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Summer Simulcasts - Occult Academy & Tono to Issho
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Vandrian wrote: I'm really pretty sure this has little to do with CR, and a lot to do with the network and studios. They can cram 30 or 40 people in a room to produce an anime which is a tedious and time consuming endeavor, but then not sub it?!

It has more to do with the fact that CR has competition now. As far as anime goes:

Viz nabbed Nurarihyon.
ADV/Sentai nabbed Highschool of the Dead.
Funimation nabbed Shiki, Kuroshitsuji 2, Densetsu no Yuusha no Densetsu, Sekirei 2, and Sengoku Basara 2.

Personally, I think all three companies have shit streaming platforms and would love if CR got everything for themselves. But it's looking like CR is going to be increasingly unable to compete. Dedicated media companies that are also going to release DVDs can offer minimum guarantees CR can't, which means CR is probably last in line for licenses.

And since so many CR users just watch for free (let's face it, ad revenue alone cannot sustain legal streaming) and don't pay the tiny, reasonable sum CR asks for accounts, CR's ability to woo publishers is further diminished.

As much as I loathe Funimation and will not touch anything they do, I really don't think CR is going to be able to continue to compete with them. The only thing CR has going for them at this point is their luck in nabbing streaming rights for long-running shows like Bleach and Naruto.

So what is left for CR to grab, whether already-aired or not? In order of air date, only counting regular anime series most people would care about:
Ookami-san to Shichinin no Nakamatachi
Amagami SS
Shukufuku no Campanella
Mitsudomoe
Seitokai Yakuindomo
Strike Witches 2
Asobi ni Iku yo!

I fear Strike Witches 2 will go to Funimation as well. They already have the season one DVD license, and a close relationship with Gonzo. And ADV could easily announce more shows for The Anime Network online to further eat at the options.

CR really needs to step up their game. Unless they announce at least three more, they just aren't going to cut it going against Funi's line-up.
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occult academy for the win
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yeah Cr is definitely the best at streaming out of all the other sites.
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Tono to Issho = Gintama spin off


Is it? That means it's worth watching later. :3
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cool i can't wait to see them !!
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WITHOUT POLAND... W-T-F


Vandrian wrote:

I'm really pretty sure this has little to do with CR, and a lot to do with the network and studios



Of course - it's so obvious that it isn't even worth mentioning... Still, STILL, they treat us as if we did not exist.


Without being in the room when they are negotiating, there is no way to know that. For all we know, they might be saying, "but you have to start looking at the EU as a single streaming market" constantly to the point of being annoying, but just have not been making headway ... yet.



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I think [...] CR probably can't say what they really think about it sometimes.



Don't be so naïve, buddy. I bet they just don' wanna "waste money" on countries that, in their opinion, will not raise the company's revenues.


But of course, Crunchyroll wants to stream into as many countries as possible, because that's where their long term advantage is going to be compared to Funimation and VizMedia. They announced at AX that they are making progress in getting permission to get user-created subtitles permitted for some regions.

Changing decades-old business practices is not going to happen overnight, but Crunchy has made more progress in the last two years than anyone else in getting streams available outside of North America.
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High school of the dead should really be added to this list...
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royallion wrote: High school of the dead should really be added to this list...

The Anime Network (ADV) already has it. I doubt ADV wants to share streaming unless they have to. Everyone wants exclusivity. Daimaou should probably be seen as an exception rather than the norm.
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fghh778 wrote: As much as I loathe Funimation and will not touch anything they do, I really don't think CR is going to be able to continue to compete with them. The only thing CR has going for them at this point is their luck in nabbing streaming rights for long-running shows like Bleach and Naruto.


Don't discount those - looking at Alexa, Crunchy's traffic rank is higher over 7days than one month, and higher over one month than three months, so the traffic trend is heading up again, since Bleach came to the site.

Also don't discount the impact of broader international reach than Funimation or VizMedia can get from their streams which are heavily biased to US-only Hulu streams. A lot is riding on the trials of user-translated subtitles in international regions ... if the Japanese rights owners see those as successful, Crunchy will be able to leverage that into a position in the European market that Funimation and VizMedia can't match.

And this season we see the first glimmer of hope for Southeast Asia, with a stream into Singapore of a series in addition to the streams that go almost everywhere.


So what is left for CR to grab, whether already-aired or not? In order of air date, only counting regular anime series most people would care about:
Ookami-san to Shichinin no Nakamatachi
Amagami SS
Shukufuku no Campanella
Mitsudomoe
Seitokai Yakuindomo
Strike Witches 2
Asobi ni Iku yo!

I fear Strike Witches 2 will go to Funimation as well. They already have the season one DVD license, and a close relationship with Gonzo. And ADV could easily announce more shows for The Anime Network online to further eat at the options.

CR really needs to step up their game. Unless they announce at least three more, they just aren't going to cut it going against Funi's line-up.


Crunchyroll needs to stick to its knitting. One more series would maintain the same number of simulcasts, two or three more would growth the lineup, and all of that would be good, but ringing alarm bells because Funimation has six or seven simulcasts total, with heavy region restrictions and TAN and Viz have one apiece, that would be a mistake.
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royallion wrote: High school of the dead should really be added to this list...

The Anime Network (ADV) already has it. I doubt ADV wants to share streaming unless they have to. Everyone wants exclusivity. Daimaou should probably be seen as an exception rather than the norm.


They already announced that its "only" at TAN.
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Dont be so glum. adapt and overcome the situation. use your powers of the internet! you CAN watch every anime on this site. wither or not you live in a certain country :P

Adapt and overcome!!! i say!


EDIT: OMG, im missing my quote!!!! where that go!!
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Vandrian wrote: I'm really pretty sure this has little to do with CR, and a lot to do with the network and studios. They can cram 30 or 40 people in a room to produce an anime which is a tedious and time consuming endeavor, but then not sub it?!

It has more to do with the fact that CR has competition now. As far as anime goes:

Viz nabbed Nurarihyon.
ADV/Sentai nabbed Highschool of the Dead.
Funimation nabbed Shiki, Kuroshitsuji 2, Densetsu no Yuusha no Densetsu, Sekirei 2, and Sengoku Basara 2.

Personally, I think all three companies have shit streaming platforms and would love if CR got everything for themselves. But it's looking like CR is going to be increasingly unable to compete. Dedicated media companies that are also going to release DVDs can offer minimum guarantees CR can't, which means CR is probably last in line for licenses.



Quarkboy(one of the TLers for CR, also works with FUNi) already said that the "Big Boys" always get first dibs on anime licenses and then CR gets a chance. It's only now that the R1 companies are taking simulcasting seriously. I hope CR can continue to compete, as I do like the format of this site and organization of the vids better here at CR then for FUNi or Viz, and Anime Network has a really shitty player and they use horrible looking yellow subs. With FUNi and Viz we don't even know when or where they are going to have the vids(unless I missed something). I'm guessing FUNi on their video site or Hulu, but when? We don't know since they don't always release on the day that the show is aired (see FMA: B), and Viz is all over the place and there site doesn't even have a press release announce that they licensed anything.
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agila61 wrote: Don't discount those - looking at Alexa, Crunchy's traffic rank is higher over 7days than one month, and higher over one month than three months, so the traffic trend is heading up again, since Bleach came to the site.

I don't discount those. I said they're what's keeping Crunchyroll alive. But they only cater to a certain audience (one less likely to pay for premium accounts on average), and don't grow CR as a platform for a variety of anime. I don't have any interest in a CR = Shounen Jump equation and hope it never comes anywhere near that.


Also don't discount the impact of broader international reach than Funimation or VizMedia can get from their streams which are heavily biased to US-only Hulu streams. A lot is riding on the trials of user-translated subtitles in international regions ... if the Japanese rights owners see those as successful, Crunchy will be able to leverage that into a position in the European market that Funimation and VizMedia can't match.

However, we've seen little to no evidence that Japanese publishers are willing to give the same show to multiple platforms for multiple global audiences. If Funimation locks up the lion's share of desirable series for North American distro, that just means everyone else is SOL. Funi is big on exclusivity and would love to see CR die off, even if that means cutting off the rest of the world from legal simulcasts. Funi couldn't care less about people living outside R1.


Crunchyroll needs to stick to its knitting. One more series would maintain the same number of simulcasts, two or three more would growth the lineup, and all of that would be good, but ringing alarm bells because Funimation has six or seven simulcasts total, with heavy region restrictions and TAN and Viz have one apiece, that would be a mistake.

Crunchyroll just maintaining a status quo is not anything to cheer. That's just taking the lowered expectations they've given everyone in 2010 and solidifying it as the norm. Look at where they were in Fall '09; then look at how disappointing Spring '10 was for so many people, even putting aside CR's irresponsible - and ultimately untrue - boasts this year about how they'd get such and such a percentage (over 50% - they weren't even close) of airing anime.

Crunchyroll's performance in 2010 has left a lot of people feeling CR is on the way out. So no, the status quo won't cut it. They need to grow, and not just a little but a lot. And with Funimation's near monopoly over legal English language anime putting them in a better and better position every day to run CR out, they're going to do it if given half a chance.
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once gain without germany.


and Austria *cries*
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It's nice to see how last year I could watch 7 (or maybe more at least 7 were interesting for me) "simulcasts" and this year only 4 which btw all where running last year already or are new seasons of last years shows - I fell kinda ripped off or do I have to set up VPN and/or proxy server just to watch something interesting on this site -.-
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