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Summer Simulcasts - Occult Academy & Tono to Issho
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agila61 wrote: The problem with describing them as "what's keeping Crunchyroll alive" is that its sounds as if CR is on life support.

That's the direction it's moving in. CR's offerings have been steadily sliding in both quantity and quality. If it weren't for ongoing shows like Fairy Tail and Yumeiro I would have dropped my sub before Spring.
I wouldn't call the CR offers declining in quantity. It's just that the focus has moved (probably also has been) to long, ongoing series like Bleach. Sure, the amount went down (not by too much overall) in the Spring season, but with 2 titles already, and at least 1 more to come this season, the worst CR can do is stay steady, while growth in the amount of simulcasts is likely.

Quality is subjective, and is pretty much limited to what is released in Japan. By that, I'm not saying there isn't good titles, but rather the titles available from companies CR has relationships with this season, or even last season, aren't all that good.


Simply put, even if the publishers liked the idea, Funi would never allow it. And Funi has a death grip on the largest anime market outside Japan. Funi doesn't have to worry about Madman in Australia or Beez in the UK as competition. Americans aren't going to import those DVDs when the R1s usually come out earlier and cheaper. A simulcast stream on Crunchyroll, however, *is* competition for their Funi player views. Very direct competition.
There is no doubt that FUNI would benefit from having a simulcast on Crunchyroll as well. It's not like it would be free - CR would just give money back to FUNI for that series instead of the original publisher...



Making up an extreme starting point makes it easy to reach extreme conclusions, but there is no reason to believe either that Funi will lock up a large majority of desirable series for North American distribution.

They already do, and they already have. And the share is just going to get larger because they're the only ones in R1 with money right now. ADV/Sentai is the only other company that can license a decent number of series, and they seem to go for what's cheap most of the time. Although I tend to not care about a lot of what Funi licenses, it's unarguable that they've got a stranglehold on the industry.
Sure you can't argue that FUNI gets what they want, but they haven't really been getting all that much recently. Even with their large amount of recent additions, there are plenty of titles available to license that would sell decent amounts. And for their simulcast selection this season, they were all sequels, or noitaminA titles, with the exception of Legend of the Legendary Heroes.



Nor is there any reason to believe that Funi would be unwilling to work with Crunchyroll as a streaming platform for its titles similar to the way that it works with Hulu and YouTube.

Hulu and Youtube are neutral content delivery platforms. Funimation is not competing with them. They are, however, competing with Crunchyroll. They have absolutely no incentive to let Crunchyroll stream anything.
They are competing atm, but if a deal were done they would be partners, not competitors. Sure, Crunchyroll titles will get more views, but if Funimation's titles were on CR, they would also get more views and more revenue (at least under the assumption that CR would give the same amount back as the views on that other platforms do, which I think would be likely).

That being said, there are still reasons FUNI would be unwilling to work with Crunchyroll... Right now, I think the largest reason is that many people still see CR for what they did in the past (of course their idiots, but that doesn't change anything), so it might hurt FUNI's reputation. Other reasons would include lack of control of other features of crunchyroll, and the fact that CR rips are released 5 minutes after they air on CR... Funimation rips take hours to appear elsewhere, sometimes even weeks.


And even if they did, I prefer the style of translation usually found on Crunchyroll titles to how Funi or other R1 licensors translate. If Funi simply used CR as a viewing platform, nobody would be paying to retranslate.
While FUNI's catalog titles have horrible subtitles, their recent simulcasts (House of Five Leaves, Tatami Galaxy, Rainbow) have great quality subtitles.



Yeah, lots of people on the internet have absurdly unrealistic expectations and hyperventilate when reality proceeds at a more realistic pace.

When the expectation is "Crunchyroll should simulcast stuff I give a damn about", that's a pretty realistic and reasonable expectation. If CR thinks otherwise, well, they just better hope Bleach and Naruto never end, eh?
With support from Funimation, CR would simulcast stuff others care about... While both FUNI and CR prosper, the real winner would be the viewers... Right now, CR are doing what works best for long term subscribers, and you really can't blame them if that includes Naruto and Bleach.

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llamaben wrote: There is no doubt that FUNI would benefit from having a simulcast on Crunchyroll as well. It's not like it would be free - CR would just give money back to FUNI for that series instead of the original publisher...

That's... naive, I have to say. It is in Funi's long-term interests to see CR die completely. Streaming licenses are nearly always exclusive, and every show CR gets is one less show Funi gets. It's easy to see why the smaller licensors without a major delivery platform of their own would see the benefit in working with CR (hence Bleach and Naruto, or the occasional Bandai series, albeit not simulcasts) but Funi does not and never will see it that way.


And for their simulcast selection this season, they were all sequels, or noitaminA titles, with the exception of Legend of the Legendary Heroes.

And so what? People don't watch sequels? They got those sequels because they own the DVD rights for the first seasons. That's the kind of monetary investment that will keep Japan prioritizing Funi over CR.


Funimation rips take hours to appear elsewhere, sometimes even weeks.

Hours vs minutes is irrelevant, and it doesn't take weeks unless it's something nobody wants to watch. Hell, if it *did* take weeks, the Japanese would just consider that an incentive to favor Funi. They'd see it as an "anti-piracy" measure (lol).

Your whole approach seems to boil down to hoping for a partnership between the two platforms.

It isn't going to happen.

I don't even want it to happen - the less anime Funi touches, the better. I want CR streaming licenses, handled as CR handles them. And they're just not delivering lately.
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Funimation rips take hours to appear elsewhere, sometimes even weeks.


The only reason Funimation rips takes a little longer is because the video is hardsubbed. Since all groups release softsubs these days they have to OCR the subtitles. That is the only thing that gives the time difference. Both are just as secure, or rather, unsecure.
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But.... but..... we got BLEACH! We were told in doing so, then we would see a BUNCH of new stuff come our way, because it was..... BLEACH!

So we got 2........ uh, huh? That's about how many DRAMAS were announced in the past month too! yaaaaay!

Sarcasm aside......

Yes, other companies now see the viability of online streaming. CR succeeded in this, so the others will follow suit. We knew this would happen, so it's not a surprise. If Viz gets on the bandwagon, which it looks like it is, what's to stop them from running Bleach and Naruto THERE as well? Unless CR managed some exclusivity deal, which I doubt, since Viz is the "Owner" of the license. If those 2 shows move there - well, SHOWNG there, they would still be here, then what?

These are the sort of things the fans think about moreso now, when that renewal date approaches, stick with CR, or move to "big name company" for more content?
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llamaben wrote: There is no doubt that FUNI would benefit from having a simulcast on Crunchyroll as well. It's not like it would be free - CR would just give money back to FUNI for that series instead of the original publisher...

That's... naive, I have to say. It is in Funi's long-term interests to see CR die completely. Streaming licenses are nearly always exclusive, and every show CR gets is one less show Funi gets. It's easy to see why the smaller licensors without a major delivery platform of their own would see the benefit in working with CR (hence Bleach and Naruto, or the occasional Bandai series, albeit not simulcasts) but Funi does not and never will see it that way.
It's pretty much a fact that if Funi wants a license to a show, they WILL get it. If Funi passes on it, CR has an opportunity to get it. Funi only aims for "quality" (or potential quality) titles, rather than flooding the market with everything. There is simply no way Funi would license a series like Tono no Issho.




And for their simulcast selection this season, they were all sequels, or noitaminA titles, with the exception of Legend of the Legendary Heroes.

And so what? People don't watch sequels? They got those sequels because they own the DVD rights for the first seasons. That's the kind of monetary investment that will keep Japan prioritizing Funi over CR.
It's not that people don't watch sequels, but my point was that Funi doesn't lock up a large majority of *new* non-noitaminA simulcasts... It might be changing, but that doesn't change the fact that they'll get it if they want it, so it's not like Crunchyroll is a direct competitor in either acquiring the licenses, or even streaming them as there are different titles on each of the sites...


Funimation rips take hours to appear elsewhere, sometimes even weeks.

Hours vs minutes is irrelevant, and it doesn't take weeks unless it's something nobody wants to watch. Hell, if it *did* take weeks, the Japanese would just consider that an incentive to favor Funi. They'd see it as an "anti-piracy" measure (lol).Actually, it did takes weeks for rips of Rainbow to appear after they were simulcast at the start. And you should probably read what I actually posted... That was one of the reasons I stated for Funi not wanting a partnership with CR....

And hours vs minutes is very relevant for some people. Truthfully, the only reason I'm sticking with CR now is because the streams come out 5 minutes before the torrents for the rips are released. That 5 minutes (+ 10 minute dl time) means a lot to me, especially with titles airing at 1:30am and 2:00am etc.


Your whole approach seems to boil down to hoping for a partnership between the two platforms.

It isn't going to happen.

I don't even want it to happen - the less anime Funi touches, the better. I want CR streaming licenses, handled as CR handles them. And they're just not delivering lately.
Of course it isn't likely unless Funi buys CR out, but even if it won't happen, it is a realistic possibility and should be (but wont be) considered by Funi. And it's not like the partnership would cause less CR streaming licenses... They would still be there, it's just Funi titles would be as well.



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llamaben wrote:
Funimation rips take hours to appear elsewhere, sometimes even weeks.


The only reason Funimation rips takes a little longer is because the video is hardsubbed. Since all groups release softsubs these days they have to OCR the subtitles. That is the only thing that gives the time difference. Both are just as secure, or rather, unsecure.

As I posted above, the matter of minutes means a lot to some people. And really, there is no way to secure them for good. With Highschool of the Dead, Commie proved all the lines can be re-typed and re-timed in just a couple of hours.


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But.... but..... we got BLEACH! We were told in doing so, then we would see a BUNCH of new stuff come our way, because it was..... BLEACH!

So we got 2........

Yes, other companies now see the viability of online streaming. CR succeeded in this, so the others will follow suit. We knew this would happen, so it's not a surprise. If Viz gets on the bandwagon, which it looks like it is, what's to stop them from running Bleach and Naruto THERE as well? Unless CR managed some exclusivity deal, which I doubt, since Viz is the "Owner" of the license. If those 2 shows move there - well, SHOWNG there, they would still be here, then what?

These are the sort of things the fans think about moreso now, when that renewal date approaches, stick with CR, or move to "big name company" for more content?
If you read the first post, it says "look out for more new titles in the upcoming days" or something like that.

And, if you didn't know, Viz already simulcasts (with a 1 week delay) both Naruto and Bleach. Them being on CR is only because of a partnership with CR and Viz.

Obviously they found it worthwhile with Naruto if they also decided to do the same deal with Bleach, so theres no reason why Funi wouldn't benfit by doing the same thing.
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Hmm these 2 looks interesting... hope cr will pick more series!
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once gain without germany.


And ITALY too

Even in Southern and Central Europe we need some new releases.
I would have watched Occult Accademy if I could have to.
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HIGH SCHOOL OF THE DEAD! FTW! xD they should put it on.
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Michana-san!! There's another new anime : High School of The Dead!!! I want to watch it on CR
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HIGH SCHOOL OF THE DEAD! FTW! xD they should put it on.



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Michana-san!! There's another new anime : High School of The Dead!!! I want to watch it on CR


Sentai/Section23 have licensed that, for a later sub/dub release, and TheAnimeNetwork is simulcasting it, and TAN has announced they are the exclusive simulcast.

TAN normally streams the first one for free, the second one to free members and the ones after that to subscribers. Crunchyroll would have to talk to TAN and Sentai about getting rights, but even if they can get some rights, it might be a timecast like Fairy Tale, where it is only on Crunchy for a limited time, and it could well be limited to anime members.

If Sentai has worldwide rights, that could be global outside Japan, but if they only have US&Canada rights, Crunchyroll would have to talk to the original rights owners or other licensing companies (Madman, Manga, Odex, etc.) about streaming it outside of Anglo America.

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no kurotshitsuji 2???
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Occult Academy started strong then the episode ended pretty weak... and strange. I think this is themed more towards girls then guys, just a warning without spoilers.
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no kurotshitsuji 2???

Licensed by Funimation.

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k Cr what were you thinking with tono to issho? its 1 minute long and it was just a segment from the ova. the next simulcast better be better.
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what the fuck, Tono to Issho was not only unbelievably short but crap. Way to troll us.
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