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Posted 6/29/10

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This is like what happened in India. Where you only can get married with the kasta or class you belong to. Brahma kasta can only be married to another in Brahma kasta. I think it's the same purpose, for purity. If someone in certain class married to another class, they will be expelled.

I think in modern society, we should accept people from different groups, either it's races, ethnic, nations, religions, etc. Without having prejudiced from begin with. Although, it's understandably when our grandparents imposed this to us in war time. To protect themselves from betrayal, separation and dispute.
Here's some video how I think we should get over it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBwFqudGac8


well, islam doesn't want to accept a christian guy to date their islam women. What's up with that? ^_^


It's mostly because of the culture and old traditions that affect the laws for permitting muslim men to marry non-muslim women but not for permitting muslim women to marry non-muslim women.

Allowing a Muslim man to marry a Christian or a Jewish woman, is an exceptional rule applied under special circumstances. And when a Muslim man marries a Christian or a Jewish woman, there is no problem, because he believes in all prophets, and all holy books. There will be no problem between him and his wife in this matter, especially that his religion -Islam- commands him to be fair with his wife even if she were Christian or Jewish. And any Muslim man going through such marriage should have strong belief in his faith, and should strongly abide by his religion.

The reason for forbidding a Muslim woman from marrying a non-Muslim, is that a Christian or a Jewish man believes only in his prophet, and doesn’t believe in prophet Muhammad or any of the other prophets. I might not a right person to say it, though.


lol.

I was in the chatroom with other muslims and the interrogated me

1. I should be a virgin because muslim women are virgins and must marry virgin men ( i passed that)
2. I should believe in a one true God. I passed that.
3. They ask me if i am willing to convert, i failed that.

I just learned from them that you guys doesn't allow "love before marriage". I know islams in our country are fond of arranged marriage but i didn't know it was a universal practice by islam
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Posted 6/29/10

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lol.

I was in the chatroom with other muslims and the interrogated me

1. I should be a virgin because muslim women are virgins and must marry virgin men ( i passed that)
2. I should believe in a one true God. I passed that.
3. They ask me if i am willing to convert, i failed that.

I just learned from them that you guys doesn't allow "love before marriage". I know islams in our country are fond of arranged marriage but i didn't know it was a universal practice by islam


If muslims committed sex outside marriage, they just get punished. It's too naive saying non marriage muslims are all virgins, lol. That arranged marriage was based on traditional customs of Saudi Arabia. It's not Islam, since muslims women has rights to say whether they want to marry ones they loved or not. I know, most of practices are not like that since the father forcefully arranged the marriage for money. In my country, there are rarely arranged marriage. If there are, it's not based on faith, but rather to traditions.
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There is no purity in any race. The races are sub-species of the same species of animal. There is no scientific means of measuring purity and really, for the purposes of science, such purity is nonexistent. Culture, too, is arbitrary. There is no genetic purity to preserve and it is stupid to try and preserve culture at all cost. Nearly all people have lost their original culture. You won't really find people who still jump around in a cave pointing at crude images on the wall. Culture is ever-changing and both black, white or any other culture will change, perhaps fuse and ultimately depart from its initial shape. To try to prevent that is to strive for stagnation - it is a manifestation of stupidity.
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Posted 6/30/10

Ryutai-Desk wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:

lol.

I was in the chatroom with other muslims and the interrogated me

1. I should be a virgin because muslim women are virgins and must marry virgin men ( i passed that)
2. I should believe in a one true God. I passed that.
3. They ask me if i am willing to convert, i failed that.

I just learned from them that you guys doesn't allow "love before marriage". I know islams in our country are fond of arranged marriage but i didn't know it was a universal practice by islam


If muslims committed sex outside marriage, they just get punished. It's too naive saying non marriage muslims are all virgins, lol. That arranged marriage was based on traditional customs of Saudi Arabia. It's not Islam, since muslims women has rights to say whether they want to marry ones they loved or not. I know, most of practices are not like that since the father forcefully arranged the marriage for money. In my country, there are rarely arranged marriage. If there are, it's not based on faith, but rather to traditions.


what kind of punishment? (islam is known for corporal punishment so i'm curious how they will punish them)

if that is the case, non virgin islam especially women, what happens to them after honeymoon? i heard stories that the father kills their daughter out of shame.
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what kind of punishment? (islam is known for corporal punishment so i'm curious how they will punish them)

if that is the case, non virgin islam especially women, what happens to them after honeymoon? i heard stories that the father kills their daughter out of shame.


They'll get stroke for committing sex before marriage. If you think it's violence, it's the same punishment that has been continuing in Singapore, too. Umm... if they have sex after marriage, especially honeymoon it's normal, right? Where did you get that info about killing the daughters for marriage? Don't mixed it with Islam, lol.
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Posted 6/30/10

Ryutai-Desk wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:

what kind of punishment? (islam is known for corporal punishment so i'm curious how they will punish them)

if that is the case, non virgin islam especially women, what happens to them after honeymoon? i heard stories that the father kills their daughter out of shame.


They'll get stroke for committing sex before marriage. If you think it's violence, it's the same punishment that has been continuing in Singapore, too. Umm... if they have sex after marriage, especially honeymoon it's normal, right? Where did you get that info about killing the daughters for marriage? Don't mixed it with Islam, lol.


well, my idea of violence is more about fighting.

i was talking about women who were found out not to be virgin before honeymoon. They put a white cloth on the bed. This are practiced by muslims in my country that is why I'm curious where they got that from Quran.

Anyway, Islam is the second biggest religion in the Philippines. In fact, I was born in an Islam province (you know Sulu. right?).
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I had a discussion with a good friend of mine about this topic recently. My friend has often been accused of liking only Asian women. He was particularly offended when one of his drunken buddies mentioned this misconception at a party rather loudly. My friend normally keeps all of his frustrations bottled up, but he decided to get this incident off of his chest. In his words, he likes women with "soft features." Since he perceives that most Asian women have this attribute, he is more likely to be attracted to Asians. My friend and I both agreed that only considering potential mates within one's own race is old fashioned and ridiculous.

I know it sounds sappy, but it's hard enough to find somebody else to share your life with, so why restrict your search?

The world is changing. Why some people can't realize that this change is for the better is beyond me.
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Do you want to screw with your parents heads? Bring home a white male friend tell them and you are in a relationship! Then say tell them it a joke but stay out of our personal life. Now if you are living at home? Just put up with it or if there play for school. At that point it there roof there rules.
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People who force endogamy onto their kids or other family members are ignorant. I myself wouldn't exist if my parents listened to their families and married within their own cultures. The world is changing, and each generation is becoming more and more open-minded and accepting than the previous generations. Eventually, endogamy won't last in any family line. Someone's going to break the rule.
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Posted 7/11/10 , edited 7/11/10

alupihan45 wrote:


Ryutai-Desk wrote:


alupihan45 wrote:

what kind of punishment? (islam is known for corporal punishment so i'm curious how they will punish them)

if that is the case, non virgin islam especially women, what happens to them after honeymoon? i heard stories that the father kills their daughter out of shame.


They'll get stroke for committing sex before marriage. If you think it's violence, it's the same punishment that has been continuing in Singapore, too. Umm... if they have sex after marriage, especially honeymoon it's normal, right? Where did you get that info about killing the daughters for marriage? Don't mixed it with Islam, lol.


well, my idea of violence is more about fighting.

i was talking about women who were found out not to be virgin before honeymoon. They put a white cloth on the bed. This are practiced by muslims in my country that is why I'm curious where they got that from Quran.

Anyway, Islam is the second biggest religion in the Philippines. In fact, I was born in an Islam province (you know Sulu. right?).


Been awhile but this topic is the only one that strays from the norm on this forum.

Well you know there are always people who takes things to the extreme but I mean why chastise a whole religion for what a minority does? It is a grave sin to have sex before marriage in Islam and hell I have done it and I know other muslims who have as well. We are all still alive and breathing and no other muslim came to us trying to kill us in the name of God. Like Ryutai mentioned to a lot of other people when you hear about Priests molesting little boys do you go out and just say this is what every christian man practices? When you see an Israeli drop a bomb on a palestinian childs head does this speak for the masses of Jews? I really dont see how people can form these simple stereotypes without any textual proof. I can call myself any religion but if I have some kind of twisted fetish of just going around randomly murdering innocent people, or having sexual relations with children then I have problem. As it stands no matter what country you go to all these problems presists there is no perfect race or religion where people among any of those groups are all "blessed little angels."

Anyways back on topic I think it has to do a lot of the culture. When your parents raise you they want you to continue to live the cultural lifestyle that they have been bought up from. Maintaining same religion, same race, etc. Also finding those of the same race is easier to become compatible with because you dont have to change or get exposed to a lot of new things you arent use to. By no means am I saying it is wrong to try something different. Hell I do because I have one life to live so I keep my options all the way open.
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Well you know there are always people who takes things to the extreme but I mean why chastise a whole religion for what a minority does? It is a grave sin to have sex before marriage in Islam and hell I have done it and I know other muslims who have as well. We are all still alive and breathing and no other muslim came to us trying to kill us in the name of God. Like Ryutai mentioned to a lot of other people when you hear about Priests molesting little boys do you go out and just say this is what every christian man practices? When you see an Israeli drop a bomb on a palestinian childs head does this speak for the masses of Jews? I really dont see how people can form these simple stereotypes without any textual proof. I can call myself any religion but if I have some kind of twisted fetish of just going around randomly murdering innocent people, or having sexual relations with children then I have problem. As it stands no matter what country you go to all these problems presists there is no perfect race or religion where people among any of those groups are all "blessed little angels."



I'd like to address this statement but don't feel it's appropriate in this thread. Would you mind if I quoted you in an OP or would you rather start a topic yourself and expend on your thesis? or do you care?

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I take that as a "no"
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I have encountered this problem with my mother. She is old and set in her ways, and sadly, a bit racist. But I, of course do not follow this belief. I also find this prevalent in the asian community.
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The Asian community being bigoted (New flash) I met Asian that were excommunicated for marring Chinese to a Japanese and all hell breaks out if the male is black. Here in the USA yes there some begets by the way a RACIST is like KKK, Hitler, Stallion. Were a group of people are in the eyes of another group sub-human. The word racist has lost it meaning do to cheap journalism killing somebody do to race is racists or some vile act. Predigest begot and other words fit that far better than racist. At this point being 16 and I hope college bound you have a long time wait and get married. Take so and easy with the dating and try not to push it in your mother face her house her rules. At 16 being rebellious is normal and it going to seem like forever to get through it. Your values will change and taste in girls may change as well.
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