having money woes and being tax unfairly, you should find out or at least consult him on managing his accounts or seeking an accountant or legal assistant.

Ignorance is bliss.
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You know I don't think we're discussing the OP anymore.


Well it stayed on topic for about 3 pages. I think that's a good run for a thread that's not about religion, racism, or sexual orientation.
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