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Posted 7/4/10
It's called 'loose' animation, the artists take out some lines and details to allow them to draw fast paced fight scenes like this one and the Naruto v Sauske(2) fight. This same reason is why it seems out of place for the series, I also think the Kakashi+Shikamaru/Hidan+Kukuza fight was done with almost the same kind of animation. Not bashing it, not loving it, just stating what I know with a half-asleep post.
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liquidsteel_123 wrote:

I also saw this kind of crappy animation in naruto vs. sasuke. episode 133 of naruto.




Crappy like Naruto vs Sasuke?!?!? So you guys actually want the poor quality stuff where it looks like someone is dragging an animated gif across the screen? All of the good fights in Naruto look like this with the exception of Orochimaru vs Kyuubi, which only got by without it because there's nothing in it with high motion and tons of panning while moving.
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liquidsteel_123 wrote:

I also saw this kind of crappy animation in naruto vs. sasuke. episode 133 of naruto.




Crappy like Naruto vs Sasuke?!?!? So you guys actually want the poor quality stuff where it looks like someone is dragging an animated gif across the screen? All of the good fights in Naruto look like this with the exception of Orochimaru vs Kyuubi, which only got by without it because there's nothing in it with high motion and tons of panning while moving.


I didn't like THAT EFFIN POOR QUALITY ANIMATION THAT ONLY TOOK THEM 3 DAYS TO DRAW WITHOUT FREAKIN EFFORT... What DA EFF IS GOING ON WITH THE PRODUCTION STAFF THEY BETTER DROP NARUTO IF IT GOES ON LIKE THIS.... IT"S EVEN SOMETHING I CAN DRAW BETTER...
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Someone shouldn't have let that intern done the animation imo.


Bet everyone at the team is like "OMG YOU DID WHAT??" and the intern kid is all "Well you left for vacation and I could barely finish".
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Posted 7/5/10

liquidsteel_123 wrote:


sickVisionz wrote:


liquidsteel_123 wrote:

I also saw this kind of crappy animation in naruto vs. sasuke. episode 133 of naruto.




Crappy like Naruto vs Sasuke?!?!? So you guys actually want the poor quality stuff where it looks like someone is dragging an animated gif across the screen? All of the good fights in Naruto look like this with the exception of Orochimaru vs Kyuubi, which only got by without it because there's nothing in it with high motion and tons of panning while moving.


I didn't like THAT EFFIN POOR QUALITY ANIMATION THAT ONLY TOOK THEM 3 DAYS TO DRAW WITHOUT FREAKIN EFFORT... What DA EFF IS GOING ON WITH THE PRODUCTION STAFF THEY BETTER DROP NARUTO IF IT GOES ON LIKE THIS.... IT"S EVEN SOMETHING I CAN DRAW BETTER...


LOLZ ! Pwedeng pwede !

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Guys its simply an older style of animation they used over there look at references to that style like in Kill Bill. I do agree though that it is not the style that should be used with Naruto, or if it is they need to take a bit more time and do it better. The Naruto Sauske battle didnt have the messed up images that this fight did neither did the Sauske vs Orochimaru fight. Naruto started off in a certain kind of animation style and needs to show continuity in that respect. Please keep up what has been working since the begining. IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT!!!!
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^ Outside of that one Pain face, everything in this fight is graphically in line with what they've shown before. All of the nice fights have the super fluid look of this one except this one was exceptionally more fluid than the others. I'm not sure why you guys equate high fluidity as bad animation; that doesn't make any sense considering the definition of animation.
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Never said high fluidity was bad. I just said that it isnt the style that should be used with the show because that isnt what they started with. That style may have its place and time, but because ive watched Naruto from the begining im used to a certain style and think they should maintain it. This fight didnt need the super pans and some of the moves that were involved in it. Therefore this style of animation wasnt needed and they should have been able to put more quality into the work then using a fast hand to push it out to air in time. Like I orignally said Naruto has been successful from the begining so why change a successful formula by changing the style of animation?
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She was just saying that they shiuld just continue with the original art design cuz its what they've started...

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Never said high fluidity was bad. I just said that it isnt the style that should be used with the show because that isnt what they started with. That style may have its place and time, but because ive watched Naruto from the begining im used to a certain style and think they should maintain it. This fight didnt need the super pans and some of the moves that were involved in it. Therefore this style of animation wasnt needed and they should have been able to put more quality into the work then using a fast hand to push it out to air in time. Like I orignally said Naruto has been successful from the begining so why change a successful formula by changing the style of animation?


The art design is the same though! There was 1 two second clip that looked different than what they usually draw. That's two seconds out of a 25 minute episode. Everything else falls in line with how EVERY well animated Naruto fight looks. You've got CR, go back and watch episode 30 (http://www.crunchyroll.com/media-520340/naruto-30/). They've been doing this type of animation since the very beginning of the series! It isn't something brand new that they just started with this episode. This is Naruto's style when they do well animated fights. Here are some examples of it from the very first well animated fight in the series.

Silly faces:


Emphasis on fluid animation over detail:


Things look simple or goofy to show speed:


I still don't understand the logic behind saying that's it's super fluid, therefore it was rushed. LOL, it's the opposite. Animation that isn't super fluid with tons of frames is the stuff that's rushed (if anything is rushed). The stuff where people have to animate camera pans with high movement is what actually takes time and talent to do, and this episode was filled with all of that and it was some of the best, if not the best, examples of it that have ever been in the series.

This fight didnt need the super pans
For real? These ruined the scenes for you or felt totally out of place?



And just in case you think Naruto has never had camera pans during a fight before, check out this scene from episode 30 (happens around the 6:00 mark):


None of the stuff people are complaining about is stuff that hasn't been in Naruto fights from the very beginning. I think people who have actually seen Naruto from the beginning rather than just saying that they have know that this is how the show works. They do it for all of the high profile fights in the series because it looks way more fluid than that normal animation, which makes fights look pretty lackluster. The only ones that don't look like this and don't look crappy are fights where people are pretty much standing still (usually genjutsu battles).
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My problem with this episode isn't even the crappy animation, but the simply unrealistic fight.
This scene:


Even if we said, Deva-Pain is just a puppet, a dead body controlled per wireless link, it would make no sense, cuz after this scene his head would have been smashed to bits. Even the scene before, where he was hammered into the ground would have destroyed his skull and then they say, this body is killed by a stupid Rasengan??? What logic is this?!? Naruto always followed physical logic and rules adding the chakra-factor, who aids a bit, but even the best chakra control couldn't stop such a damn rock to crush Pains head, as long as he doesn't use sage chakra.

If you want to watch a "good" version of this fight, watch this, even though it's fanmade. At least it's better than the original (the end could be batter but yeah):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN6eqxEyuio&feature=related
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YashaNoSinobu wrote:

My problem with this episode isn't even the crappy animation, but the simply unrealistic fight.
This scene:


Even if we said, Deva-Pain is just a puppet, a dead body controlled per wireless link, it would make no sense, cuz after this scene his head would have been smashed to bits. Even the scene before, where he was hammered into the ground would have destroyed his skull and then they say, this body is killed by a stupid Rasengan??? What logic is this?!? Naruto always followed physical logic and rules adding the chakra-factor, who aids a bit, but even the best chakra control couldn't stop such a damn rock to crush Pains head, as long as he doesn't use sage chakra.

If you want to watch a "good" version of this fight, watch this, even though it's fanmade. At least it's better than the original (the end could be batter but yeah):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN6eqxEyuio&feature=related


The guy who made this fanmade video is a waste of time
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if they use the style of art at naruto manga it will turn to amazing ep 167 but still I LIKE THE EP 167 its exciting I Hate talking moment I like fighting moment .

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to me the animation seemed to reflect the power and speed of these two and their ability's but on the other hand it does look crap
Posted 7/9/10
yeah, me too. pein looks so ugly there DX like my lil bro hand made drawing TT^^TT but still naruto is da best xDD hahha hope next eps didnt like dis cuz theres minato O.O
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I think the animators just had fun with this one. They didn't really have any source material to properly animate the fight, so they just made it their own (with mixed results). I have to admit it got truly ridiculous at times (Naruto hammering Pain into the ground like a nail ), but it was fun and during the non-Looney Tunes moments, really quite epic. Next week, we'll be back to our regularly scheduled Naruto. For now, let's enjoy this.
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YashaNoSinobu wrote:

My problem with this episode isn't even the crappy animation, but the simply unrealistic fight.
This scene:


Even if we said, Deva-Pain is just a puppet, a dead body controlled per wireless link, it would make no sense, cuz after this scene his head would have been smashed to bits. Even the scene before, where he was hammered into the ground would have destroyed his skull and then they say, this body is killed by a stupid Rasengan??? What logic is this?!? Naruto always followed physical logic and rules adding the chakra-factor, who aids a bit, but even the best chakra control couldn't stop such a damn rock to crush Pains head, as long as he doesn't use sage chakra.

If you want to watch a "good" version of this fight, watch this, even though it's fanmade. At least it's better than the original (the end could be batter but yeah):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN6eqxEyuio&feature=related


I have to agree with you on the unrealistic fight, it doesn't make much sense that his head gets crushed like that and the body can still function, but the way I see it, if it's in the anime but not in the manga, then it's non-canon. So if the animators decide to go crazy with some of the fights it's whatever, they like to add more stuff to them to make them more exciting and to lengthen the fight. I actually liked most of the animation throughout this episode, there were just some parts that were a little over the top. I have to admit seeing Pain making those funny faces was just hilarious, especially when he was like "my pain is greater than yours!!!"
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i thought the old school animation and fist of the northstar music were classic displays of the intensity of the battle. It takes great skill to show that kind of devastation and ferocity through animation.

I'd like to see some of the people who complained about the animation actually draw one of those frames themselves.

ungrateful idiots.
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