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Summer Simulcasts - Occult Academy & Tono to Issho
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Wow. That was the shortest anime i've ever seen. They should have mentioned that in the announcement. How disappointing.
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looks good :DDDDD
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Thanks for your indepth reply! I should have investigated more before posting...

I still haven't dug into this that deeply (laziness). So Funimation can get US sales on DVD and downloads. Is this what you mean by minimum returns. I can't see that many people buying DVD's especially in the teen market. I am not contesting your knowledge, but feel like I must be missing something.

Crunchyroll growth and Funimation site visits:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2010-05-03/crunchyroll-sees-unprecedented-growth-in-q1-2010

Closest thing I could find about anime DVD sales (not all that great a source):
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-02-20/best-buy-to-change-dvd-strategy

Funimation is showing growth, but is a lot of this being financed from debt (loans from Navarre?). This is just if you already know, I am not expecting you to dig through financials etc.

In summary CR is my anime *home* and it is frustrating to see Funimation getting titles. Totally agree on CR having the best streaming system, also I like the environment here (the ability to read and leave comments all over the place etc.). I just don't know how Funimation is able to garner revenues beyond Crunchyroll based on DVD sales. I guess it does account for something. CR did the Blassreiter pay for view ...guess that didn't work???

Thanks again.
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Well, I honestly don't care who gets the titles, so long as I have legal alternatives for as many of the series I follow as possible.

And of course, I'm very pleased to hear you guys got Occult Academy. I was looking forward to this one, and now I can watch it legally. If possible, try to aim for some of the titles that have not been grabbed yet as well. The more attention we can give to legal alternatives, the better.
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Funimation is showing growth, but is a lot of this being financed from debt (loans from Navarre?). This is just if you already know, I am not expecting you to dig through financials etc.


Funimation is on the market if they get the right buyer offering the right price ( Navarre Evaluates Sale of Funimation in Current Quarter ), and part of that is that:

... If the sale goes through, Navarre plans to present Funimation as a "discontinued operation" — a financial term for a segment of a company that has been separated from the rest of the company, or has been approved for separation — starting in the first quarter of the 2011 fiscal year. The first quarter runs until the end of June. Navarre will discuss its strategy in more detail during its June 4 year-end conference call for the 2010 fiscal year.


Part of preparing to be presented as a "discontinued operation" is that Funimation will have been on its own balance sheets starting sometime in April through to June, so these license acquisitions will have been on Funimations own resources.


In summary CR is my anime *home* and it is frustrating to see Funimation getting titles. Totally agree on CR having the best streaming system, also I like the environment here (the ability to read and leave comments all over the place etc.). I just don't know how Funimation is able to garner revenues beyond Crunchyroll based on DVD sales. I guess it does account for something. CR did the Blassreiter pay for view ...guess that didn't work???


Royalties per DVD sale are far greater than revenue per streaming view - dollars versus pennies - but the flipside is that the overhead cost of a DVD release is far higher than the overhead of a video stream, especially with a hybrid release that has a dub. So while a DVD distributor can "step to the front of the line" by promising a DVD distribution, it can only risk doing that for a few series in any one season.

So Funimation has gone from three simulcasts to seven, TAN from one simulcast shared with Crunchy to one exclusive simulcast, and Viz from two "quickcasts" shared with Crunchy to two "quickcasts" and one simulcast, while Crunchyroll has gone from ten around the start of Spring (which became 13), to twelve at the beginning of Summer (which could still grow to 13 or 14 or ...).

Altogether, of twenty one new series on the season guide doing the rounds, nine have been licensed for streaming, which is more than the six new shows that were licensed for streaming at the start of Spring. As long as a growing fraction of the series broadcast each season become available for streaming, Crunchyroll will be in a position to continue growing its lineup.

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Vandrian wrote:

To the season line up complainers:

Thanks CR. I am sure you guys are working hard to put all the anime on here that you can. This is all guessing and not based on too much, but I do get frustrated about the "complainers" on here. I think a decent case could be made that the anime networks and studios are a lot of the problem. However CR can't come out and say, "Hey we are trying are hardest here its just that these people who we are trying to make these contracts with suck." and then when next season comes out they can't present a new contract when you publicly bad mouthed them about rejecting your last contract offer. I'm really pretty sure this has little to do with CR, and a lot to do with the network and studios. They can cram 30 or 40 people in a room to produce an anime which is a tedious and time consuming endeavor, but then not sub it?! But this is exactly what is happening. If they can't /won't sub it then it isn't much of an extension to say they they are not trying to work with foreign markets such as CR. There are exceptions like Gonzo etc, but I think this is probably what is happening and CR probably can't say what they really think about it sometimes.



while I do see what you're saying, it is still disappointing.of the anime being broadcasted on CR, the only ones not being shown on other easily accessed, safe sites are Tono to Issho and Fairy Tail. yes bleach was an accomplishment, but it wasn't that hard to find new bleach episodes on another site. and occult is on the other site i use as well. [ edited by thefinalword ]. its like with game systems. gaming systems have a lot of appeal with their exclusives. like xbox with fable and halo, nintendo with mario and zelda, and ps3 with god of war. the CR exclusives are just not top par this season and its disappointing.
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Vandrian wrote:
I still haven't dug into this that deeply (laziness). So Funimation can get US sales on DVD and downloads. Is this what you mean by minimum returns. I can't see that many people buying DVD's especially in the teen market. I am not contesting your knowledge, but feel like I must be missing something.

Crunchyroll growth and Funimation site visits:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2010-05-03/crunchyroll-sees-unprecedented-growth-in-q1-2010

Closest thing I could find about anime DVD sales (not all that great a source):
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-02-20/best-buy-to-change-dvd-strategy

Funimation is showing growth, but is a lot of this being financed from debt (loans from Navarre?). This is just if you already know, I am not expecting you to dig through financials etc.

In summary CR is my anime *home* and it is frustrating to see Funimation getting titles. Totally agree on CR having the best streaming system, also I like the environment here (the ability to read and leave comments all over the place etc.). I just don't know how Funimation is able to garner revenues beyond Crunchyroll based on DVD sales. I guess it does account for something. CR did the Blassreiter pay for view ...guess that didn't work???

Thanks again.

One item that must be factored in about Funimation is that their streams are not only available via their own site, but on Hulu as well. Hulu unsurprisingly sees more total traffic that CR (current Alexa traffic rank is 179, vs. 2351 for CR), but there is no way to determine what percentage of users go there for anime.

Aside from DVD sales, Funimation also receives broadcast licensing fees, and revenue from VOD and the Funimation Channel.

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Occult Academy, sounds interesting.
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So is Tono to Issho going to be like that every week? Can something the length of a commercial really be considered a new title acquisition to be excited about just because it is posted shortly after it airs in Japan? I will admit though that I did laugh at the "Yes I can."
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Its not a good way to just show ending to ever show you have to show Begin Middlie and End .It suck to just show the end of all the show your spoiling the end for the people who just got into that show!!!!
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batou01 wrote:

So is Tono to Issho going to be like that every week? Can something the length of a commercial really be considered a new title acquisition to be excited about just because it is posted shortly after it airs in Japan? I will admit though that I did laugh at the "Yes I can."


Yes it will be. No, it can't be. Yes, the announcement of the acquisition should have mentioned that it is a between show gag short.

Scale back what I said about CR starting Spring with ten and Summer with 12 ... it started Spring with 10 and Summer with 11.1.

OTOH, Occult Academy is a good pick up.


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I agree that Occult Academy is a good pickup, the first ep was quite good.....especially the scene when maya

I guess "A new bunch of gags ("gyags" in Japanese) every week" was what was supposed to explain Tono to Issho, but I personally took that as a show full of gags with the way in which it was announced as a new simulcast..... I guess thats what I get for not doing my own research.
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argetlam3 wrote:

while I do see what you're saying, it is still disappointing.of the anime being broadcasted on CR, the only ones not being shown on other easily accessed, safe sites are Tono to Issho and Fairy Tail. yes bleach was an accomplishment, but it wasn't that hard to find new bleach episodes on another site. and occult is on the other site i use as well. animeseason.com. its like with game systems. gaming systems have a lot of appeal with their exclusives. like xbox with fable and halo, nintendo with mario and zelda, and ps3 with god of war. the CR exclusives are just not top par this season and its disappointing.


Yeah, but that url you listed is an illegal streaming/piracy site, unlike CR...so they can stream anything they want regardless of exclusivity.

Occult Academy is exclusive to CrunchyRoll among *legal* sites.
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guess only 1.2 new shows so far is kind of sad compared to past seasons, but yeah, total number of simulcasts has remained the same compared to Summer 2009. i need new things though, as i tend over time to lose interest in older ones eventually. i've dropped all the two-season shows that are carry overs from last season though because either i gave them a fair shake and watched a bunch, but eventually lost interest (Heroman, Uraboku), or they got them too late last season and I didn't even realize they were going to go for two seasons until just now so i didn't think there'd be any point to trying to catch up (Giant Killing, Lilpri). Way back when Yumeiro Patissiere first came out, there was so much other great stuff I was watching that I didn't bother with it. I'm watching older ReBorn episodes, but don't feel the need to watch the latest ones. Don't really need to see the latest Kaasan either.

On the plus side, I did decide to watch new Bleach episodes (though I said I wouldn't, but it's been great) and while I was at it decided to start watch new Naruto episodes (don't know how much longer i can keep that up though). Been watching Fairy Tail faithfully since it came out. Tono to Issho barely counts, but I'll watch it. Add to that the one new show that counts so far, Occult Academy, which is great. So, I guess there's 4 that I'm following now.

You know what this season is really missing? It's ecchi, actually.

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ChadKumada wrote:

... they got them too late last season and I didn't even realize they were going to go for two seasons until just now so i didn't think there'd be any point to trying to catch up (Giant Killing, Lilpri) ....


Giant Killing is a show where if you can watch one episode in a sitting you can easily watch three or four episodes at a sitting. So watch three or four each Sunday arvo, like watching a disk from Netflix, and you'll be caught up before season 2 is half over. Or else watch the first three, and you'll know you don't want to catch up to it anyway.

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