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Extended Discussion should be "extended"
Posted 7/10/10
I created this thread out of the idea of a PM sent to me by a user, added by the lurking I've been doing through ED. Though at first I left it as a spoiler at the bottom of my profile, I decided to let it see the light of day. Hopefully this thread will bring some insight.

We should be able to discuss about a broad range of topics, not just stuck on one such as religion, but even if the topic were to be changed it goes right back around into the same circle, and this is usually caused by the exact same people I see constantly posting in this section. For 3 1/2 years I've been on this website participating in this same forum, and it continues with no fail. I've tried many times to understand the logic behind the continues raging and ranting, but so far there has been none.

So I’d liked to get to the bottom of this ordeal with a few questions:

1. What urges some people to constantly bring up the topic of religion, even when it's not related to the subject?

2. Do you believe a separate forum about religion should be created? If so, why?

Also, a fair warning to stay civil. I shouldn't have to repeat the forum rules, you all know the drill.
Posted 7/10/10
Puttin' it down!

1. Religion is, as we know, sensitive subject material. It can cause the deepest felt hatred in all the world, so people will argue about it.

2. By all means, localize the hate and spamming in one neat category for people to fistf-ck each other over petty issues.

I say let's make the idea happen and segregate certain topics from one another.
Posted 7/10/10
1) I honestly don't know why, especially when it doesn't relate to the topic. Even if religion is considered a touchy topic, starting a flame war on a non-religion thread just means they want to troll to "prove a point" or cope with their boredom.

2) To me, it won't make a difference at all because the same people who troll the religion topics will just follow onto the forum anyway.
....but doesn't hurt to try it out. the E. Discussion is going to be very small once the religion topics are omitted here.
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Posted 7/10/10
1. Most things are directly or indirectly affected by religion. Because religion has affect on things it should not, some people (me my self.) Feel the need to point out the direct and indirect affects it has of the topic at hand.. Showing just how the topic is indeed related.
Usually in a negative light.

2. No.. One is not needed. Debating the topic is the point of this forum in my opinion religion like all things should be looked at in the same fashion, not put above anything else. So It in no way is warranted to its own forum, if anything it can be seen as a attempt to push your way of thinking if you did, because your trying to eliminate the equality of the thread.
Posted 7/10/10
I doubt that a separate forum for religion would deter any religiously based CRivil unrest in this section's threads (that are apparently completely unrelated to 'religion' -- which is most probably a subjective perspective), because as You said yourself, even topics that are purportedly unrelated to it get spammed with this kind of shenanigan. But well, nothing is 100% sure before you don't try it out for real, so maybe if You give it a try, and create such a forum corner, maybe..just maybe..a miracle will happen, and ED will stay free of it. Though, I'd rather see it as a subsection of ED..Well..that's probably just me, but ED should contain various subsections so users can go to the corner of interest they're curious about without having to scan through a forum where there are tons of topics about anything. I mean, I'd consider it a bit extreme to create a subsection just for religion whilst the other many sophisticated topics are all being shoved into the same corner just to die under a pile of non-specific foolish talk.
Posted 7/10/10
A1: 'Cause that's what you'll get from those calling "blind faith" within an "organized religion" as both "truth-seeking" and "personal conviction" respectively.

A2: Unless you don't believe me and my criticism regarding organized religions to be true, then do feel free to create a separate organized religion forum on CR. And then you shall see the interesting human history of religious war, in the form of Internet flaming and trolling.

In other words, be forewarn that a bunch of people from different religious faith aren't gonna be organized and civilized around one another on the same public forum. And the way to avoid that scenario is obviously not creating an open forum about organized religions of different faiths. I mean you just don't see two different religious groups having a religious faith gathering under one roof in real life for obvious reason.
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Posted 7/10/10
Subsections of ED. there's a thought!!
Religion; Government ; Science (-subjects NOT related to religious argument!) ; Sociology (such as cultural or anthropological themes); Current Events ( in the news); etc.
Could these types of distinctions really be viable?
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Posted 7/10/10

farmbird wrote:

Subsections of ED. there's a thought!!
Religion; Government ; Science (-subjects NOT related to religious argument!) ; Sociology (such as cultural or anthropological themes); Current Events ( in the news); etc.
Could these types of distinctions really be viable?


I like this last one! have to head off to work. More in 9 hours.


Posted 7/10/10

farmbird wrote:

Subsections of ED. there's a thought!!
Religion; Government ; Science (-subjects NOT related to religious argument!) ; Sociology (such as cultural or anthropological themes); Current Events ( in the news); etc.
Could these types of distinctions really be viable?
What's university institution.
Posted 7/10/10
Hmm, maybe a separate forum about religion wouldn't be a good idea, since as most of you know, there are a lot of rowdy users here who have a tendency to troll. Now even if this forum were created, there would have to be constant moderation, and since religion is such a touchy subject, chaos will abound.

I can just see the mod reports...not pretty, also I may have singled out somethings, maybe there should be more than one subsection besides religion under Extended Discussion. Maybe that might lessen some of the bickering. Though I'm not certain.
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Posted 7/10/10

DomFortress wrote:

A1: 'Cause that's what you'll get from those calling "blind faith" within an "organized religion" as both "truth-seeking" and "personal conviction" respectively.

A2: Unless you don't believe me and my criticism regarding organized religions to be true, then do feel free to create a separate organized religion forum on CR. And then you shall see the interesting human history of religious war, in the form of Internet flaming and trolling.

In other words,be forewarn that a bunch of people from different religious faith aren't gonna be organized and civilized around one another on the same public forum. And the way to avoid that scenario is obviously not creating an open forum about organized religions of different faiths. I mean you just don't see two different religious groups having a religious faith gathering under one roof in real life for obvious reason.


Please, Dom!!! Not all of us committed to a particular religious viewpoint are so closed minded or ignorant / immature!!!!
There are such words as ecumenical & non-denominational, & they are used to define those endeavoring to unite & / or cooperate in actions & attitudes.
Honestly, you may need to cultivate some more positive views for the encouragement of your fellow humans if you intend to pursue options in counseling.
Sure, not every one plays by the rules of the game, but not all cheat either.
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Posted 7/10/10
1. Religion is the only subject that most people can talk extensively about without having to do some sort of research, because it is something that most people are exposed to constantly throughout their lives. Other subjects like science and politics require a certain level of knowledge to discuss in detail, and most people aren't that interested in them to take time to learn about them so they can participate in those discussions. So religion is a popular topic because a wide range of posters can easily participate in it, while only a few people can participate in discussions about other "extended" topics.

2. I think the subdivisions of the ED section that farmbird mentioned are a good idea. The only potential problem I see is people posting religious threads in the non-religious sections, but I guess that can be avoided if we put the religion section at the top, since people who don't pay attention to where they're posting will usually click on the first forum section they see. I don't think creating a religion section will incite more flame wars than there already are, since most of the threads and flame wars in the ED section are already about religion.
Posted 7/10/10

farmbird wrote:



Please, Dom!!! Not all of us committed to a particular religious viewpoint are so closed minded or ignorant / immature!!!!
There are such words as ecumenical & non-denominational, & they are used to define those endeavoring to unite & / or cooperate in actions & attitudes.

Honestly, you may need to cultivate some more positive views for the encouragement of your fellow humans if you intend to pursue options in counseling.
Sure, not every one plays by the rules of the game, but not all cheat either.
I can see myself revising my own personal conviction regarding organized religions. But only when the self-moderate and open-minded religious individuals are the statistically dominate majority within all organized religions. Until then I'll call all organized religions as how I generally see them as, when it's not an individually held personal conviction. But rather as a collectively organized totalitarianism.
Posted 7/10/10 , edited 7/10/10
Like I said, more subsections will make it look more organised, and help users to orientate themselves better in ED. ( I suggested this ages ago, when I was still active on this board )

Here are a few that could certainly be added:

Science
- Linguistics
- General Science & Technology
- Human Science (psychology, cognition, sociology, anthropology)
- Earth Science (environment, climate, geology)
- Comparative Religion
- Pseudoscience
- Biology & Genetics

Philosophy
- General Philosophy
- Eastern Philosophy
- Religion
- Ethics, Morality & Justice

World
- World Events
- Politics
- History

Life
- Health & Fitness
- Art & Cultures
- Free Thoughts (random ideas, thoughts)


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Posted 7/10/10

ShroomInferno wrote:

Like I said, more subsections will make it look more organised, and help users to orientate themselves better in ED. ( I suggested this ages ago, when I was still active on this board )

Here are a few that could certainly be added:

Science
- Linguistics
- General Science & Technology
- Human Science (psychology, cognition, sociology, anthropology)
- Earth Science (environment, climate, geology)
- Comparative Religion
- Pseudoscience
- Biology & Genetics

Philosophy
- Comprehensive Philosophy
- Eastern Philosophy
- Religion
- Ethics, Morality & Justice

World
- World Events
- Politics
- History

Life
- Health & Fitness
- Art & Cultures






These are wonderfully thought out & well organized. The aim of the ED forum to engage intellectual minds should/could truly benefit from such an outline. Those with broader interests, or those who wish to explore new subject areas would certainly utilize a set up like the one ShroomInferno has thoughtfully written out.
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